Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
10
8%
Labour
46
39%
Liberal Democrat
26
22%
Green
20
17%
SNP
9
8%
Brexit Party
1
1%
UKIP
2
2%
Plaid Cymru
2
2%
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 118
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Grumpy David » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:21 am

Squinty wrote:Is this a good idea? I don't think it is. But I suppose we'll have to wait and see.


Thankfully Keir will not restore the whip for Corbyn:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54986916

Jeremy Corbyn will not return as Labour MP, says Sir Keir Starmer

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Cuttooth » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:23 am

Grumpy David wrote:
Squinty wrote:Is this a good idea? I don't think it is. But I suppose we'll have to wait and see.


Thankfully Keir will not restore the whip for Corbyn:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54986916

Jeremy Corbyn will not return as Labour MP, says Sir Keir Starmer

"For now"

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Grumpy David » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:39 am

Cuttooth wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:
Squinty wrote:Is this a good idea? I don't think it is. But I suppose we'll have to wait and see.


Thankfully Keir will not restore the whip for Corbyn:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54986916

Jeremy Corbyn will not return as Labour MP, says Sir Keir Starmer

"For now"


Keir seems too clever to constantly reopen old wounds by waiting a while to reinstate the whip for Corbyn. Better to just call it a day with this decision and let Corbyn remain in the past rather than constantly popping up every so often causing trouble like Ken Livingston was doing a few years ago.

I can't see how Keir benefits from at some stage in the future letting Corbyn back in?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tomous » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:57 am

captain red dog wrote:
Tomous wrote:Does my nut in how people think deaths is the only number that matters.

People have long term health repercussions from this.

It's the deaths that is the immediate priority. The long term impacts are largely an unknown at this point in terms of how many are affected, how long it lasts etc. I don't think there has been any completed analysis of how it compares to other respiratory illnesses or coronaviruses. That isn't to say its not important, but by focusing on deaths it should ensure more compliance, and stopping the spread to prevent death should also reduce numbers of long Covid.

Top priority has to be on preventing death at the moment. Once we get on top of that, the next stage is helping people through the long term impact, understanding it better and developing treatments.



I think you've missed my point. I'm not at all talking about policy or approach, I'm complaining about people like Toby Cuntface there who compare the death rate to influenza (which they're not even comparing properly anyway!) to minimise the severity of the virus.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Cuttooth » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:39 pm

Grumpy David wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:
Squinty wrote:Is this a good idea? I don't think it is. But I suppose we'll have to wait and see.


Thankfully Keir will not restore the whip for Corbyn:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54986916

Jeremy Corbyn will not return as Labour MP, says Sir Keir Starmer

"For now"


Keir seems too clever to constantly reopen old wounds by waiting a while to reinstate the whip for Corbyn. Better to just call it a day with this decision and let Corbyn remain in the past rather than constantly popping up every so often causing trouble like Ken Livingston was doing a few years ago.

I can't see how Keir benefits from at some stage in the future letting Corbyn back in?

Because creating division within the party pisses off his own core supporters who voted him in as the unity candidate, one who would provide some continuity with socialist policies in the form of his "pledges". The NEC decision was, I believe, unanimous in giving Corbyn the strongest possible sanction short of full expulsion and was made up equally of Corbyn supporters and critics.

There's a danger in pissing off activists who carry out grassroots activities as the centre right of the party won't pick up that slack, and right wing voters aren't going to care enough in 2024 to back Labour over the tried and true right wing choice.

I think he's waiting for Corbyn to go further than his statement yesterday and outright apologise for his comments and issues of antisemitism during his leadership, something Corbyn was able to do twice in 2018 but for whatever reason has refused to do since but should.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Rocsteady » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:25 pm

Poland's descent into full-on fascism continues. Couldn't make it today but girlfriend got gassed by the police and saw others beaten in a lawful protest on women's rights.

Then groups of neo-nazis were waiting in the wings to pick up the stragglers, as they were in the last protest I went to. strawberry floated.

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by Drumstick » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:31 pm

Rocsteady wrote:Poland's descent into full-on fascism continues. Couldn't make it today but girlfriend got gassed by the police and saw others beaten in a lawful protest on women's rights.

Then groups of neo-nazis were waiting in the wings to pick up the stragglers, as they were in the last protest I went to. strawberry floated.

:(

Tempted to get the pair of you out of there?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Dual » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:31 pm

Rocsteady wrote:Poland's descent into full-on fascism continues. Couldn't make it today but girlfriend got gassed by the police and saw others beaten in a lawful protest on women's rights.

Then groups of neo-nazis were waiting in the wings to pick up the stragglers, as they were in the last protest I went to. strawberry floated.


Stay safe bro

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Squinty » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:05 pm

Rocsteady wrote:Poland's descent into full-on fascism continues. Couldn't make it today but girlfriend got gassed by the police and saw others beaten in a lawful protest on women's rights.

Then groups of neo-nazis were waiting in the wings to pick up the stragglers, as they were in the last protest I went to. strawberry floated.


WTF. Stay safe, the pair of you.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Rocsteady » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:09 pm

Drumstick wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:Poland's descent into full-on fascism continues. Couldn't make it today but girlfriend got gassed by the police and saw others beaten in a lawful protest on women's rights.

Then groups of neo-nazis were waiting in the wings to pick up the stragglers, as they were in the last protest I went to. strawberry floated.

:(

Tempted to get the pair of you out of there?

I'd happily return to Scotland.

My partner talks about being open to the idea but I think she'd prefer to stay in Poland and resist what's happening.

Tonight they rolled out their special forces who don't have to wear any ID or give a badge number when asked like the police do, so essentially can act with impunity. Not that the regular police are exactly bastions of restraint here.

Today's govt update as they try to placate the protests was announcing that you'll have to give birth to a baby even if it's known it will be dead on arrival, but you'll be provided with a priest in those instances :simper:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Cuttooth » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:15 pm

This is the kind of gooseberry fool that should see sanctions from the EU. Hope you’re both safe.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Rocsteady » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:27 pm

Thanks all.

It's been escalating for weeks now but I think it's getting to the point where the protesters will break unfortunately. It's progressively smaller crowds of mostly women in their 20s and 30s vs hundreds of policemen with tear gas and batons, and hundred strong groups of skinheads.

Unfortunately the EU and member states have been abdicating their responsibility when it comes to Poland's government for a long time and I don't expect that to change now.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Rocsteady » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:28 pm

Also I was trying to clean her jacket and clothes so she could lie down and stupidly got some gas remnants in my right eye, strawberry float me that stings.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:03 am

Rocsteady wrote:Thanks all.

It's been escalating for weeks now but I think it's getting to the point where the protesters will break unfortunately. It's progressively smaller crowds of mostly women in their 20s and 30s vs hundreds of policemen with tear gas and batons, and hundred strong groups of skinheads.

Unfortunately the EU and member states have been abdicating their responsibility when it comes to Poland's government for a long time and I don't expect that to change now.


It’s amazing how little our media give this coverage over here yet any protest/disorder in America is main news.

Hopefully you guys manage to avoid as much trouble as possible. You are incredibly brave to stay and your partner is even braver to take part in the protests. Culturally there’s a section of poland that is incredibly right wing, bigoted, fascist and racist. I don’t see it changing any time soon. I always find this odd considering how much their country was strawberry floated over by extremists from both spectrums during WW2.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Rocsteady » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:13 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:Thanks all.

It's been escalating for weeks now but I think it's getting to the point where the protesters will break unfortunately. It's progressively smaller crowds of mostly women in their 20s and 30s vs hundreds of policemen with tear gas and batons, and hundred strong groups of skinheads.

Unfortunately the EU and member states have been abdicating their responsibility when it comes to Poland's government for a long time and I don't expect that to change now.


It’s amazing how little our media give this coverage over here yet any protest/disorder in America is main news.

Hopefully you guys manage to avoid as much trouble as possible. You are incredibly brave to stay and your partner is even braver to take part in the protests. Culturally there’s a section of poland that is incredibly right wing, bigoted, fascist and racist. I don’t see it changing any time soon. I always find this odd considering how much their country was strawberry floated over by extremists from both spectrums during WW2.

Tbh I can understand it when Poland's impact on the world stage is negligible. I've seen a few articles briefly covering it in the Guardian but that's been it.

As much as I love central and eastern europe it's a real overt problem across these countries. Gender roles are still much more strongly in place and homophobia and racism is much more acceptable. I've met plenty of people in informal settings where they make jokes or comments that are unacceptable to me but shrugged off by the rest of the group.

I always come back to the poll before last year's election where they asked people under 40 what the biggest threat facing the country was. Women said climate change, while men said LGBT rights.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Drumstick » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:33 am

LBGT rights as a threat, wow.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Squinty » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:46 am

Seems like this is a problem all over the world, where angry men (and some women) want to keep things exactly the same as they were in the past. Overly retrogressive, and this extreme form of 'I can't deal with change' needs to strawberry float off already.

You would like to expect better from Eastern Europe, given the history of those countries, but nah, let's not pay any attention to learn lessons from our past AT ALL.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by captain red dog » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:55 am

Squinty wrote:Seems like this is a problem all over the world, where angry men (and some women) want to keep things exactly the same as they were in the past. Overly retrogressive, and this extreme form of 'I can't deal with change' needs to strawberry float off already.

You would like to expect better from Eastern Europe, given the history of those countries, but nah, let's not pay any attention to learn lessons from our past AT ALL.

I have a lot of friends from Eastern Europe. They have all told me that it is very old fashioned back home, some really quite conservative views from their parents generation. From their point of view, the talented young people tend to head abroad to western Europe at the earliest opportunity, and even then they feel guilty about indulging in "Western decadence" (that is their word for it, not mine).

It's really fascinating, but also tragic. My closest friend, she says she loves her home country but basically feels homeless as she no longer fits there in terms of her world view and lifestyle and couldn't go back as she'd have to take a huge pay cut. But at the same time she wants to go back because its still home.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:01 pm

twitter.com/joncstone/status/1329402189257863170



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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by captain red dog » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:07 pm

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/joncstone/status/1329402189257863170



"We can't feed children but I'm pretty sure we can make light sabres"

I mean, lightsabers though. :wub:

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