Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
16
10%
Labour
64
41%
Liberal Democrat
28
18%
Green
22
14%
SNP
16
10%
Brexit Party
4
3%
UKIP
2
1%
Plaid Cymru
3
2%
DUP
1
1%
Sinn Fein
2
1%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 158
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Sprouty » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:56 pm

Moggy wrote:

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What a wanker :lol:


There are definitely some fruit and vegetable pickers jobs in the UK where it is a requirement to live on site in shared caravans. The weather dictates that staff be available to go and pick at a moments notice. Obviously the media prefers to label Brits as lazy, but in reality the working conditions are far from typical. One job advert claiming hourly wages of 'up to £30' also seems to have been taken throughout the media as 'all pickers earn £30 an hour', which is clearly going to be only technically achievable and requiring the energy and focus of an Olympian on NTZ to achieve. No doubt for these types of roles, this mandatory on site accommodation will eat in to your wages too. This might appeal to the young and single, but most people are not going to be willing to share a small caravan with 5 other people for most of the week in order to get up as required to pull vegetables out of the ground in the freezing cold. Of course this wont be all picking roles, but it certainly applies to some.

Despite living in the relatively rural county of Norfolk, the best paid picker job I can find is £9.50 an hour, so my dream of topping up my wages by picking a few brussels sprouts at the weekend has fallen flat. Perhaps ultimately, the reason why Brits don't want these jobs is that they pay poorly, have rubbish conditions and few prospects. The reporter in that article definitely missed out on the full experience, but who expects well researched, unbiased and accurate reporting from any of the media in our country?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tomous » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:19 pm

The uncomfortable truth is a lot of industries in this country were propped up by underpaying staff in horrible conditions. Now we don't have the Eastern Europeans to take those jobs the economy is going to have to realign. Food is going to get much more expensive.

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by Moggy » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:35 pm

Tomous wrote:The uncomfortable truth is a lot of industries in this country were propped up by underpaying staff in horrible conditions. Now we don't have the Eastern Europeans to take those jobs the economy is going to have to realign. Food is going to get much more expensive.


With the number of people already relying on foodbanks, that's going to be a big problem.

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by Tomous » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:40 pm

Moggy wrote:
Tomous wrote:The uncomfortable truth is a lot of industries in this country were propped up by underpaying staff in horrible conditions. Now we don't have the Eastern Europeans to take those jobs the economy is going to have to realign. Food is going to get much more expensive.


With the number of people already relying on foodbanks, that's going to be a big problem.


Indeed. And we've cut Universal Credit.

Things are going to get worse and worse over the next few years.

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by Moggy » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:48 pm

Tomous wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Tomous wrote:The uncomfortable truth is a lot of industries in this country were propped up by underpaying staff in horrible conditions. Now we don't have the Eastern Europeans to take those jobs the economy is going to have to realign. Food is going to get much more expensive.


With the number of people already relying on foodbanks, that's going to be a big problem.


Indeed. And we've cut Universal Credit.

Things are going to get worse and worse over the next few years.


Looks like we'll soon find out if it's true that three missed meals will cause a revolution.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:56 am

twitter.com/peston/status/1450378274048196610



He still hasn't realised that he is the pharaoh, bringing down plague and pestilence on his people.

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by Tomous » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:10 am

Wow :lol:



How did he get down from Sinia? On a private jet via Cornwall?

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by Tomous » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:35 am

British households will be £1,000 worse off next year from a cost of living squeeze created by rising energy prices and shortages of workers and supplies caused by Covid and Brexit, a leading thinktank has warned.

The Resolution Foundation said higher levels of inflation would weigh down workers’ earnings next year, contributing to a hit to the average household income in Britain at a time when the government is cutting benefits and raising taxes.

It said the average household disposable income, after adjusting for inflation, would be about 2% lower by the end of 2022 relative to forecasts made in March by the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), before the surge in shop and energy bill prices.

Although the OBR had predicted that household disposable income would rise in 2022, the Resolution Foundation said soaring inflation would mean households would have £1,000 less than originally forecast.

“Higher inflation reduces the amount of goods and services that households are able to afford, eroding the real value of incomes,” it said.

The warning comes amid mounting concern over the impact of the rising cost of living this autumn, as surging wholesale gas and electricity costs feed through into higher energy bills, and as the price of a weekly shop climbs.

In an intervention before Rishi Sunak’s post-lockdown budget next week, the Resolution Foundation said that, on top of the hit from inflation, many households would also have to reckon with cuts to universal credit, while workers and businesses must budget for planned national insurance tax increases.


The government slashing universal credit by £20 a week from early October will cost those households £1,040 a year, including for millions of working families, in the biggest overnight cut for social security benefits on record.

Issuing the chancellor a warning that a “cost of living crunch” was brewing from the combined impact of inflation, tax rises and cuts, the thinktank said: “Together with a £13bn raid on household incomes from increases in NICs [National Insurance contributions], and sharp cuts to universal credit, there will be major headwinds to families’ spending power in the coming months.”

Official figures show inflation, as measured by the consumer prices index, had its biggest monthly jump on record in August, hitting an annual rate of 3.2%, the highest rate in nearly a decade after a sharp rise in the cost of energy, food and drink.

The Bank of England has warned rising household energy bills will cause inflation to peak above 4% this winter, with the gauge for the rising cost of living forecast to stay at elevated levels until at least the summer before gradually fading again.

Sunak has warned the sharp jump is a key risk being closely monitored by the Treasury for the potential impact it could have on the government finances, with the cost of servicing the national debt linked to inflation and interest rates.

The Resolution Foundation said the chancellor was on course for an improvement in the government’s finances worth about £30bn next year, compared with earlier forecasts for the budget deficit. However, it said this was smaller than some economists assumed because rising inflation was pushing up borrowing costs.

The thinktank also warned that Sunak had little wriggle room over coming years because of huge uncertainties over the economic outlook.

Britain’s economy is expected to grow by 7.5% this year, the fastest peacetime annual growth rate in nearly a century, after the largest contraction over the same period in 2020.

However, growth has slowed to just 0.3% in July and August, while fears are mounting over rising inflation and a possible need to raise interest rates to compensate.

James Smith, research director at the Resolution Foundation, said: “The backdrop to the budget will be a strong recovery from the pandemic that risks being derailed by rising inflation and economic disruption that will squeeze both the chancellor’s borrowing windfall and family budgets.

“The decisions that Rishi Sunak will take next Wednesday will help to define the rest of the parliament, and the type of chancellor he’ll be remembered as.

“But amid such long-term and legacy-defining announcements, he must not forget the cost of living crunch facing families up and down the country right now.”

The Treasury said: “We are supporting people with the cost of living, including through a new £500m support fund to help vulnerable households, the energy price cap, and support with energy bills through the winter.

“Our Plan for Jobs is also helping people across the country to find great work and progress in their careers.”


https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/ ... tank-warns



Great. This is going to hurt so many people.

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by Rik_ » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:36 am

I think one of the things that's being overlooked with labour shortages across various industries is the media and political class' insistence on referring to anything that isn't office-based/requires a degree as "low skilled" when most of the time it's anything but. It's almost comical how they keep emphasizing that things are falling apart due to a lack of these workers, then continuously using a label for them that makes it sound like they're not actually that important after all. People are being told these jobs are lesser, so they're aiming instead for jobs that are supposedly more "high skilled" or worthwhile but in reality a lot of the time are nowhere near as important to the everyday functioning of society. What's more, this is paired with rhetoric around poverty that insists people should just get better jobs if they want more money - ignoring the fact that someone has to drive the lorries or pick the veg or keep the supermarkets running.

We need to change the way we talk about these jobs, and we need to improve their conditions to match the contribution they bring to society. That starts with higher wages, but also means better employment rights, safeguarding/wellbeing measures, hours, time off, workload, and so on.

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by Moggy » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:40 am

Tomous wrote:
British households will be £1,000 worse off next year from a cost of living squeeze created by rising energy prices and shortages of workers and supplies caused by Covid and Brexit, a leading thinktank has warned.

The Resolution Foundation said higher levels of inflation would weigh down workers’ earnings next year, contributing to a hit to the average household income in Britain at a time when the government is cutting benefits and raising taxes.

It said the average household disposable income, after adjusting for inflation, would be about 2% lower by the end of 2022 relative to forecasts made in March by the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), before the surge in shop and energy bill prices.

Although the OBR had predicted that household disposable income would rise in 2022, the Resolution Foundation said soaring inflation would mean households would have £1,000 less than originally forecast.

“Higher inflation reduces the amount of goods and services that households are able to afford, eroding the real value of incomes,” it said.

The warning comes amid mounting concern over the impact of the rising cost of living this autumn, as surging wholesale gas and electricity costs feed through into higher energy bills, and as the price of a weekly shop climbs.

In an intervention before Rishi Sunak’s post-lockdown budget next week, the Resolution Foundation said that, on top of the hit from inflation, many households would also have to reckon with cuts to universal credit, while workers and businesses must budget for planned national insurance tax increases.


The government slashing universal credit by £20 a week from early October will cost those households £1,040 a year, including for millions of working families, in the biggest overnight cut for social security benefits on record.

Issuing the chancellor a warning that a “cost of living crunch” was brewing from the combined impact of inflation, tax rises and cuts, the thinktank said: “Together with a £13bn raid on household incomes from increases in NICs [National Insurance contributions], and sharp cuts to universal credit, there will be major headwinds to families’ spending power in the coming months.”

Official figures show inflation, as measured by the consumer prices index, had its biggest monthly jump on record in August, hitting an annual rate of 3.2%, the highest rate in nearly a decade after a sharp rise in the cost of energy, food and drink.

The Bank of England has warned rising household energy bills will cause inflation to peak above 4% this winter, with the gauge for the rising cost of living forecast to stay at elevated levels until at least the summer before gradually fading again.

Sunak has warned the sharp jump is a key risk being closely monitored by the Treasury for the potential impact it could have on the government finances, with the cost of servicing the national debt linked to inflation and interest rates.

The Resolution Foundation said the chancellor was on course for an improvement in the government’s finances worth about £30bn next year, compared with earlier forecasts for the budget deficit. However, it said this was smaller than some economists assumed because rising inflation was pushing up borrowing costs.

The thinktank also warned that Sunak had little wriggle room over coming years because of huge uncertainties over the economic outlook.

Britain’s economy is expected to grow by 7.5% this year, the fastest peacetime annual growth rate in nearly a century, after the largest contraction over the same period in 2020.

However, growth has slowed to just 0.3% in July and August, while fears are mounting over rising inflation and a possible need to raise interest rates to compensate.

James Smith, research director at the Resolution Foundation, said: “The backdrop to the budget will be a strong recovery from the pandemic that risks being derailed by rising inflation and economic disruption that will squeeze both the chancellor’s borrowing windfall and family budgets.

“The decisions that Rishi Sunak will take next Wednesday will help to define the rest of the parliament, and the type of chancellor he’ll be remembered as.

“But amid such long-term and legacy-defining announcements, he must not forget the cost of living crunch facing families up and down the country right now.”

The Treasury said: “We are supporting people with the cost of living, including through a new £500m support fund to help vulnerable households, the energy price cap, and support with energy bills through the winter.

“Our Plan for Jobs is also helping people across the country to find great work and progress in their careers.”


https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/ ... tank-warns



Great. This is going to hurt so many people.


I bet it does wonders for the poll ratings of the Tory party though

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by Victor Mildew » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:47 am

CON +12

There was a feature on BBC news this morning where they were going over this heating grant and what it means. They read out Johnson's "THE THE THE GREEN, ER, POLICE WON'T ER, BE BE ER, COMING ROUND WITH A CARROT TO ER ENFORCE IT" comments with a hearty chortle, then went live to a man who has geared his house up for being heated differently as an example for us all.

He spent £20k switching his heating to something else, then said his house wasn't very warm any more but it was ok.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:49 am

I wonder what proportion of the Tory vote is enthused by the thought of 'keeping the plebs down'. I bet it's a pretty scary majority.

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by Knoyleo » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:55 am

Victor Mildew wrote:CON +12

There was a feature on BBC news this morning where they were going over this heating grant and what it means. They read out Johnson's "THE THE THE GREEN, ER, POLICE WON'T ER, BE BE ER, COMING ROUND WITH A CARROT TO ER ENFORCE IT" comments with a hearty chortle, then went live to a man who has geared his house up for being heated differently as an example for us all.

He spent £20k switching his heating to something else, then said his house wasn't very warm any more but it was ok.

The grant is a joke. It's only going to cover 90,000 new units, and still leaves the larger share of the cost of these heat pumps in the hands of the homeowner. They also require the house they're being installed in to be very well insulated, which a lot of older homes won't be, in order to be effective. Meanwhile, the home secretary is demonising protesters who are in the streets attempting to force the government to fund home insulation.

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by Moggy » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:00 am

Victor Mildew wrote:CON +12

There was a feature on BBC news this morning where they were going over this heating grant and what it means. They read out Johnson's "THE THE THE GREEN, ER, POLICE WON'T ER, BE BE ER, COMING ROUND WITH A CARROT TO ER ENFORCE IT" comments with a hearty chortle, then went live to a man who has geared his house up for being heated differently as an example for us all.


It was worse than that. He said the "greenshirts" are not going to kick your door down. Haha the Nazis were so funny, good old Boris!

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by Sprouty » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:03 am

Rik_ wrote:I think one of the things that's being overlooked with labour shortages across various industries is the media and political class' insistence on referring to anything that isn't office-based/requires a degree as "low skilled" when most of the time it's anything but. It's almost comical how they keep emphasizing that things are falling apart due to a lack of these workers, then continuously using a label for them that makes it sound like they're not actually that important after all. People are being told these jobs are lesser, so they're aiming instead for jobs that are supposedly more "high skilled" or worthwhile but in reality a lot of the time are nowhere near as important to the everyday functioning of society. What's more, this is paired with rhetoric around poverty that insists people should just get better jobs if they want more money - ignoring the fact that someone has to drive the lorries or pick the veg or keep the supermarkets running.

We need to change the way we talk about these jobs, and we need to improve their conditions to match the contribution they bring to society. That starts with higher wages, but also means better employment rights, safeguarding/wellbeing measures, hours, time off, workload, and so on.


Free market determines that jobs which are easily filled will pay the lowest. If you can be replaced with somebody with little to no experience, a minimal amount of training and there is a large supply of those people, you will earn less.

As you say, that does not mean that those roles are not important and of course often essential. There are definitely stories out there of employers raising pay to fill vacancies in recent months due to staffing shortages, though whether that leads to better living conditions for a large number of people is yet to be seen and any improvement could very much be wiped out by the rise in living costs.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Vermilion » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:26 pm

Tomous wrote:Indeed. And we've cut Universal Credit.


Speaking of which, this story certainly flew under the radar...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/dystopian-ben ... 53259.html

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by Garth » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:05 pm

twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1450459429862842379


twitter.com/BBCBusiness/status/1450451811853377540


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by <]:^D » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:09 pm

project fear!!!111

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by Rik_ » Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:24 am

SillySprout wrote:
Rik_ wrote:I think one of the things that's being overlooked with labour shortages across various industries is the media and political class' insistence on referring to anything that isn't office-based/requires a degree as "low skilled" when most of the time it's anything but. It's almost comical how they keep emphasizing that things are falling apart due to a lack of these workers, then continuously using a label for them that makes it sound like they're not actually that important after all. People are being told these jobs are lesser, so they're aiming instead for jobs that are supposedly more "high skilled" or worthwhile but in reality a lot of the time are nowhere near as important to the everyday functioning of society. What's more, this is paired with rhetoric around poverty that insists people should just get better jobs if they want more money - ignoring the fact that someone has to drive the lorries or pick the veg or keep the supermarkets running.

We need to change the way we talk about these jobs, and we need to improve their conditions to match the contribution they bring to society. That starts with higher wages, but also means better employment rights, safeguarding/wellbeing measures, hours, time off, workload, and so on.


Free market determines that jobs which are easily filled will pay the lowest. If you can be replaced with somebody with little to no experience, a minimal amount of training and there is a large supply of those people, you will earn less.

As you say, that does not mean that those roles are not important and of course often essential. There are definitely stories out there of employers raising pay to fill vacancies in recent months due to staffing shortages, though whether that leads to better living conditions for a large number of people is yet to be seen and any improvement could very much be wiped out by the rise in living costs.

I understand the principles of the free market, the problem is that the free market is a little bit gooseberry fool at solving problems like unliveable wages and poor working conditions leading to massive labour shortages. It's essentially just shrugging and going "eh, things will work themselves out eventually" - which is shorthand for a return to the status quo of people working "low-skilled" jobs being stuck with poor conditions and poor wages, just maybe not quite as bad as before.

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by Victor Mildew » Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:36 am

<]:^D wrote:project fear!!!111


I'd rather sit in the dark eating dust!!!!

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