Politics Thread 6

[Drumstick]

A poll has now been added so we can see just how many Tory votes GRcade provides.

Depends when the next GE takes place. If the Lib Dems pick up some momentum then I'll consider throwing my vote behind them, although the 2017 results don't make pleasant reading for them.

Conservative - 30,181 votes, 55.4%
Labour - 18,091 votes, 33.2%
Liberal Democrat - 2,982 votes, 5.5%

Looking at that it doesn’t appear to matter whether you vote Labour, Lib Dem or Green.

I suggest moving.

Indeed.

[That]

I think "who do you want to vote for" sans tactical voting is a more interesting poll so I went with Green. I would cast a vote for almost anyone to stop the Tories though obviously.

Bold suggestion time: should we consider just...not voting conservative? It really might help with all these awful conservative governments. I'm just spitballing here, a few loose unformed ideas...

But if we don't vote Tory then a senile grandpa, who is also an international spy and a sex addict, would spend all our money on giant statues of Mao. I read it in the newspapers.

[.tweet]https://twitter.com/brokenbottleboy/status/1153967996056014849[/tweet]

What the strawberry float?

Toby Young, who failed school and had his daddy phone Oxford to get him in.

Truly a man well-qualified to judge who is or is not an Ubermensch.

[Hexx]

General election 2017:Gloucester[20][21]

Conservative Richard Graham 27,208 50.3%
Labour Barry Kirby 21,688 40.1%
Liberal Democrat Jeremy Hilton 2,716 5.0%
UKIP Daniel Woolf 1,495 2.8%
Green Gerald Hartley 754 1.4%

[Moggy]

I think the 2015 and 2017 Lib Dem results are a little misleading. They were being (rightly!) punished for the coalition years plus in 2017 they had that weird homophobe in charge. We were also in the grip of Corbynmania in 2017.

I’d expect the Lib Dem’s to have a far stronger showing at the next election.

I live in an area that was Lib Dem until 2015 but is now strongly Labour. The Tories have no chance here so I’m quite free to vote for whoever I want. I’ll probably go Green like I did at the European Elections.

[KK]

Greenpeace have already interrupted Boris Johnson’s arrival to Buckingham Palace with a protest across the street. They were all promptly shot and Johnson carried on his way. The Queen is now receiving Boris through the backdoors.

[Herdanos]

Greenpeace have already interrupted Boris Johnson’s arrival to Buckingham Palace with a protest across the street. They were all promptly shot and Johnson carried on his way. The Queen is now receiving Boris through the backdoors.

Er, fake news?

[Moggy]

Greenpeace have already interrupted Boris Johnson’s arrival to Buckingham Palace with a protest across the street. They were all promptly shot and Johnson carried on his way. The Queen is now receiving Boris through the backdoors.

Er, fake news?

It’s not fake news but it has been covered up by the mainstream media as King Boris is not yet ready to reveal himself as the new head of the Iluminati.

[Hexx]

Jesus Christ. This speech outside number 10.
Imagine being the pond scum it's aimed at/will work on

[Tafdolphin]

Jesus Christ. This speech outside number 10.
Imagine being the pond scum it's aimed at

I'm sure Denny's around here somewhere.


I kid I kid.

[Jenuall]

General election 2017:Gloucester[20][21]

Conservative Richard Graham 27,208 50.3%
Labour Barry Kirby 21,688 40.1%
Liberal Democrat Jeremy Hilton 2,716 5.0%
UKIP Daniel Woolf 1,495 2.8%
Green Gerald Hartley 754 1.4%

Ugh, Gloucester

Hexx is all but confirmed scum if he's in the Gloucester constituency.

[Preezy]

HE'S strawberry floating PRIME MINISTER WHAT THE strawberry float IS GOING ON

[Hexx]

twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/1154044009536315392

This is going to end so badly

[BID0]

Politics Thread 6 - The Dark World

[Jenuall]

"Moron says moronic thing" - this is basically the template for everything in this thread from now on.

[Herdanos]

Is May calling on Corbyn to go the only time she's been right about anything, ever?

I wish you weren't so needlessly agressive in your posting.

No they can't be right, every smug Lib won't shut the strawberry float up about being the party of remain.

A vote for Labour is a vote for Brexit. The party is led by someone who has made it clear they want to leave the EU and they've been deliberately evasive on their stance on a second referendum should they gain power. There's every chance a Labour government under Corbyn would take us out of the EU, a move that would only benefit the very richest in society, immediately contradicting their "for the many not the few" rhetoric. If you're OK with that, then fine, but you can't get arsey when folk rightfully point out that a vote for Labour as things currently stand is a vote that enables the enactment of Tory policy.

You could barely fit a cigarette paper between Labour's brexit policy and the Lib Dem policy. They both seek a second referendum on the issue. Labour want to negotiate their own deal if in government and put it to a referendum. Personally, I am unconvinced a second referendum would result in a remain victory.

I voted remain, I don't want Brexit. Labour has done everything it can to prevent a no deal Brexit whilst still trying to respect the wishes of those who voted for Brexit.

That comment about comparing Labour and the LD policies on Brexit is simply not grounded in reality, that's partisan delusion talking. Supporting a political party is not the same as supporting a football team. You cannot seriously believe, having applied logic, that statement to be true.

If you don't want Brexit it does not make sense to vote for Labour as things stand now. That is as simple as it can be put.

Yes, a vote for Labour might mean a Labour government as opposed to a Conservative government, and you might think that is a good thing. Under usual circumstances I would 100% agree. But what is the point in a Labour government if it enacts a Tory policy? And a Tory policy so staggeringly harmful that it cripples the economy to an extent that it becomes practically impossible to enact any of Labour's other party positions?

twitter.com/PeteWishart/status/1153922839675920386

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1154009464669798400

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1154010728229036032

A vote for the Lib Dems is perfect for those who would like the boot thoroughly licked before it stamps on their face, forever.

And a vote for Labour is a vote for the exact same catastrophic Brexit the right wing of the Tory party has wanted for decades, but painted red instead of blue, and with Labour to take the blame for the harm it does. Great stuff Corbyn and well enabled Tineash!

Alternatively: let's all vote Green!

Read their political programme (ie manifesto); it's literally exactly where Labour should be, on every single issue, if they were brave enough.

I appreciate the political reality of our broken system means a vote for the Greens is often, sadly, a wasted vote. But in a prospective election, if the Remain parties agreed to not field competing candidates, there's a genuine chance a Remain majority would transpire as a result.

[captain red dog]

A Labour no deal Brexit under Corbyn would be very different to one under the Tories. The cost under Corbyn might actually be pushed onto the rich for once. Under the Tories, it would be paid by the poor, case in point is austerity.

That's not to say I think No Deal under Corbyn is a good idea either. I just genuinely think he would try and offset some of the cost from taxing the rich for once. They would all emigrate and refuse to pay, but he would at least have the intent to do things fairly.

[Moggy]

A Labour no deal Brexit under Corbyn would be very different to one under the Tories. The cost under Corbyn might actually be pushed onto the rich for once. Under the Tories, it would be paid by the poor, case in point is austerity.

That's not to say I think No Deal under Corbyn is a good idea either. I just genuinely think he would try and offset some of the cost from taxing the rich for once. They would all emigrate and refuse to pay, but he would at least have the intent to do things fairly.

He might tax the rich more, but the poor will get absolutely screwed no matter who is in charge. No Deal is bad, it doesn’t matter who’s in charge.

[captain red dog]

A Labour no deal Brexit under Corbyn would be very different to one under the Tories. The cost under Corbyn might actually be pushed onto the rich for once. Under the Tories, it would be paid by the poor, case in point is austerity.

That's not to say I think No Deal under Corbyn is a good idea either. I just genuinely think he would try and offset some of the cost from taxing the rich for once. They would all emigrate and refuse to pay, but he would at least have the intent to do things fairly.

He might tax the rich more, but the poor will get absolutely screwed no matter who is in charge. No Deal is bad, it doesn’t matter who’s in charge.

Yep I agree. I just think Corbyn would probably try and soften the blow to the poorest. The Tories won't give a gooseberry fool.

[Tineash]

A "Labour Brexit" - which, please let me be clear, is still a very gooseberry fool idea - would not be no deal. Not being no deal is very very clearly the one thing Labour can decide on. It would also be (most likely) not the same as May's deal, given Labour's interest in 'a' customs union. Being the Laboursplainer is very boring, but quite a lot of people haven't noticed these things at all.

[captain red dog]

A "Labour Brexit" - which, please let me be clear, is still a very gooseberry fool idea - would not be no deal. Not being no deal is very very clearly the one thing Labour can decide on. It would also be (most likely) not the same as May's deal, given Labour's interest in 'a' customs union. Being the Laboursplainer is very boring, but quite a lot of people haven't noticed these things at all.

Its difficult to be sure. I feel Corbyn would prefer a no deal as it would make it far easier for him to push his renationalisation strategy which he probably wouldn't be able to do within a a deal with the EU.

But you are right, any Labour Brexit would be different to a Tory Brexit. Its just the scale of how different it would be depends very much on whether Labour lurch back to the soft right.