Politics Thread 6

[Errkal]

It is like she has read a "How to be a Conservative" hand book and so just rolls out likes like "lower tax burden", "dont bash business" because "thats what Conservatives say" but has no concept that anything is happening in the world that might make that land badly with real people.

[KK]

Official plans to reduce the amount of raw sewage that is dumped in rivers and lakes across the country have been delayed by the Government, it has emerged

Ministers were due to publish a strategy outlining how they would tackle what they call the “unacceptable” levels of sewage discharge by next month.

But the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) has quietly shelved this until a future date, saying the plan will now be published “in due course”.

An investigation by The Telegraph earlier this year found that water companies are releasing raw sewage into rivers more than 1,000 times a day despite being told to do so only when there is heavy rainfall.

Raw sewage was discharged into rivers and coastal areas for more than 3.1 million hours on more than 400,000 occasions throughout 2020, according to data from the Environment Agency.

Jim McMahon, the shadow environment secretary, accused water companies of “routinely dumping raw sewage in our rivers, seas and even on children’s playing fields” while ministers “dither and delay” over how to tackle the issue.

Another disaster.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/jasemonkey/status/1526472922289819649

[Qikz]

twitter.com/jasemonkey/status/1526472922289819649

I think I've got to the point where I loathe the Tory party so much I can't find any of this actually funny anymore. This is legitimately how they think. Absolute strawberry floating scum.

[Buffalo]

Rishi to the rescue now, huh? Says he’s gonna dish out extra cash to 16 million elderly and vulnerable people if he gets in to help with energy bills. An interesting thing to promise considering what daft lass said yesterday.

[Rex Kramer]

Are we not yet at the point where Rishi just bungs £500 in each of the voting packs?

[Rex Kramer]

Well, there it is, nailed to the mast. She favours obscene profiteering while the public face destitution, and intends doing nothing to correct the imbalance.

Liz Truss has defended earnings at energy companies amid soaring price rises, saying profits should not be considered "dirty and evil".
The Tory leadership hopeful said windfall taxes on profits - urged by some to fund help for households - were about "bashing business".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62513966

We can only hope that the Tory membership can see just how crass that attitude is at a time like this, and ditch her.

Things like this is why Truss will fail badly. Johnson didn't give a gooseberry fool about ordinary people, but he was bright enough to know how to do the populist thing.

If Truss thinks, with £5k annual bills, defending energy companies is going to be a general election winner, then she's even more stupid than I ever imagined.

These arguments aren't to win a general election though, they're to sway people who are looking worryingly at their pension portfolios.

[Moggy]

Well, there it is, nailed to the mast. She favours obscene profiteering while the public face destitution, and intends doing nothing to correct the imbalance.

Liz Truss has defended earnings at energy companies amid soaring price rises, saying profits should not be considered "dirty and evil".
The Tory leadership hopeful said windfall taxes on profits - urged by some to fund help for households - were about "bashing business".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62513966

We can only hope that the Tory membership can see just how crass that attitude is at a time like this, and ditch her.

Things like this is why Truss will fail badly. Johnson didn't give a gooseberry fool about ordinary people, but he was bright enough to know how to do the populist thing.

If Truss thinks, with £5k annual bills, defending energy companies is going to be a general election winner, then she's even more stupid than I ever imagined.

These arguments aren't to win a general election though, they're to sway people who are looking worryingly at their pension portfolios.

Yes.

And what do you think opposition party's* will be showing at the next general election?

*maybe not Labour if they don't come up with a decent plan soon.

[Rex Kramer]

Well, there it is, nailed to the mast. She favours obscene profiteering while the public face destitution, and intends doing nothing to correct the imbalance.

Liz Truss has defended earnings at energy companies amid soaring price rises, saying profits should not be considered "dirty and evil".
The Tory leadership hopeful said windfall taxes on profits - urged by some to fund help for households - were about "bashing business".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62513966

We can only hope that the Tory membership can see just how crass that attitude is at a time like this, and ditch her.

Things like this is why Truss will fail badly. Johnson didn't give a gooseberry fool about ordinary people, but he was bright enough to know how to do the populist thing.

If Truss thinks, with £5k annual bills, defending energy companies is going to be a general election winner, then she's even more stupid than I ever imagined.

These arguments aren't to win a general election though, they're to sway people who are looking worryingly at their pension portfolios.

Yes.

And what do you think opposition party's* will be showing at the next general election?

*maybe not Labour if they don't come up with a decent plan soon.

She's like Johnson, solve problem A at the point where it becomes critical with no concerns about anything else and kick the can down the road on problems B, C and D. Plus, it seems the electorate have a very short memory.

[Moggy]

Well, there it is, nailed to the mast. She favours obscene profiteering while the public face destitution, and intends doing nothing to correct the imbalance.

Liz Truss has defended earnings at energy companies amid soaring price rises, saying profits should not be considered "dirty and evil".
The Tory leadership hopeful said windfall taxes on profits - urged by some to fund help for households - were about "bashing business".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62513966

We can only hope that the Tory membership can see just how crass that attitude is at a time like this, and ditch her.

Things like this is why Truss will fail badly. Johnson didn't give a gooseberry fool about ordinary people, but he was bright enough to know how to do the populist thing.

If Truss thinks, with £5k annual bills, defending energy companies is going to be a general election winner, then she's even more stupid than I ever imagined.

These arguments aren't to win a general election though, they're to sway people who are looking worryingly at their pension portfolios.

Yes.

And what do you think opposition party's* will be showing at the next general election?

*maybe not Labour if they don't come up with a decent plan soon.

She's like Johnson, solve problem A at the point where it becomes critical with no concerns about anything else and kick the can down the road on problems B, C and D. Plus, it seems the electorate have a very short memory.

As I said, Johnson wouldn't have been saying that sort of stuff. He would have been lying, but he was a populist who knew saying "profit isn't evil!" isn't the best of responses when energy companies are making huge profits and people are facing £5k electric bills.

The electorate have a short memory, but that's not going to matter. The cost of living crisis isn't going to be over any time soon.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/davidghfrost/status/1557837372653543430

Has that ridiculous banana split forgotten who has been in power for 12 strawberry floating years?

[Lex-Man]

Did anybody on the renewable side ask for our gas storage facilities to be closed. It seems like it was the Tories who wanted to do it because it saved a bunch of money.

[Errkal]

Did anybody on the renewable side ask for our gas storage facilities to be closed. It seems like it was the Tories who wanted to do it because it saved a bunch of money.

It was Centrica that wanted to do it I think because of maintance costs etc. and it was the governments energy minister that would have OKed it

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-centrica

[Moggy]

Did anybody on the renewable side ask for our gas storage facilities to be closed. It seems like it was the Tories who wanted to do it because it saved a bunch of money.

It was Centrica that wanted to do it I think because of maintance costs etc. and it was the governments energy minister that would have OKed it

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-centrica

Exactly, woke green bastards.

Let's burn coal instead and say strawberry float you to those EUSSR bureaucrats!

[Lex-Man]

Did anybody on the renewable side ask for our gas storage facilities to be closed. It seems like it was the Tories who wanted to do it because it saved a bunch of money.

It was Centrica that wanted to do it I think because of maintance costs etc. and it was the governments energy minister that would have OKed it

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-centrica

Exactly, woke green bastards.

Let's burn coal instead and say strawberry float you to those EUSSR bureaucrats!

That's where we'll probably end up.

[KK]

Would it even be possible to get enough coal for this winter?

[Moggy]

Would it even be possible to get enough coal for this winter?

With the number of Tories on the naughty list? I think we'll be overrun with coal this Christmas.

[Garth]

twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1558024834143109120

[Green Gecko]

Genuine question, what do people on here do to combat the utter despair at how this country has been ground into the dirt? Have tried tuning out of all news (appreciate this is just trying to ignore the problem) but that’s becoming increasingly hard. The anger at the utter malicious incompetence and wilful ignorance of our leaders I can cope with, it’s the struggling to feel any hope that things are going to get better any time even in the medium to long term that I don’t know what to do with other than just try and tune it out and distract myself from it.


This isn’t a depression thing in case people were concerned about that. Just interested how people on this place, who are generally more left leaning and politically motivated than me, deal with it?

I guess I take a "I cant change it so why obsess over it" perspective.

I could get all depressed about it or obsess over it, I do many many things, but what would that achieve? It is better for me to know what is and isn't happening so I can cater for it in my own life but relistically I can't do a damn thing about this gooseberry fool show so there is no point letting it run me down.

1. Control, 2. Influence and 3. Concern. Of course the goal of most politicians is to decrease everyone's circle of influence and inflate their circle of power beyond even what they actually give a gooseberry fool about.

It's worth considering that it's OK to obsess over things that we have meaningful influence over because it's that which creates change. Obsessions have driven all kinds of developments in civilisation where everyone else gave up or didn't consider it interesting or deserving enough of their time/energy.

twitter.com/openDemocracy/status/1557368201985622016

IDS is her campaign manager? Holy strawberry floating gooseberry fool, as anyone disabled will sympathise with it's no strawberry floating wonder her policy is to denigrate as many people as possible without an ounce of compassion.

But I also wish I could apply Hanlon's razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

I can't shake the overwhelming sense that she is a career politician with half arsed views in the important places, convictions in all the wrong places, and no interest in public service for commonality or good, just representing everything the Tory party should be condemned for.

Is every single election/leadership round supposed to just get worse like this? Is there any solution besides the Tories somehow suddenly vanishing from existence?

Or course the Tory party supposedly exists as a reflection of their constituents, we can't simply excuse the fact that our country is made up of a considerable bulk of individuals that basically give zero strawberry floats about anyone else.

[Rex Kramer]

It's going to be interesting to see how Truss plans to run a government without the backing of the civil service. By Christmas, I don't think there will be a part of the public sector that hasn't been on strike at least once.