Politics Thread 6

Fed up talking videogames? Why?

Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
11
8%
Labour
53
40%
Liberal Democrat
27
21%
Green
20
15%
SNP
12
9%
Brexit Party
2
2%
UKIP
2
2%
Plaid Cymru
2
2%
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 131
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by BID0 » Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:07 pm

I mean there are instances of people who worked for the likes of BBC news and ITV news getting new jobs at 10 Downing St press office and vice versa. Or people like Nick Robinson who are prominent on the politics side of the BBC using Downing St for his book launch :lol:

So yeh there is definitely a conflict of interest

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:04 pm

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Preezy wrote:Regarding that kid getting shot and stabbed - what the strawberry float is going on with gooseberry fool like this? Seems to be happening all the time. strawberry floating animals :dread:


It's become normalised. It's such a problem and isn't getting the attention it needs. The kids involved are getting younger and younger as well.

Yeah that's the bit that just boggles my mind, I just can't comprehend how a child can do something like that to another child. It's mob mentality in the extreme. When I was 14, the worst a group of kids would do is maybe nick some sweets if they'd been egged on by each other, now it seems they commit horrific murders for apparent slights or disrespect.

I think in general you'd label someone that stabbed and shot an innocent child as a psychopath, but surely all these kids can't be psychopaths? It's just desperate, the absolute strawberry floating state of it.

Are there stats that it is in fact getting worse? I'm sure I heard similar stories of kids getting shot/stabbed by other kids when I was growing up in the 90s.


I can't find anything that shows age of offender/victim, but murder rates are low compared to the past.

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I think we need to be very careful about supposing these crimes are getting worse without evidence - it's easy to think things were better back in our day. Not saying you're wrong preezy as i'm also not an expert but recency bias and rolling news surely play a part.


We are all getting older, it's no surprise a few of us are now saying "the youth of today are terrible, it was better in my day!" ;)


Knife crime is definitely on the increase. 25k related crimes in 2013/14 to 49k related crimes in 2019/20. It only drops last year to 41k due to covid. From experience it’s back with a vengeance this year but you will have to wait till next year for the stats.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... s/sn04304/

https://benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics/

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/keeping-sa ... -in-detail


Is knife crime on the increase, or is it that changes in legislation and/or police priorities have changed? Is carrying a knife now being recorded more often, where it was more ignored in the past?

From your commons library link:

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From that graph, it looks to me like the early 2010s saw a dip, but the graph overall doesn't show today is much different to the last 20 years.


The big problem with FCE is that it is a very specific recording. If you discharge yourself as a lot of stabbing victims, particularly those young and involved in crime do or transferred to a different hospital or care provider then you are not included in the figures.

A finished consultant episode (FCE) is a continuous period of admitted patient care under one consultant within one healthcare provider.


As you say another issue is police recording practices have changed over the years but so have they in the NHS and other bodies. It’s always the case and makes it very difficult to compare records.

All I can do is talk from personal experience and we are definitely dealing with a lot more violence, particularly involving younger males.


I doubt people are discharging themselves at a higher rate now then they were in 2008 or 1998.

Recording practices will change, but I'd be more inclined to trust the NHS figures for this sort of thing. What we care about are injuries/deaths. The NHS can give us a decent picture of that.

The police figures are much harder to get a complete picture over time. New laws will change what is and isn't a crime. A government crackdown will cause figures to spike. Older police who think "well I always carried a penknife, I'm not arresting a kid for it" will have retired. New ways of recording it change the stats.

Personal experience is meaningless when we are talking about a country of almost 70 million people. Personally I think young people today are better than they were 10 years ago. And they are a LOT better than they were in the '90s.


So is your personal experience meaningless or not :lol:

I would say in general the younger population are becoming more considerate, polite and aware of various important issues etc. the good kids are better than they were before however I also believe that the pool of idiots has grown. I’m dealing with an ever increasing number of rude, entitled, disruptive kids in larger groups than before and in areas of the town that you wouldn’t previously have seen them. School safeguarding staff that I speak to regularly say this as well. Again this is down to personal experience which is hard to quantify.


My personal experience statement was put there as a direct contrast to yours.


Which according to you is entirely meaningless. We’ll remember that going forwards ;)

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:34 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Preezy wrote:Regarding that kid getting shot and stabbed - what the strawberry float is going on with gooseberry fool like this? Seems to be happening all the time. strawberry floating animals :dread:


It's become normalised. It's such a problem and isn't getting the attention it needs. The kids involved are getting younger and younger as well.

Yeah that's the bit that just boggles my mind, I just can't comprehend how a child can do something like that to another child. It's mob mentality in the extreme. When I was 14, the worst a group of kids would do is maybe nick some sweets if they'd been egged on by each other, now it seems they commit horrific murders for apparent slights or disrespect.

I think in general you'd label someone that stabbed and shot an innocent child as a psychopath, but surely all these kids can't be psychopaths? It's just desperate, the absolute strawberry floating state of it.

Are there stats that it is in fact getting worse? I'm sure I heard similar stories of kids getting shot/stabbed by other kids when I was growing up in the 90s.


I can't find anything that shows age of offender/victim, but murder rates are low compared to the past.

Image

Thanks.

I think we need to be very careful about supposing these crimes are getting worse without evidence - it's easy to think things were better back in our day. Not saying you're wrong preezy as i'm also not an expert but recency bias and rolling news surely play a part.


We are all getting older, it's no surprise a few of us are now saying "the youth of today are terrible, it was better in my day!" ;)


Knife crime is definitely on the increase. 25k related crimes in 2013/14 to 49k related crimes in 2019/20. It only drops last year to 41k due to covid. From experience it’s back with a vengeance this year but you will have to wait till next year for the stats.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... s/sn04304/

https://benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics/

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/keeping-sa ... -in-detail


Is knife crime on the increase, or is it that changes in legislation and/or police priorities have changed? Is carrying a knife now being recorded more often, where it was more ignored in the past?

From your commons library link:

Image

From that graph, it looks to me like the early 2010s saw a dip, but the graph overall doesn't show today is much different to the last 20 years.


The big problem with FCE is that it is a very specific recording. If you discharge yourself as a lot of stabbing victims, particularly those young and involved in crime do or transferred to a different hospital or care provider then you are not included in the figures.

A finished consultant episode (FCE) is a continuous period of admitted patient care under one consultant within one healthcare provider.


As you say another issue is police recording practices have changed over the years but so have they in the NHS and other bodies. It’s always the case and makes it very difficult to compare records.

All I can do is talk from personal experience and we are definitely dealing with a lot more violence, particularly involving younger males.


I doubt people are discharging themselves at a higher rate now then they were in 2008 or 1998.

Recording practices will change, but I'd be more inclined to trust the NHS figures for this sort of thing. What we care about are injuries/deaths. The NHS can give us a decent picture of that.

The police figures are much harder to get a complete picture over time. New laws will change what is and isn't a crime. A government crackdown will cause figures to spike. Older police who think "well I always carried a penknife, I'm not arresting a kid for it" will have retired. New ways of recording it change the stats.

Personal experience is meaningless when we are talking about a country of almost 70 million people. Personally I think young people today are better than they were 10 years ago. And they are a LOT better than they were in the '90s.


So is your personal experience meaningless or not :lol:

I would say in general the younger population are becoming more considerate, polite and aware of various important issues etc. the good kids are better than they were before however I also believe that the pool of idiots has grown. I’m dealing with an ever increasing number of rude, entitled, disruptive kids in larger groups than before and in areas of the town that you wouldn’t previously have seen them. School safeguarding staff that I speak to regularly say this as well. Again this is down to personal experience which is hard to quantify.


My personal experience statement was put there as a direct contrast to yours.


Which according to you is entirely meaningless. We’ll remember that going forwards ;)


Yes, that was precisely the point.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tineash » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:26 pm

Memento Mori wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
KK wrote:Whether true or not, anyone who has worked in journalism or PR in any form (whether it be music, videogames, politics...) will know this sounds completely plausible, and I think social media has only now made it obvious to the public. Far too much incestuous chumocracy.

Seems to be true. There is footage of Lewis Goodall singing.

Link?


twitter.com/JozefPFurReal/status/1446408357598879752


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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:39 pm

Tineash wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
KK wrote:Whether true or not, anyone who has worked in journalism or PR in any form (whether it be music, videogames, politics...) will know this sounds completely plausible, and I think social media has only now made it obvious to the public. Far too much incestuous chumocracy.

Seems to be true. There is footage of Lewis Goodall singing.

Link?


twitter.com/JozefPFurReal/status/1446408357598879752



Thank strawberry float they don't do anything overtly political like attend Pride events.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by KK » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:47 pm

Didn't something similar happen in the US recently where a load of journalists went to some personal event with Sarah Sanders and then joked about not telling anyone they were there.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:51 pm

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Preezy wrote:Regarding that kid getting shot and stabbed - what the strawberry float is going on with gooseberry fool like this? Seems to be happening all the time. strawberry floating animals :dread:


It's become normalised. It's such a problem and isn't getting the attention it needs. The kids involved are getting younger and younger as well.

Yeah that's the bit that just boggles my mind, I just can't comprehend how a child can do something like that to another child. It's mob mentality in the extreme. When I was 14, the worst a group of kids would do is maybe nick some sweets if they'd been egged on by each other, now it seems they commit horrific murders for apparent slights or disrespect.

I think in general you'd label someone that stabbed and shot an innocent child as a psychopath, but surely all these kids can't be psychopaths? It's just desperate, the absolute strawberry floating state of it.

Are there stats that it is in fact getting worse? I'm sure I heard similar stories of kids getting shot/stabbed by other kids when I was growing up in the 90s.


I can't find anything that shows age of offender/victim, but murder rates are low compared to the past.

Image

Thanks.

I think we need to be very careful about supposing these crimes are getting worse without evidence - it's easy to think things were better back in our day. Not saying you're wrong preezy as i'm also not an expert but recency bias and rolling news surely play a part.


We are all getting older, it's no surprise a few of us are now saying "the youth of today are terrible, it was better in my day!" ;)


Knife crime is definitely on the increase. 25k related crimes in 2013/14 to 49k related crimes in 2019/20. It only drops last year to 41k due to covid. From experience it’s back with a vengeance this year but you will have to wait till next year for the stats.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... s/sn04304/

https://benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics/

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/keeping-sa ... -in-detail


Is knife crime on the increase, or is it that changes in legislation and/or police priorities have changed? Is carrying a knife now being recorded more often, where it was more ignored in the past?

From your commons library link:

Image

From that graph, it looks to me like the early 2010s saw a dip, but the graph overall doesn't show today is much different to the last 20 years.


The big problem with FCE is that it is a very specific recording. If you discharge yourself as a lot of stabbing victims, particularly those young and involved in crime do or transferred to a different hospital or care provider then you are not included in the figures.

A finished consultant episode (FCE) is a continuous period of admitted patient care under one consultant within one healthcare provider.


As you say another issue is police recording practices have changed over the years but so have they in the NHS and other bodies. It’s always the case and makes it very difficult to compare records.

All I can do is talk from personal experience and we are definitely dealing with a lot more violence, particularly involving younger males.


I doubt people are discharging themselves at a higher rate now then they were in 2008 or 1998.

Recording practices will change, but I'd be more inclined to trust the NHS figures for this sort of thing. What we care about are injuries/deaths. The NHS can give us a decent picture of that.

The police figures are much harder to get a complete picture over time. New laws will change what is and isn't a crime. A government crackdown will cause figures to spike. Older police who think "well I always carried a penknife, I'm not arresting a kid for it" will have retired. New ways of recording it change the stats.

Personal experience is meaningless when we are talking about a country of almost 70 million people. Personally I think young people today are better than they were 10 years ago. And they are a LOT better than they were in the '90s.


So is your personal experience meaningless or not :lol:

I would say in general the younger population are becoming more considerate, polite and aware of various important issues etc. the good kids are better than they were before however I also believe that the pool of idiots has grown. I’m dealing with an ever increasing number of rude, entitled, disruptive kids in larger groups than before and in areas of the town that you wouldn’t previously have seen them. School safeguarding staff that I speak to regularly say this as well. Again this is down to personal experience which is hard to quantify.


My personal experience statement was put there as a direct contrast to yours.


Which according to you is entirely meaningless. We’ll remember that going forwards ;)


Yes, that was precisely the point.


Good then we.agree :D

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Fri Oct 08, 2021 4:55 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:The latest Question Time is a satisfying watch. The audience was recruited 52/48 in favour of Brexit, but the content is 100/0 in opposition to how it has turned out and against the government in general. It is basically an episode of 'Everyone vs Nadhim Zahawi' :msgreen: :nod:.


I haven't watched the whole thing, but this clip is great.

twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/1446244907086225410



:lol:

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by captain red dog » Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:00 pm

Moggy wrote:Thank strawberry float they don't do anything overtly political like attend Pride events.

Once again, amazing point and bang on the money. How Gary Linekar gets criticism for being political, when he isn't in a political role in the BBC, yet Laura K can party all night with the Tories without even a raised eyebrow is just utterly stupefying.

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by <]:^D » Fri Oct 08, 2021 5:48 pm

so strawberry floating true

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by Dowbocop » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:06 pm

Moggy wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:The latest Question Time is a satisfying watch. The audience was recruited 52/48 in favour of Brexit, but the content is 100/0 in opposition to how it has turned out and against the government in general. It is basically an episode of 'Everyone vs Nadhim Zahawi' :msgreen: :nod:.


I haven't watched the whole thing, but this clip is great.

twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/1446244907086225410



:lol:

And people are laying into Rosie Jones...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58846736

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by Tomous » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:17 pm

Tineash wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
KK wrote:Whether true or not, anyone who has worked in journalism or PR in any form (whether it be music, videogames, politics...) will know this sounds completely plausible, and I think social media has only now made it obvious to the public. Far too much incestuous chumocracy.

Seems to be true. There is footage of Lewis Goodall singing.

Link?


twitter.com/JozefPFurReal/status/1446408357598879752




Genuinely think they should be sacked for this

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by KK » Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:28 am

twitter.com/brokenbottleboy/status/1446733936105861124


twitter.com/raaleh/status/1446452917888749581


I’m now going to start calling myself Special K.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:20 pm

twitter.com/joncstone/status/1446763141736636419



There is nothing more sensitive than a white man who doesn't understand a phrase. :lol:

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by Dowbocop » Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:34 pm

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/joncstone/status/1446763141736636419



There is nothing more sensitive than a white man who doesn't understand a phrase. :lol:

He's Gareth Southgate from that evil universe they sometimes go to in Star Trek.

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by Tomous » Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:37 pm

An ironically extremist view on white priviledge followed by a desire to cancel teachers who push cancel culture. Righto.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:15 pm

I see the gutter press are now trying to Stoke panic buying around grocery shopping now :fp:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:24 pm

BBC News - China-Taiwan tensions: Xi Jinping says 'reunification' must be fulfilled


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-58854081

I see the future looks great :dread: China are very determined to take Taiwan. The world needs to send a strong message together against this. But no war please that would be horrific.

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by Outrunner » Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:05 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:BBC News - China-Taiwan tensions: Xi Jinping says 'reunification' must be fulfilled


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-58854081

I see the future looks great :dread: China are very determined to take Taiwan. The world needs to send a strong message together against this. But no war please that would be horrific.


I'm interested what strong message you'd suggest? Arguably more overt support from Japan, the UK, France etc etc are the very things that are causing escalations from China.

Obviously I'm not saying we should abandon Taiwan, far from it (Taiwan is one of my favourite countries) I'm just not sure what course of action can be taken without escalating the situation.

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by Lex-Man » Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:30 pm

Outrunner wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:BBC News - China-Taiwan tensions: Xi Jinping says 'reunification' must be fulfilled


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-58854081

I see the future looks great :dread: China are very determined to take Taiwan. The world needs to send a strong message together against this. But no war please that would be horrific.


I'm interested what strong message you'd suggest? Arguably more overt support from Japan, the UK, France etc etc are the very things that are causing escalations from China.

Obviously I'm not saying we should abandon Taiwan, far from it (Taiwan is one of my favourite countries) I'm just not sure what course of action can be taken without escalating the situation.


I kind of wonder what would happen if China did invade. If they could do it quickly I imagine that the US wouldn't want to risk nuclear war so would probably back down.

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