Politics Thread 6

[Moggy]

The more I think about that MP yesterday who told people to just get better jobs the more it annoys me and reminds me why the 'bootstrap' rhetoric conservative politicians world over all use works. People who are maybe not struggling as much right now look at that messaging and think yeah, they're not poor because everything is strawberry floating them, they're poor because they're just not working hard enough, lazy poor people expecting everything given to them on a plate.

Yep. It all comes down to wealthy people thinking they work hard.

Maybe they do work hard. But very few of them work as hard as some of the lowest paid people in society. And most of the people that "pulled themselves up by their bootstraps"* coincidentally have wealthy parents...

* interestingly that phrase originally meant it's impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. It's been twisted over the years to mean something people should be able to do.

https://uselessetymology.com/2019/11/07 ... traps/amp/

[Tomous]

I worked hell of a lot harder while working in kitchens and on bars earning a minimum wage salary when I was younger compared to how hard I work now, in my comfy manager role with a middle class salary. It's not even close.

[Stugene]

Its entirely to do with making people associate poverty and low wages being about personal responsibility. You claim that the only reason why people would possibly want to keep working a low paid job is because they chose to. They could easily chose to work another job! Why should we be giving them "benefits" when they chose to not accept a job?

Of course, this oversimplifies the fact that said jobs are usually tens to hundreds of miles away, and are totally unaccessible by public transport - or are so expensive to travel to, or live near, that they would never be able to afford to live outside of poverty. Then there's saying that unemployed people are lazy - same thing, about personal responsibility rather than our society failing to provide employment and financial support for people who are in desperate need in areas of extreme poverty.

Make it about personal choice then you can remove liberties from those how "make" those choices, destroy them financially, paint them as scroungers and lazy - then you can start removing things like their right to vote, their right to social housing, remove their passports, etc. to allow you to further concentrate power amongst the rich (who you still ardently believe you will become one day by supporting Buchananist policies).

[Moggy]

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[Cheeky Devlin]

Its entirely to do with making people associate poverty and low wages being about personal responsibility. You claim that the only reason why people would possibly want to keep working a low paid job is because they chose to. They could easily chose to work another job! Why should we be giving them "benefits" when they chose to not accept a job?

Of course, this oversimplifies the fact that said jobs are usually tens to hundreds of miles away, and are totally unaccessible by public transport - or are so expensive to travel to, or live near, that they would never be able to afford to live outside of poverty. Then there's saying that unemployed people are lazy - same thing, about personal responsibility rather than our society failing to provide employment and financial support for people who are in desperate need in areas of extreme poverty.

Make it about personal choice then you can remove liberties from those how "make" those choices, destroy them financially, paint them as scroungers and lazy - then you can start removing things like their right to vote, their right to social housing, remove their passports, etc. to allow you to further concentrate power amongst the rich (who you still ardently believe you will become one day by supporting Buchananist policies).

[RetroCora]

The more I think about that MP yesterday who told people to just get better jobs the more it annoys me and reminds me why the 'bootstrap' rhetoric conservative politicians world over all use works. People who are maybe not struggling as much right now look at that messaging and think yeah, they're not poor because everything is strawberry floating them, they're poor because they're just not working hard enough, lazy poor people expecting everything given to them on a plate.

Yep. It all comes down to wealthy people thinking they work hard.

Maybe they do work hard. But very few of them work as hard as some of the lowest paid people in society. And most of the people that "pulled themselves up by their bootstraps"* coincidentally have wealthy parents...

* interestingly that phrase originally meant it's impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. It's been twisted over the years to mean something people should be able to do.

https://uselessetymology.com/2019/11/07 ... traps/amp/

I know someone who is convinced that "blood is thicker than water" originally read as "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" which is obviously a completely different read on the saying. If they're true, it's weird how meanings become corrupted over time.

[Tineash]

I know someone who is convinced that "blood is thicker than water" originally read as "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" which is obviously a completely different read on the saying. If they're true, it's weird how meanings become corrupted over time.

"(just) a few bad apples" is the worst of these.

[Hexx]

I know someone who is convinced that "blood is thicker than water" originally read as "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" which is obviously a completely different read on the saying. If they're true, it's weird how meanings become corrupted over time.

"(just) a few bad apples" is the worst of these.

I've always hated the the use of that. The point is a few bad apples is all it takes to spoil the whole barrel.

But it's ALWAYS used to down play the serious of things as in "it's not the whole barrel, just a few bad apples"

GAHHHHHHH

[Xeno]

twitter.com/leftwingsociety/status/1526566202721677315

Can't say she wasn't a champion of small business.

[Nibble]

And a grocer's daughter. It's what she would have wanted.

[Xeno]

I just noticed the price of an egg. strawberry floating Tory scum ripping off the working class.

[Squinty]

I f**king despise your Government!

They really are strawberry floating scum.

[captain red dog]

Tory MP arrested for rape. I wonder if its the same one who got lifted last year. Have no idea who that was though as they were never named!

[captain red dog]

Has anyone heard from Mark Francois? He had quite a high profile a couple of years ago.

Edit: I mean on an unrelated note.

[Sprouty]

Has anyone heard from Mark Francois? He had quite a high profile a couple of years ago.

Edit: I mean on an unrelated note.

I think I know who he is. A Tory MP in his fifties, am I right?

[Stugene]

Its entirely to do with making people associate poverty and low wages being about personal responsibility. You claim that the only reason why people would possibly want to keep working a low paid job is because they chose to. They could easily chose to work another job! Why should we be giving them "benefits" when they chose to not accept a job?

Of course, this oversimplifies the fact that said jobs are usually tens to hundreds of miles away, and are totally unaccessible by public transport - or are so expensive to travel to, or live near, that they would never be able to afford to live outside of poverty. Then there's saying that unemployed people are lazy - same thing, about personal responsibility rather than our society failing to provide employment and financial support for people who are in desperate need in areas of extreme poverty.

Make it about personal choice then you can remove liberties from those how "make" those choices, destroy them financially, paint them as scroungers and lazy - then you can start removing things like their right to vote, their right to social housing, remove their passports, etc. to allow you to further concentrate power amongst the rich (who you still ardently believe you will become one day by supporting Buchananist policies).

Try it yourself!

[Stugene]

Has anyone heard from Mark Francois? He had quite a high profile a couple of years ago.

Edit: I mean on an unrelated note.

I think I know who he is. A Tory MP in his fifties, am I right?

[Taps sign that reads "Expensive Libel Case"]

[Sprouty]

Has anyone heard from Mark Francois? He had quite a high profile a couple of years ago.

Edit: I mean on an unrelated note.

I think I know who he is. A Tory MP in his fifties, am I right?

[Taps sign that reads "Expensive Libel Case"]

Flashback to the time Future demodded me for potential libel.

[KK]

Political things trending on Twitter this evening:



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2. OwenJonesIsABully
6. Mark Francois
8. ToryMP
10. ToryRapist
13. Ed Miliband
23. John Hume
30. Laurence Fox

[Qikz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61487215

Conservative MP arrested on suspicion of rape

Wonder who is it. Tory scum gonna scum.