Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
16
10%
Labour
64
41%
Liberal Democrat
28
18%
Green
22
14%
SNP
16
10%
Brexit Party
4
3%
UKIP
2
1%
Plaid Cymru
3
2%
DUP
1
1%
Sinn Fein
2
1%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 158
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:31 am

Cuttooth wrote:
Drumstick wrote:So apparently it's cool now to leave someone stateless.

The UK considers immigrants and their descendants second class citizens, and it's genuinely pointless to try to argue otherwise.


Yep.

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by OrangeRKN » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:33 am

Drumstick wrote:So apparently it's cool now to leave someone stateless.


I mean, in a certain ideological sense...

(But yes, not in this case!)

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Knoyleo » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:35 am

Meanwhile, fish become British just be getting within a few miles of us.

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by Lagamorph » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:50 am

Reading a bit more into it, this doesn't mean the case against having her citizenship revoked is over, it just means she can't return to the UK whilst the case/appeal is being fought.

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by Tineash » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:54 am

Cuttooth wrote:
Drumstick wrote:So apparently it's cool now to leave someone stateless.

The UK considers immigrants and their descendants second class citizens, and it's genuinely pointless to try to argue otherwise.


Yep, this is the natural consequence of our interpretation of the international laws on statelessness. Note that this could now also apply to UK citizens with EU parentage.
Subject to however the lines of whiteness are drawn at the time, naturally. The Irish will be fine, but the Polish?

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by OrangeRKN » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:00 am

Of course we're all descendants of immigrants so it's really just a convenient excuse to other people for whatever actual underlying intolerance

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by Rex Kramer » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:05 am

There's definitely a big old slice of abdication of responsibility about this whole case. What about others in the same situation? Have they been quietly allowed back in to the UK because they didn't make the front pages a few years back?

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by Jenuall » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:07 am

I'm sure this is going to do wonders to convince other marginalised, disenfranchised, or otherwise susceptible individuals to remain patriotic to the UK! :toot:

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by Drumstick » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:16 am

Jenuall wrote:I'm sure this is going to do wonders to convince other marginalised, disenfranchised, or otherwise susceptible individuals to remain patriotic to the UK! :toot:

Thankfully that bastion of British integrity, Andrew Neil, is chairing an upcoming news network which prides itself on giving a voice to the marginalised demographics within the UK.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:17 am

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ID for foreign looking types = YES!

ID for decent British pub goers = NO!

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by Jenuall » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:19 am

Drumstick wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I'm sure this is going to do wonders to convince other marginalised, disenfranchised, or otherwise susceptible individuals to remain patriotic to the UK! :toot:

Thankfully that bastion of British integrity, Andrew Neil, is chairing an upcoming news network which prides itself on giving a voice to the marginalised demographics within the UK.

I'm excited!

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by Rex Kramer » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:23 am

Drumstick wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I'm sure this is going to do wonders to convince other marginalised, disenfranchised, or otherwise susceptible individuals to remain patriotic to the UK! :toot:

Thankfully that bastion of British integrity, Andrew Neil, is chairing an upcoming news network which prides itself on giving a voice to the marginalised demographics within the UK.

Won't someone think of all the underrepresented middle aged white people.

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by Lagamorph » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:12 pm

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by Drumstick » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:24 pm

Is this point scoring off someone similarly awful or am I missing something?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:09 am

Tories:

"BLM are dangerous! They want to defund the police!!!!"

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Dual » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:17 am

Somehow it's Jeremy Corbyns fault.

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by Drumstick » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:00 am

Any other leader etc. chortle.

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by Jenuall » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:32 am

THE DEAD SPEAK! Somehow Jeremy Corbyn has returned! He dispatches his agents to gather intelligence, while ABBOT, the last hope of the resistance, secretly defunds the police

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by KK » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:36 am

YouGov polling heading into the budget:

YouGov wrote:The chancellor Rishi Sunak remains popular with the public, with 47% saying they have a positive view, compared to 34% who do not, giving him a net score of +13. He is also viewed positively when it comes to the job he is doing as chancellor, with the public backing him in the role by 41% to 21%, giving a net score of +20. This score is better than any of his four predecessors have ever achieved since the Conservatives entered government in 2010.

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He is also by far the most popular politician in frontline politics, outperforming both Boris Johnson (net score -12), and Keir Starmer (-10), as well as other cabinet ministers such as Dominc Raab (-19) and Matt Hancock (-23) on favourability ratings. When it comes to the COVID pandemic specifically the public also have more confidence in Sunak (45% confident vs 36% not confident) than Boris Johnson (37% to 56%) or health secretary Matt Hancock (30% to 54%).

However, Sunak has still experienced a sizeable decline from what were extraordinary favourability ratings back in spring 2020. At his peak in March, 60% of the public thought of him favourably, with just 9% saying they had an unfavourable opinion of the chancellor (a net score of +51).

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Much of this fall in approval has come from 2019 Labour voters. In spring 2020 we saw that there was a generally “rallying to the flag” bounce for the government, and Sunak was a key beneficiary of this. As the pandemic has developed and government performance has been viewed less favourably, voters have moved back towards their party lines. Hence, the number of Labour voters backing Sunak has fallen from 50% in March to only 27% now. While this is fairly big, it should not be shrugged off that just over a quarter of Labour voters still view a Conservative chancellor favourably.

Despite falling approval figures, Sunak is still sitting in a comfortable position as he prepares for his second Budget. His overall figures can partly be explained by how positively the public judge him across key characteristics. He is seen as competent (by 54% to 17% who disagree), decisive (51% to 20%), likable (49% to 20%) and strong (42% to 22%), and is more likely to be seen as trustworthy (35%) than not (28%). In fact, he even has a positive score for competence, decisiveness and likability amongst 2019 Labour voters, and performs better than the Prime Minister amongst the public on all five.

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Part of the reason approval of Sunak has remained positive while that of his colleagues has fallen, could be that his pandemic policies have been viewed more positively than other areas.

Sunak’s most notable policy in his short time in the job has been the furlough scheme, which is currently viewed as a success by 56% of the public. Just 8% see it as a failure. Eat Out to Help Out – the other key policy people tend to associate with Sunak – on the other hand is no longer seen so positively, and may even have harmed his approval over autumn.

On reflection, just 26% see the scheme that ran in August 2020 as a success, 42% a failure, and 26% neither. Even these lukewarm figures, though, are far better than other ministers’ policies. The test and trace app, for example, is seen as a failure by 64% of the public with just 7% seeing it a success. While the handling of restrictions around Christmas time also viewed as a failure (by 63% to 10%).

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Godzilla » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:40 am

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Margaret the milk snatcher? I thought not, it's not a story the libs would tell you. It's a tory legend. Margaret was so powerful and wise that she could take food from voters, even younglings.

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