Politics Thread 6

[Meep]

It's funny to periodically stumble across old articles on the Graun and other centrist outlets moaning about Corbyn being closeted Brexiter and that he was preventing Labour from winning by refusing to consider a second referendum. Then see an immediate shift after the collapse of the red wall in 2019 about how Labour turned people off with its unclear position on Brexit.

[Rocsteady]

I don't see how those are contradictory. Labour's position on Brexit was a strawberry floating shambles.

[Dual]

I don't see how those are contradictory. Labour's position on Brexit was a strawberry floating shambles.

The party of the working class who have no idea what the working class want.

[Moggy]

I don't see how those are contradictory. Labour's position on Brexit was a strawberry floating shambles.

The party of the working class who have no idea what the working class want.

Nobody does, the working class are left wing, right wing, Leavers, Remainers, old, young, male, female, racist, non-racist, greedy, generous, hard working, non-working, clever and stupid.

[Dual]

I don't see how those are contradictory. Labour's position on Brexit was a strawberry floating shambles.

The party of the working class who have no idea what the working class want.

Nobody does, the working class are left wing, right wing, Leavers, Remainers, old, young, male, female, racist, non-racist, greedy, generous, hard working, non-working, clever and stupid.

Well the Tories seemed to have a better grasp of it in 2019.

[Moggy]

I don't see how those are contradictory. Labour's position on Brexit was a strawberry floating shambles.

The party of the working class who have no idea what the working class want.

Nobody does, the working class are left wing, right wing, Leavers, Remainers, old, young, male, female, racist, non-racist, greedy, generous, hard working, non-working, clever and stupid.

Well the Tories seemed to have a better grasp of it in 2019.

Not really. There's not really a mass "working class" anymore. A factory worker in Leeds has little in common with a plumber from Leicester.

[Cuttooth]

I don't see how those are contradictory. Labour's position on Brexit was a strawberry floating shambles.

The party of the working class who have no idea what the working class want.

Nobody does, the working class are left wing, right wing, Leavers, Remainers, old, young, male, female, racist, non-racist, greedy, generous, hard working, non-working, clever and stupid.

Well the Tories seemed to have a better grasp of it in 2019.

Not really. There's not really a mass "working class" anymore. A factory worker in Leeds has little in common with a plumber from Leicester.

Particularly when when middle class people try to convince themselves they're working class because their granddad walked pass a mine once.

[Rex Kramer]

I don't see how those are contradictory. Labour's position on Brexit was a strawberry floating shambles.

The party of the working class who have no idea what the working class want.

Nobody does, the working class are left wing, right wing, Leavers, Remainers, old, young, male, female, racist, non-racist, greedy, generous, hard working, non-working, clever and stupid.

Well the Tories have 5 of those tied up but I'm not sure where they're finding the rest of their vote.

[That]

There's not really a mass "working class" anymore. A factory worker in Leeds has little in common with a plumber from Leicester.

Particularly when when middle class people try to convince themselves they're working class because their granddad walked pass a mine once.

A counter-point to this is that a software engineer and a cleaner have far more in common than either have with a CEO or an investor, because the former both work for a wage, whereas the latter both profit from the investment of capital.

[Moggy]

There's not really a mass "working class" anymore. A factory worker in Leeds has little in common with a plumber from Leicester.

Particularly when when middle class people try to convince themselves they're working class because their granddad walked pass a mine once.

A counter-point to this is that a software engineer and a cleaner have far more in common than either have with a CEO or an investor, because the former both work for a wage, whereas the latter both profit from the investment of capital.

Yep.

One of the things the Tories did well was convincing people that Labour were going to hurt them personally. A wealth tax on the top 5% is a good idea, but the Tories (and the press) easily twisted that into it being a tax on hard workers. Remember that bloke on QT who couldn't believe he was in the top 5% of earners? He didn't feel rich and so thought it was ridiculous that he could be so near the top.

There will be people who fit in the traditional working class bracket (plumbers, electricians etc) who earn enough to put them in the top 5%, but they will never believe that they are. They will have a traditional working class lifestyle, hang out with poorer friends and will moan in the pub that Labour will be taxing them more. And it works, far poorer people will see their mate who's just an honest plumber and be outraged that the working classes have to pay more! Tax the bankers not the tradesmen!

That's why there's no real working class group anymore. It used to be easy to fit people into the classes. Manual work = low paid working class. Clerical work = average/good paid middle class. It's not so simple now though, office workers will earn £20k-£30k, while an electrician is earning £35k-£45k.

This post turned into a ramble.

[VlaSoul]

I don't see how those are contradictory. Labour's position on Brexit was a strawberry floating shambles.

The party of the working class who have no idea what the working class want.

Nobody does, the working class are left wing, right wing, Leavers, Remainers, old, young, male, female, racist, non-racist, greedy, generous, hard working, non-working, clever and stupid.

Well the Tories seemed to have a better grasp of it in 2019.

Not really. There's not really a mass "working class" anymore. A factory worker in Leeds has little in common with a plumber from Leicester.

Particularly when when middle class people try to convince themselves they're working class because their granddad walked pass a mine once.

I have more in common with a miner than I do with a scumfuck reptilian like jeff bezos. The genius of liberal capitalism was to convince the section of the proletariat with the most purchasing power; the middle class; that they had more in common with their bourgeois slave drivers than with their comrades of lesser means. The fabrication of the middle class is a big part of how this system has continued to maintain itself.

The bourgeois do not need to support themselves. Now you may have a degree and earn more than £40,000 a year, but like comrade miner you will eventually die on the streets if you stop working. At the end of the day, the 'middle class' and 'working class' both produce and are given some sort of compensation for their labour, while its surplus is taken by those 'above' them.

[Oblomov Boblomov]

Lots of Tory voters going ballistic at Johnson for his tweet on committing to bring carbon emissions down to net zero by 2050.

I repeat, these people are rotten horrible banana splits and there is no saving them, or saving us from them. We are strawberry floated. Our future is being decided by the will of deranged maniacs and there are too many of them.

[Tomous]

If you ever had any doubt right wingers aren't just selfish twats in it for themselves look at climate change. This is science. It shouldn't be a political issue.

[VlaSoul]

If you ever had any doubt right wingers aren't just selfish twats in it for themselves look at climate change. This is science. It shouldn't be a political issue.

The oil and industry lobbyists decided to make it into one, and the fact that it worked so well is beyond astounding

Lots of Tory voters going ballistic at Johnson for his tweet on committing to bring carbon emissions down to net zero by 2050.

I repeat, these people are rotten horrible banana splits and there is no saving them, or saving us from them. We are strawberry floated. Our future is being decided by the will of deranged maniacs and there are too many of them.

This country has lost its way; what we need is proper BRITISH carbon emissions and BRITISH global warming

[Moggy]

If you ever had any doubt right wingers aren't just selfish twats in it for themselves look at climate change. This is science. It shouldn't be a political issue.

The oil and industry lobbyists decided to make it into one, and the fact that it worked so well is beyond astounding

Lots of Tory voters going ballistic at Johnson for his tweet on committing to bring carbon emissions down to net zero by 2050.

I repeat, these people are rotten horrible banana splits and there is no saving them, or saving us from them. We are strawberry floated. Our future is being decided by the will of deranged maniacs and there are too many of them.

This country has lost its way; what we need is proper BRITISH carbon emissions and BRITISH global warming

BRITISH emissions are the cleanest in THE WORLD.

[KK]

Average newspaper sales for the month of December 2020

Daily Mail: 998,047 (down 12% year-on-year)
Mail on Sunday: 865,439 (-9%)
Metro: 781,293 (-45%)
Evening Standard: 489,830 (-38%)
Daily Mirror: 381,146 (-16%)
Sunday Mirror: 314,314 (-14%)
Daily Express: 249,568 (-15%)
Daily Star: 229,752 (-19%)
Sunday Express: 221,557 (-13%)
i: 148,163 (-32%)
Observer: 147,296 (-10%)
Daily Star Sunday: 143,830 (-14%)
Sunday People: 120,429 (-15%)
Guardian: 114,168 (-14%)
FT: 105,358 (-35%)
The Sun: No longer publically audited.
The Times: "
Daily Telegraph: "

Can't see some of those seeing out the next 2 years.

Just as a comparison, Private Eye sells 231,073, so is now more widely read in print on average than the bottom 8 newspapers. Possibly 9, because the Telegraph wasn't doing very well either.

[Memento Mori]

Private Eye is good value as well- £34 for a year's subscription.

[Grumpy David]

If you ever had any doubt right wingers aren't just selfish twats in it for themselves look at climate change. This is science. It shouldn't be a political issue.

I think there's value to selling the advantages of green tech etc as having Geopolitical benefits.

Not being reliant on dodgy countries for fossil fuel is a huge advantage and very persuasive, this is strengthened further by taking it one step further and not needing to import Green fuel options and having a self sufficient domestic industry for it.

[Moggy]

1 million people still reading the Mail.

[DML]

If you ever had any doubt right wingers aren't just selfish twats in it for themselves look at climate change. This is science. It shouldn't be a political issue.

I think there's value to selling the advantages of green tech etc as having Geopolitical benefits.

Not being reliant on dodgy countries for fossil fuel is a huge advantage and very persuasive, this is strengthened further by taking it one step further and not needing to import Green fuel options and having a self sufficient domestic industry for it.

I love the term 'dodgy countries' when you live in the strawberry floating UK. We've never been shadier!