Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
16
10%
Labour
64
41%
Liberal Democrat
28
18%
Green
22
14%
SNP
16
10%
Brexit Party
4
3%
UKIP
2
1%
Plaid Cymru
3
2%
DUP
1
1%
Sinn Fein
2
1%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 158
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Rocsteady » Fri May 14, 2021 11:40 pm

Lads off to Portugal oioi


Doesn't seem too extreme. Luton's a strawberry floating dump though, hate that airport.

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by Benzin » Sat May 15, 2021 8:24 am

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Lagamorph wrote:It takes a very special kind of moron to start a brawl at an airport of all places.


I’m shocked at the amount of people involved considering people tend to travel in small parties or couples.


I mean if you don't ban travel mid pandemic what do you expect?

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by Tomous » Sat May 15, 2021 9:00 am

twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1393271922595667971




Good thread on Indian variant.

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by Meep » Sat May 15, 2021 11:41 am

We are screwed if there is a vaccine resistant strain. The UK government cannot control transmission, if it was not for the NHS vaccine rollout I dread to think what would have happened.

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by Tomous » Sat May 15, 2021 12:01 pm

They can control transmission, they just continually choose not to.

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by Garth » Sat May 15, 2021 2:25 pm

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by Meep » Sat May 15, 2021 4:49 pm

The coverage of this is still infuriating although perhaps a little better than last time something like this happened. There seems to be wider acknowledgement that it's largest as a result of apartheid and pogroms being carried out against Palestinians. Media are still tiptoeing around the issue though.

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by KK » Sat May 15, 2021 6:01 pm

Arsenal sponsor 'in urgent talks' with club as Mohamed Elneny posts support for Palestine

Arsenal midfielder Mohamed Elneny has posted support for Palestine on social media which has led to a fierce backlash with one of the club's sponsors speaking out

Arsenal sponsor, the Lavazza Group, is holding urgent talks with the club after midfielder Mohamed Elneny posted his support for Palestine.

Tensions continue to escalate between Israel and militant groups in Gaza.

Elneny, who is from Egypt, has posted on Twitter saying: “My heart my soul, my support for you Palestine.”

His message went out to almost 5m followers but has resulted in a backlash from Arsenal ’s Jewish fans because his post included an image called "Palestine Lives Matter" which featured an outline of Israel filled with pro-Palestine images.

Tal Ofer, who is part of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, sought a response from Arsenal's sponsor.

The Lavazza Group has released a statement saying: “We’ll immediately reach out to Arsenal to remark we are concerned about the club associated with such a message.

“Content of this post is totally not aligned with our company values. Lavazza Group is fully committed against racism and antisemitism.”

Rest of the article continues here (the website so laden with strawberry floating crap it won’t load properly on my iPad): https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... e-24114820

Not even going to pretend I understand this matter. YouGov did a poll the other day and turns out the majority of the UK doesn’t exactly get it either. The tweet seems rather benign to me though.

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by Tomous » Sat May 15, 2021 6:23 pm

It's a complicated issue and has been ever since the beginning but anyone parroting "Israel has a right to defend itself" at the moment is basically saying "Israel can do whatever the strawberry float they want because they are beyond criticism"

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by Moggy » Sat May 15, 2021 6:35 pm

Israel has a right to defen.... oh... ;)

I despair that Israel/Palestine will ever be peacefully solved. Israel has the right to exist, Palestine has the right to exist. But I don't think either group will ever agree.

But it's very very clear at the moment which is the wrong side. The overwhelming force Israel is using (and the disgusting rhetoric) is horrifying.

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by Drumstick » Sat May 15, 2021 6:40 pm

They both just need to grow up and leave each other the strawberry float alone.

Case closed.

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by captain red dog » Sat May 15, 2021 6:45 pm

Tomous wrote:It's a complicated issue and has been ever since the beginning but anyone parroting "Israel has a right to defend itself" at the moment is basically saying "Israel can do whatever the strawberry float they want because they are beyond criticism"

It is such a complicated issue, which goes back so far it gets difficult to put the current situation into context. I will say Israel are committing disgusting ethnic cleansing with forced evictions and constantly expanding their settlements. They also commit actions which I feel any other state would be accused of terrorist acts. That is before we get into rights of Palestinians living in Israel. Israel have undoubtedly committed war crimes.

That said, the Palestinians also resort to terror attacks and the rocket attacks on Israel are equally disgusting and shocking.

My only caveat is that the Israeli responsive strikes do generally seem to be accurately targeting rocket launch sites in Palestinian territory, Palestinian strikes seem largely indescriminate. But I have to be very careful here as a lot of the reports on the news are generally pro-Israeli so I'd question the accuracy. The Al Jazeera building I believe has been used for rocket attacks in the past, although I'm not sure if that is the case this time.

Israel did at least give time before levelling that building for people to evacuate, but that's kind of akin to an IRA phone call before they bombed a shopping centre or something (another conflict I'm wary about judging based on moral issues on both sides). Then you have to question why bother levelling the building when the rockets will just get moved to another site. Probably a better, safer tactic to leave the site alone as presumably it will assist the iron dome to know where the attacks are coming from.

Generally I think the iron dome is a marvel of technology and is saving lives on the Israeli side so I see that as a moral good. However, it also has a moral bad in that it emboldens Israel to treat Palestinians like shite with the knowledge they have a degree of protection.

It's a horrendous state of affairs and I don't believe it will be resolved in my life time. I'm a bit miffed at why Biden seems silent on the issue, past Dem presidents have taken a real lead on the issue to try and stop aggression on both sides. Maybe the work is going on behind the scenes.

Edit: Yep I agree with Moggy that the current "war" is largely due to Israeli actions and the disgusting rhetoric. I say war in quotes as I'm not sure it's the right way to describe it.

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by Cuttooth » Sat May 15, 2021 7:55 pm

It's not that complicated even if that's naturally the easiest position for most of us to take (although Drumstick's ongoing "why don't they both grow up?" takes on international conflict is a step above that!). The Israeli government should not be breaking international laws around Palestinian settlements, as it has done for years and years, and should not be raiding holy sites. Israel should not be bombing refugee camps and the press. Its allies should not be funding the state without any conditions to not do those things. No-one should condone Hamas' indiscriminate rocket attacks that injure and kill Israeli citizens should they get through the defences Israel has, but those actions do not balance out against the completely disproportionate and callous actions of the Israeli government and army.

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by Tomous » Sat May 15, 2021 8:14 pm

Cuttooth wrote:It's not that complicated even if that's naturally the easiest position for most of us to take (although Drumstick's ongoing "why don't they both grow up?" takes on international conflict is a step above that!). The Israeli government should not be breaking international laws around Palestinian settlements, as it has done for years and years, and should not be raiding holy sites. Israel should not be bombing refugee camps and the press. Its allies should not be funding the state without any conditions to not do those things. No-one should condone Hamas' indiscriminate rocket attacks that injure and kill Israeli citizens should they get through the defences Israel has, but those actions do not balance out against the completely disproportionate and callous actions of the Israeli government and army.


Exactly this.

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by Tafdolphin » Sat May 15, 2021 8:55 pm

captain red dog wrote:That said, the Palestinians also resort to terror attacks and the rocket attacks on Israel are equally disgusting and shocking.

My only caveat is that the Israeli responsive strikes do generally seem to be accurately targeting rocket launch sites in Palestinian territory, Palestinian strikes seem largely indescriminate. But I have to be very careful here as a lot of the reports on the news are generally pro-Israeli so I'd question the accuracy. The Al Jazeera building I believe has been used for rocket attacks in the past, although I'm not sure if that is the case this time.


Israel bombed a refugee camp and civilian homes using the blanket excuse "Hamas." 8 children, all cousins, were killed in one single attack.

Same for the AP/AlJazeera building - "There were terrorists in there". No evidence.

I'm not an expert on this subject, but calling a few Palestinian rockets as bad as a massive military campaign focused on killing civilians and silencing the media is just plain wrong.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat May 15, 2021 9:32 pm

Whilst it's pretty obvious Israel is using far far far more force that the Hama's/Palestinian side I wouldn't call it a 'few rockets'.

I would describe the situation as Hama's punches Israel so Israel chops off their arm.

I'm not saying Hama's started it or are in the wrong more than Israel. This is a ridiculously complicated situation. I can't see any resolution to it ever. The world definitely needs to be tougher on Israel's general day to day actions though.

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by Dowbocop » Sat May 15, 2021 10:15 pm

KK wrote:
Arsenal sponsor 'in urgent talks' with club as Mohamed Elneny posts support for Palestine

Arsenal midfielder Mohamed Elneny has posted support for Palestine on social media which has led to a fierce backlash with one of the club's sponsors speaking out

Arsenal sponsor, the Lavazza Group, is holding urgent talks with the club after midfielder Mohamed Elneny posted his support for Palestine.

Tensions continue to escalate between Israel and militant groups in Gaza.

Elneny, who is from Egypt, has posted on Twitter saying: “My heart my soul, my support for you Palestine.”

His message went out to almost 5m followers but has resulted in a backlash from Arsenal ’s Jewish fans because his post included an image called "Palestine Lives Matter" which featured an outline of Israel filled with pro-Palestine images.

Tal Ofer, who is part of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, sought a response from Arsenal's sponsor.

The Lavazza Group has released a statement saying: “We’ll immediately reach out to Arsenal to remark we are concerned about the club associated with such a message.

“Content of this post is totally not aligned with our company values. Lavazza Group is fully committed against racism and antisemitism.”

Rest of the article continues here (the website so laden with strawberry floating crap it won’t load properly on my iPad): https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... e-24114820

Not even going to pretend I understand this matter. YouGov did a poll the other day and turns out the majority of the UK doesn’t exactly get it either. The tweet seems rather benign to me though.

If I was Israel and trying to stop shots being taken against me, I wouldn't be trying to reduce Arsenal's involvement with the enemy...

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tomous » Sat May 15, 2021 10:17 pm

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by Cuttooth » Sat May 15, 2021 10:41 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
captain red dog wrote:That said, the Palestinians also resort to terror attacks and the rocket attacks on Israel are equally disgusting and shocking.

My only caveat is that the Israeli responsive strikes do generally seem to be accurately targeting rocket launch sites in Palestinian territory, Palestinian strikes seem largely indescriminate. But I have to be very careful here as a lot of the reports on the news are generally pro-Israeli so I'd question the accuracy. The Al Jazeera building I believe has been used for rocket attacks in the past, although I'm not sure if that is the case this time.


Israel bombed a refugee camp and civilian homes using the blanket excuse "Hamas." 8 children, all cousins, were killed in one single attack.

Same for the AP/AlJazeera building - "There were terrorists in there". No evidence.

I'm not an expert on this subject, but calling a few Palestinian rockets as bad as a massive military campaign focused on killing civilians and silencing the media is just plain wrong.

Just to further this point even more, the AP have released a statement saying they were in that building for 15 years, actively checked whether Hamas were also there in some way (just for the simple fact that they wouldn't want to put their journalists in a targeted area) and are now asking the Israeli government for that proof. The military denied them the chance to retrieve any of their equipment before the strike took place.

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by Tomous » Sat May 15, 2021 11:28 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
captain red dog wrote:That said, the Palestinians also resort to terror attacks and the rocket attacks on Israel are equally disgusting and shocking.

My only caveat is that the Israeli responsive strikes do generally seem to be accurately targeting rocket launch sites in Palestinian territory, Palestinian strikes seem largely indescriminate. But I have to be very careful here as a lot of the reports on the news are generally pro-Israeli so I'd question the accuracy. The Al Jazeera building I believe has been used for rocket attacks in the past, although I'm not sure if that is the case this time.


Israel bombed a refugee camp and civilian homes using the blanket excuse "Hamas." 8 children, all cousins, were killed in one single attack.

Same for the AP/AlJazeera building - "There were terrorists in there". No evidence.

I'm not an expert on this subject, but calling a few Palestinian rockets as bad as a massive military campaign focused on killing civilians and silencing the media is just plain wrong.

Just to further this point even more, the AP have released a statement saying they were in that building for 15 years, actively checked whether Hamas were also there in some way (just for the simple fact that they wouldn't want to put their journalists in a targeted area) and are now asking the Israeli government for that proof. The military denied them the chance to retrieve any of their equipment before the strike took place.


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