Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
16
10%
Labour
64
41%
Liberal Democrat
28
18%
Green
22
14%
SNP
16
10%
Brexit Party
4
3%
UKIP
2
1%
Plaid Cymru
3
2%
DUP
1
1%
Sinn Fein
2
1%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 158
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:45 pm

Bye bye NHS.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by <]:^D » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:56 am

imagine being a Tory voter right now, youre about to get shafted and YOU made it happen

what a bunch of banana splits btw

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by Lex-Man » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:33 am

<]:^D wrote:imagine being a Tory voter right now, youre about to get shafted and YOU made it happen

what a bunch of banana splits btw


I hate talking to Tory supporters they always, they always tell you that you're misreading what's been said, they never defend what there parties actually doing.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tafdolphin » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:35 am

Lex-Man wrote:Bye bye NHS.


Well at least we know one person who won't ever be voting for the Tories again.

Right guys?


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by Lex-Man » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:31 am

Tafdolphin wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:Bye bye NHS.


Well at least we know one person who won't ever be voting for the Tories again.

Right guys?


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Just for clarity I want it acknowledged I've never voted Tory/

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tafdolphin » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:43 am

Lex-Man wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:Bye bye NHS.


Well at least we know one person who won't ever be voting for the Tories again.

Right guys?


RIGHT GUYs?!?!


Just for clarity I want it acknowledged I've never voted Tory/


The very last thing I'd want to do is accidentally associate anyone with He Who Chose Not To Be Named After His Position Got Tough To Defend, so yes I didn't mean you.

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by Lex-Man » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:50 am

Tafdolphin wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:Bye bye NHS.


Well at least we know one person who won't ever be voting for the Tories again.

Right guys?


RIGHT GUYs?!?!


Just for clarity I want it acknowledged I've never voted Tory/


The very last thing I'd want to do is accidentally associate anyone with He Who Chose Not To Be Named After His Position Got Tough To Defend, so yes I didn't mean you.


The thing is they're still defending the Tories but their arguments seem really weak. Like people were defending Boris on Trump, by pointing out that Boris said, "If Trump sorted out North Korea and the middle east he would deserve the noble peace prize" and if Trump did do that he would be deserving of the prize, but failing to acknowledge that the quote implies that there's some chance Trump might be capable of doing that.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by OrangeRKN » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:08 am

The problem the impact of the privatisation of the NHS has on voters is that it remains free at the point of service. Selling parts of it off and contracting out services is a flagrant transfer of public wealth into private profits but people won't necessarily see that. The impact on most people is more insidious - a decline in quality of service due to an increased inefficiency in NHS funding (and a decline in investment due to and increased short-term focus on profit) as more and more of the public funding put towards it is diverted into private hands. Even those ideologically opposed to the existence of an NHS don't necessarily want to dismantle it because there is so much profit to be made from the public purse in owning it instead. The tories weaponise this obfuscation by convincing voters the fears over the NHS are unfounded, which is a lie.

I think it's a hurdle for left-wing campaigning. "Stop selling off the NHS" is a rallying cry and perfectly correct but when voters picture that as hospitals displaying Amazon branding and charging for A&E visits they can see that not happening and think the overall worry unfounded. That seemed to be what happened in the last election anyway.

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by Tomous » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:25 am

OrangeRKN wrote:The problem the impact of the privatisation of the NHS has on voters is that it remains free at the point of service. Selling parts of it off and contracting out services is a flagrant transfer of public wealth into private profits but people won't necessarily see that. The impact on most people is more insidious - a decline in quality of service due to an increased inefficiency in NHS funding (and a decline in investment due to and increased short-term focus on profit) as more and more of the public funding put towards it is diverted into private hands. Even those ideologically opposed to the existence of an NHS don't necessarily want to dismantle it because there is so much profit to be made from the public purse in owning it instead. The tories weaponise this obfuscation by convincing voters the fears over the NHS are unfounded, which is a lie.

I think it's a hurdle for left-wing campaigning. "Stop selling off the NHS" is a rallying cry and perfectly correct but when voters picture that as hospitals displaying Amazon branding and charging for A&E visits they can see that not happening and think the overall worry unfounded. That seemed to be what happened in the last election anyway.



Yeah, spot on.

Unfortunately, milking the public purse dry while still getting elected is the one thing the Tories are good at it. If they were as good at governing the country as they were at doing this we'd be living in an utopia.

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by Dowbocop » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:27 am

OrangeRKN wrote:The problem the impact of the privatisation of the NHS has on voters is that it remains free at the point of service. Selling parts of it off and contracting out services is a flagrant transfer of public wealth into private profits but people won't necessarily see that. The impact on most people is more insidious - a decline in quality of service due to an increased inefficiency in NHS funding (and a decline in investment due to and increased short-term focus on profit) as more and more of the public funding put towards it is diverted into private hands. Even those ideologically opposed to the existence of an NHS don't necessarily want to dismantle it because there is so much profit to be made from the public purse in owning it instead. The tories weaponise this obfuscation by convincing voters the fears over the NHS are unfounded, which is a lie.

I think it's a hurdle for left-wing campaigning. "Stop selling off the NHS" is a rallying cry and perfectly correct but when voters picture that as hospitals displaying Amazon branding and charging for A&E visits they can see that not happening and think the overall worry unfounded. That seemed to be what happened in the last election anyway.

This. Also, the likes of Virgin and Circle don't want A&E, critical care or ICU work. It's expensive, difficult, unpredictable and risky. They want predictable, low risk, routine work that they can pump out at high volume and with squeezed overheads (screening, community care, day case surgeries). Then if gooseberry fool gets real it's off to the NHS with you and they can carry the can if you die.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:28 am

Tomous wrote:
OrangeRKN wrote:The problem the impact of the privatisation of the NHS has on voters is that it remains free at the point of service. Selling parts of it off and contracting out services is a flagrant transfer of public wealth into private profits but people won't necessarily see that. The impact on most people is more insidious - a decline in quality of service due to an increased inefficiency in NHS funding (and a decline in investment due to and increased short-term focus on profit) as more and more of the public funding put towards it is diverted into private hands. Even those ideologically opposed to the existence of an NHS don't necessarily want to dismantle it because there is so much profit to be made from the public purse in owning it instead. The tories weaponise this obfuscation by convincing voters the fears over the NHS are unfounded, which is a lie.

I think it's a hurdle for left-wing campaigning. "Stop selling off the NHS" is a rallying cry and perfectly correct but when voters picture that as hospitals displaying Amazon branding and charging for A&E visits they can see that not happening and think the overall worry unfounded. That seemed to be what happened in the last election anyway.



Yeah, spot on.

Unfortunately, milking the public purse dry while still getting elected is the one thing the Tories are good at it. If they were as good at governing the country as they were at doing this we'd be living in an utopia.

It is frustratingly easy to exploit the profound ignorance of the electorate.

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by Lex-Man » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:08 am

One of the issues is that all of the private companies working in healthcare are spending loads of money and making huge losses at the moment so that they can provide a better service than the NHS once they've locked down the sector presumably they'll make massive cuts or campaign for large increases in the payment for operations. They are also poaching lots of the best staff and paying them 2x what the NHS pay, which again is great for the staff in the short term but essentially untastable in the long term.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by The Watching Artist » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:41 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:Bye bye NHS.


Well at least we know one person who won't ever be voting for the Tories again.

Right guys?


RIGHT GUYs?!?!


Just for clarity I want it acknowledged I've never voted Tory/


The very last thing I'd want to do is accidentally associate anyone with He Who Chose Not To Be Named After His Position Got Tough To Defend, so yes I didn't mean you.

It was Denster right?

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by Lex-Man » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:26 pm

The Watching Artist wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:Bye bye NHS.


Well at least we know one person who won't ever be voting for the Tories again.

Right guys?


RIGHT GUYs?!?!


Just for clarity I want it acknowledged I've never voted Tory/


The very last thing I'd want to do is accidentally associate anyone with He Who Chose Not To Be Named After His Position Got Tough To Defend, so yes I didn't mean you.

It was Denster right?


No, it wasn't one person either. Being using Reddit a bit and have spoken to a few people I know. They all seem to use a gaslighting strategy to defend supporting the Tories.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tafdolphin » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:25 pm

But yes, I was referring to him and his promise that, should the Tories strawberry float with the NHS, he'd stop voting for them.

I assume this means he'd have to renounce his membership of said party too, and that the paperwork's already done

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:37 pm

That is true, I don't think he'd ever leave the Tories.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:22 pm

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Godzilla » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:39 pm

In Soviet Russia, school attends you!

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Drumstick » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:40 pm

This bunch of utter clowns :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:43 pm

Did the steal the laptops from GCHQ's virus test lab?

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