Politics Thread 6

Fed up talking videogames? Why?

Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
16
10%
Labour
64
41%
Liberal Democrat
28
18%
Green
22
14%
SNP
16
10%
Brexit Party
4
3%
UKIP
2
1%
Plaid Cymru
3
2%
DUP
1
1%
Sinn Fein
2
1%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 158
User avatar
KK
Moderator
Joined in 2008
Location: Botswana
Contact:

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by KK » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:36 pm

The BBC journalist behind the popular “Tomorrow’s Papers Today” service has spoken out on Twitter’s “toxic wasteland” of trolls who target him simply for tweeting the front and back pages of newspapers.

Desk editor Neil Henderson – and sometimes colleagues Helena Wilkinson, Helen Miller and Allie Hodgkins-Brown – is sent the next morning’s papers every night and tweets them as a voluntary service independent of his job at the corporation.

It is loved by scores of Twitter users, with Mr Henderson’s tweets receiving up to 15 million impressions a month.

Yet he and his colleagues are regularly savaged by trolls. This can range from baseless accusations of BBC bias to personal abuse.

In an interview with the Standard, however, he stressed: “We’re not going to be hounded off.”

Tomorrow’s Papers Today was started by colleague Nick Sutton in the early days of Twitter, in 2011. Mr Henderson would help out, before taking over in 2017 when Mr Sutton stepped down.

In that time, Mr Henderson said Twitter has gone from “the best party that you could go to, ever” to “a toxic wasteland”.

In 2008, when Twitter launched, “it was full of people you would never normally meet, saying interesting things you would never normally here.

“It was an educational experience as much as a social experience.”

Now, abuse and trolls are part of that experience - even if the audience as a whole is "largely appreciative".

“While I’m willing to blame Brexit,” Mr Henderson said, “I’m not sure it’s wholly that. I think the problem is that our society is polarising.

“People are at odds and Twitter reflects that passion, that problem. The consensus isn’t there on Twitter. It’s [people] jutting into one another in a brittle, antagonistic kind of way.

“What we experience at Tomorrow’s Papers Today is a kind of backwash from that. Tweeting some front pages – with their opinion, comment, political biases – that puts us in the firing line.

“People come to it and just have a go: ‘Why’s the BBC tweeting that?’”

He added: “There’s a streak of misogyny on Twitter as well. A streak of hatred for women. That is very perturbing and that is aimed at some of my female colleagues.”

But even as newspaper sales continue to decline, Mr Henderson said Tomorrow’s Papers Today remains as useful as ever.

“I think we have a hugely supportive base who like what we do. I love newspapers and believe they are an important part of our culture.

“I also think it’s really important people read things they do not agree with. It’s important for your intellectual framework. That’s why newspapers are vital.

“So we are just going to keep on doing it. We’re not going to be hounded off.”

On a personal level, can it be a chore to tweet 20 newspapers late every night? “I don’t really think of it as a personal sacrifice," Mr Henderson said.

"I’ve sort of reached the age after a day’s work where sitting on the sofa with the cat and my other half watching TV is pretty much all I can do physically! So picking up an iPad or an iPhone is not a huge sacrifice.

“The problems start when you’re at a dinner party or the pub. I’m pulling my phone out in the corner… it gets me a bad reputation as someone obsessed with the news. But that’s pretty minor on the scale of things.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/tomo ... 59766.html

Image
User avatar
captain red dog
Member
Joined in 2008
Location: Bristol, UK

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by captain red dog » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:05 pm

Samuel_1 wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:

twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1183309514411597824



Government apparently going to announce some good old fashioned voter suppression. :toot:

Can they just do this without a vote in parliament?

We live in a time when Parliament can be gooseberry fool down in the aim of "securing the will of the people" so nothing surprises me.

Clearly the Tories are inspired by GOP tactics from the US.

User avatar
Lex-Man
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Lex-Man » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:35 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Samuel_1 wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:

twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1183309514411597824



Government apparently going to announce some good old fashioned voter suppression. :toot:

Can they just do this without a vote in parliament?

We live in a time when Parliament can be gooseberry fool down in the aim of "securing the will of the people" so nothing surprises me.

Clearly the Tories are inspired by GOP tactics from the US.


I feel surprised they've continued doing it. When they rolled out tests the people most affected was the elderly who are much more likely to vote Tory. This could massively backfire.

Amusement under late capitalism is the prolongation of work.
User avatar
Cuttooth
Emeritus
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Cuttooth » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:31 pm

twitter.com/pressgazette/status/1183736765217153024



If only that single dickhead who complained about Munchetty had got involved.

User avatar
Garth
Emeritus
Joined in 2008
Location: Norn Iron

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Garth » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:10 pm

twitter.com/EmmaVardyTV/status/1184131923360342018


lol

User avatar
Garth
Emeritus
Joined in 2008
Location: Norn Iron

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Garth » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:23 pm

twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1184218526267138049


twitter.com/Sandbach/status/1184216422974705664


twitter.com/Sandbach/status/1184231113117618177


User avatar
Samuel_1
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Samuel_1 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:58 am


Supporting My Local Mule Sanctuary Since 11/11/2014.

Donations welcome, please PM me to prevent unwarranted mule kicking.
User avatar
KK
Moderator
Joined in 2008
Location: Botswana
Contact:

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by KK » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 am

If this were ever to be introduced, they’ve said free ID for people without passports or a driving license would be available, so nobody would be blocked from voting.

Image
User avatar
Moggy
"Special"
Joined in 2008
AKA: Moggy

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Moggy » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:29 am

KK wrote:If this were ever to be introduced, they’ve said free ID for people without passports or a driving license would be available, so nobody would be blocked from voting.


They’ve said? Well that’s ok then!

User avatar
Lex-Man
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Lex-Man » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:32 am

Moggy wrote:
KK wrote:If this were ever to be introduced, they’ve said free ID for people without passports or a driving license would be available, so nobody would be blocked from voting.


They’ve said? Well that’s ok then!


Surely it depends how easy it is to get the free id.

Amusement under late capitalism is the prolongation of work.
User avatar
Moggy
"Special"
Joined in 2008
AKA: Moggy

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Moggy » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:35 am

Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
KK wrote:If this were ever to be introduced, they’ve said free ID for people without passports or a driving license would be available, so nobody would be blocked from voting.


They’ve said? Well that’s ok then!


Surely it depends how easy it is to get the free id.


Plus that I don't believe they will provide free ID for people.

User avatar
Skarjo
Emeritus
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Skarjo » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:36 am

Moggy wrote:
KK wrote:If this were ever to be introduced, they’ve said free ID for people without passports or a driving license would be available, so nobody would be blocked from voting.


They’ve said? Well that’s ok then!


I agree that ID laws can be used to suppress votes, but having lived in multiple places that require registration/ID cards for all citizens those IDs have always been free. It's not a completely unreasonable promise.

It's an unreasonable request, definitely, given the cost of such a scheme compared to the tiny amount of voter fraud, but if they say that government IDs will be free I don't think think it's implausible.

Karl wrote:Can't believe I got baited into expressing a political stance on hentai

Skarjo's Scary Stories...
User avatar
That
Dr. Nyaaa~!
Dr. Nyaaa~!
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by That » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:58 pm

Voter ID laws introduce a number of problems:
  • Those currently without ID are statistically more likely to be disabled, elderly, or poor, or of a minority ethnic background
  • Some forms of ID are prohibitively expensive for poor people
  • The documentation required can be difficult for migrants and disabled people to obtain, or too expensive for poor people
  • Even when free ID is issued, the associated travel can be prohibitively inconvenient for disabled or elderly people, or too expensive for poor people
  • Free ID can be made deliberately difficult to obtain, to discourage those who need it from voting
  • ID checks can be enforced in a discriminatory way, for example targeting ethnic minority groups or low-income groups
  • The above factors have actually measurably reduced voter turnout in studies
  • Voter ID legislation is expensive and the money could be spent on better things, especially considering...
  • Voter fraud is simply not a real problem in the UK, so the only reason to introduce voter ID legislation is to shape the voting demographic
The above points are all supported by evidence (in US-based studies) and sourced here: https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

Convincing people some made-up problem is actually real and desperately needs to be solved by putting the boot down on vulnerable or underrepresented people is a classic right-wing tactic.

Voter ID is no different, it's an excuse to target certain social groups and discourage them from voting.

Image
User avatar
Lex-Man
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Lex-Man » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:28 pm

Voter ID laws being a total waste of time as there is no evidence of any where near the amount of fraud necessary to swing an election by making fraudulent votes.

Amusement under late capitalism is the prolongation of work.
User avatar
Skarjo
Emeritus
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Skarjo » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:16 pm

Karl_ wrote:Voter ID laws introduce a number of problems:
  • Those currently without ID are statistically more likely to be disabled, elderly, or poor, or of a minority ethnic background
  • Some forms of ID are prohibitively expensive for poor people
  • The documentation required can be difficult for migrants and disabled people to obtain, or too expensive for poor people
  • Even when free ID is issued, the associated travel can be prohibitively inconvenient for disabled or elderly people, or too expensive for poor people
  • Free ID can be made deliberately difficult to obtain, to discourage those who need it from voting
  • ID checks can be enforced in a discriminatory way, for example targeting ethnic minority groups or low-income groups
  • The above factors have actually measurably reduced voter turnout in studies
  • Voter ID legislation is expensive and the money could be spent on better things, especially considering...
  • Voter fraud is simply not a real problem in the UK, so the only reason to introduce voter ID legislation is to shape the voting demographic
The above points are all supported by evidence (in US-based studies) and sourced here: https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

Convincing people some made-up problem is actually real and desperately needs to be solved by putting the boot down on vulnerable or underrepresented people is a classic right-wing tactic.

Voter ID is no different, it's an excuse to target certain social groups and discourage them from voting.


I agree, the mechanics of introducing a voter ID system is probably a result of a party wanting to exploit to difficulties in order to disenfranchise those least likely to be able to go through the process.

Karl wrote:Can't believe I got baited into expressing a political stance on hentai

Skarjo's Scary Stories...
User avatar
Lex-Man
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Lex-Man » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:22 pm

I'm not sure it's an attempt to disenfranchise people, but I don't really think the reasons matter. It's one of those things that sounds good on paper and when they're told about the problems it's probably easy think of reasons not to care.

Amusement under late capitalism is the prolongation of work.
User avatar
KK
Moderator
Joined in 2008
Location: Botswana
Contact:

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by KK » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:03 pm

YouGov wrote:61% of Britons think people should have to show ID before voting in a General Election according to new YouGov polling

No Card, No Vote: The government outlined plans in the Queen’s speech on Monday to require people to bring photo ID to polling stations in order to vote – but Jeremy Corbyn has said this was an attempt to deny people their democratic rights

61% of Britons say people should have to show identification before they are allowed to vote at a General Election

A quarter (26%) say they should not

Conservative supporters (79%) are much more likely than Lib Dem (51%) or Labour (48%) supporters to say voters should have to show ID.

Image
User avatar
Moggy
"Special"
Joined in 2008
AKA: Moggy

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Moggy » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:05 pm

61% of people are idiots.

User avatar
Tineash
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Tineash » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:07 pm

It sounds good to people, because people are strawberry floating thick.

"exceptionally annoying" - TheTurnipKing
User avatar
That
Dr. Nyaaa~!
Dr. Nyaaa~!
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by That » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:08 pm

Yeah, a lot of the right's ideas are designed to sound reasonable on a surface level. It's pretty easy to invent a fear then promise to deal with that fear, it's actually the basis of nationalist rhetoric. Polls also suggest bringing back hanging would be popular.

Image

Return to “Stuff”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Benzin, Met, poshrule_uk, Skarjo and 550 guests