Politics Thread 6

[Moggy]

twitter.com/RSylvesterTimes/status/1381868969901051906

HE'S TRYING HIS BEST TO UNDERSTAND IT!!!!

[Squinty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business ... 20%251%24s

This is worded confusingly and there is reason for this. I wouldn't mind some clarification on the 40 percent figures quoted.

[Hesk]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-56729631#aoh=16182990299902&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

This is worded confusingly and there is reason for this. I wouldn't mind some clarification on the 40 percent figures quoted.

I'm assuming that the 46.6% increase is 46.6% of the 58% of trade we were left with after the 42% decrease. So levels in February are somewhere around... 76/77% of what they were the year before? If I've done my final bit of sums correctly.

And yeah, I think wordings like this with percentages are usually used to make people think that a 46% increase after a 42% decrease means that we're now doing better than before due to the simple nature of a bigger number. I remember a lot of people struggling with the concept of percentages in this fashion at school and I doubt many people need to learn more than that post-education unless their job depends on it. (And if I've messed up my numbers, I'm going to look very silly saying that )

[Squinty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-56729631#aoh=16182990299902&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

This is worded confusingly and there is reason for this. I wouldn't mind some clarification on the 40 percent figures quoted.

I'm assuming that the 46.6% increase is 46.6% of the 58% of trade we were left with after the 42% decrease. So levels in February are somewhere around... 76/77% of what they were the year before? If I've done my final bit of sums correctly.

And yeah, I think wordings like this with percentages are usually used to make people think that a 46% increase after a 42% decrease means that we're now doing better than before due to the simple nature of a bigger number. I remember a lot of people struggling with the concept of percentages in this fashion at school and I doubt many people need to learn more than that post-education unless their job depends on it. (And if I've messed up my numbers, I'm going to look very silly saying that )

Yeah, I took it to mean this as well, although I did not do the sums for it. I'm glad someone else has came to the same conclusion, it seems likely that it has been worded in a manner that would confuse and mislead people.

[OrangeRKN]

Yeah that's absolutely going to mislead people.

[Tomous]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-56729631#aoh=16182990299902&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

This is worded confusingly and there is reason for this. I wouldn't mind some clarification on the 40 percent figures quoted.

I'm assuming that the 46.6% increase is 46.6% of the 58% of trade we were left with after the 42% decrease. So levels in February are somewhere around... 76/77% of what they were the year before? If I've done my final bit of sums correctly.

And yeah, I think wordings like this with percentages are usually used to make people think that a 46% increase after a 42% decrease means that we're now doing better than before due to the simple nature of a bigger number. I remember a lot of people struggling with the concept of percentages in this fashion at school and I doubt many people need to learn more than that post-education unless their job depends on it. (And if I've messed up my numbers, I'm going to look very silly saying that )

I thought exactly the same thing, and got my calculator out to check

[Jenuall]

It has possibly been updated since earlier but this line from near the top of the article does make the situation pretty clear:

However, the Office for National Statistics said exports were still below last year's levels and imports from the EU had seen a weaker recovery.

[Squinty]

I really shouldn't be shocked with the Beeb doing that, cause they have past form for it. But I am.

[Rex Kramer]

Not only is the use of %'s disingenuous but most of the UKs major European customers were in lockdowns last March and so business had begun to tail off significantly. Have they said what the comparison is to Mar 19?

[Jenuall]

Not only is the use of %'s disingenuous but most of the UKs major European customers were in lockdowns last March and so business had begun to tail off significantly. Have they said what the comparison is to Mar 19?

They provide a shitty graph which isn't very comprehensive but it still shows that things are generally down on the past.



A more useful view would be something that spans the last 5-10 years, I'd be interested to know how each step of the withdrawal since the referendum has potentially impacted trade with the EU.

[Cuttooth]

A Metropolitan Police officer has been jailed for breaking a black man’s knee in front of his children after they had laid flowers on their mother’s grave.

PC Charlie Harrison, 39, was sentenced to two years and three months in prison at Southwark Crown Court on Monday after being found guilty of causing grevious bodily harm (GBH).

Mr Abrahams was leaving a cemetery with his children, having laid flowers on their mother’s grave on New Year’s Eve, 2018, according to reports.

Harrison pulled over in an unmarked patrol car, Southwark Crown Court heard. in plain clothes, with the intention of conducting a police stop.

The officer then used a “leg sweep” on Mr Abrahams, knocking him to the ground and causing him to fracture his knee.

In what a judge called a ‘clear case of racial profiling’, according to The Daily Mail, PC Harrison’s attack left his victim having to seek hospital treatment and use crutches for 12 weeks.

Mr Abrahams reportedly told the court that his children remain scared of police and “fear they will be targeted because of the colour of their skin”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 30527.html

Jesus.

[JCDenton]

I don't know... sounds like overkill.

[OrangeRKN]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-jailed-racial-profiling-b1830527.html

Jesus.

“Following PC Harrison’s conviction, he will now be subject to disciplinary proceedings.”

PC Harrison is currently suspended from duty.

Surely you can't be a police officer if you go to prison for GBH...?

[Jenuall]

Absolutely ridiculous.

I'm sure he did something to provoke though right!

[Squinty]

I was gonna ask how the strawberry float you retain your job after doing something like that, but I went to school with someone who killed someone else and managed to do the same...so...employers love criminals I guess?

[Godzilla]

twitter.com/Independent/status/1381988696556244995

[Prototype]

I was gonna ask how the strawberry float you retain your job after doing something like that, but I went to school with someone who killed someone else and managed to do the same...so...employers love criminals I guess?

No matter how abhorrent the crime the person is accused of, employers can't just say "you're fired lol" they need to follow due process. You'd think that due process would be somewhat expedited though.

[Hexx]

I was gonna ask how the strawberry float you retain your job after doing something like that, but I went to school with someone who killed someone else and managed to do the same...so...employers love criminals I guess?

Contracts of employment will often contain provisions allowing employers to terminate an employee for "bringing X into disrepute".

It doesn't take a conviction to trigger, they chose to stand by him - to the surprise of no one.

Then again if they took action against everyone accused, even just limiting the accusations to sex abuse, they'd run out of staff.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... dApp_Other

[Return_of_the_STAR]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-jailed-racial-profiling-b1830527.html

Jesus.

“Following PC Harrison’s conviction, he will now be subject to disciplinary proceedings.”

PC Harrison is currently suspended from duty.

Surely you can't be a police officer if you go to prison for GBH...?

No, I'm confident he will be sacked. But they have to wait for the conviction (regardless of how obvious a conviction will be) and then have a disciplinary hearing in order to relieve him of his duties as a constable.

[OrangeRKN]

I get waiting for the conviction, its weird that following the conviction it can't just be stated "as per police policy he will lose his job" as you'd assume it a foregone conclusion. That would obviously read better.