Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
16
10%
Labour
64
41%
Liberal Democrat
28
18%
Green
22
14%
SNP
16
10%
Brexit Party
4
3%
UKIP
2
1%
Plaid Cymru
3
2%
DUP
1
1%
Sinn Fein
2
1%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 158
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by Moggy » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:27 pm

Tineash wrote:A "Labour Brexit" - which, please let me be clear, is still a very gooseberry fool idea - would not be no deal. Not being no deal is very very clearly the one thing Labour can decide on. It would also be (most likely) not the same as May's deal, given Labour's interest in 'a' customs union. Being the Laboursplainer is very boring, but quite a lot of people haven't noticed these things at all.


We noticed. I was responding to CRD’s idea that a Corbyn No Deal would be softer.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by That » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:35 pm

Re: the idea of Lexit:

Corbyn is never going to do anything left-wing enough that the EU would balk.

If he did, we could leave at that point to found our new communist utopia.

The "Lexiteers" tacitly supporting a far-right campaign in a right-leaning country, to leave a centrist organisation and enable unrestrained late-capitalist ethnonationalism, because they think that we might one day hypothetically have a communist government, but that this future government would somehow have a democratic mandate for ending capitalism but not simultaneously have a mandate for leaving a trade bloc, are ridiculous. Lexit is a symptom of brainworms.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by Tineash » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:45 pm

Moggy wrote:
Tineash wrote:A "Labour Brexit" - which, please let me be clear, is still a very gooseberry fool idea - would not be no deal. Not being no deal is very very clearly the one thing Labour can decide on. It would also be (most likely) not the same as May's deal, given Labour's interest in 'a' customs union. Being the Laboursplainer is very boring, but quite a lot of people haven't noticed these things at all.


We noticed. I was responding to CRD’s idea that a Corbyn No Deal would be softer.


But there won't ever ever be a Labour no deal, just like there will never ever be a Conservative remain. Both are fantasies (or nightmares).

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by Tineash » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:47 pm

Karl_ wrote:Lexit is a symptom of brainworms.


There should be some healthy leftwing scepticism of the EU and its neoliberal structures, but to fully Lexit? Under these circumstances, lead by this government, with this media? Brainworms.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by Moggy » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:57 pm

Tineash wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Tineash wrote:A "Labour Brexit" - which, please let me be clear, is still a very gooseberry fool idea - would not be no deal. Not being no deal is very very clearly the one thing Labour can decide on. It would also be (most likely) not the same as May's deal, given Labour's interest in 'a' customs union. Being the Laboursplainer is very boring, but quite a lot of people haven't noticed these things at all.


We noticed. I was responding to CRD’s idea that a Corbyn No Deal would be softer.


But there won't ever ever be a Labour no deal, just like there will never ever be a Conservative remain. Both are fantasies (or nightmares).


We know.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by KK » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:21 pm

Boris Johnson reportedly blurted out details of his first private meeting with the Queen within minutes of becoming Prime Minister today.

The incoming premier is said to have loudly told Downing Street staff the monarch said 'I don't know why anyone would want the job' during official audience, as he entered No 10 for the first time.

Revealing private discussions with the head of state is a major breach of royal protocol.

Off to a good start.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by Garth » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:22 pm

twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1154107655260164097


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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by Cuttooth » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:43 pm

Karl_ wrote:The "Lexiteers" tacitly supporting a far-right campaign in a right-leaning country, to leave a centrist organisation and enable unrestrained late-capitalist ethnonationalism, because they think that we might one day hypothetically have a communist government, but that this future government would somehow have a democratic mandate for ending capitalism but not simultaneously have a mandate for leaving a trade bloc, are ridiculous. Lexit is a symptom of brainworms.

Yep. If you still support Brexit or believe the result still deserves unquestionable respect in the face of every anti-democratic, far-right action of the last three years then you are nothing short of complicit in it, no matter the blinkered long term intentions.

Labour's position right now after everything we've seen makes them complicit in the ills Brexit has already unleashed on to the country. The apparent belief that a Labour government will suck all the white imperialist rhetoric out of the Tory Brexit plans and carry out a nice socialist Lexit is either dangerous foolishness or the kind of calculated callousness in allowing minorities and the vulnerable to be thrown under the bus that we would expect of cowardly centrists.

If Labour can't explicitly become the party of Remain, especially with this new no deal government, when even those at the top can recognise the need to do so then they are strawberry floated. Politically and morally strawberry floated.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by Rex Kramer » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:19 am

The best bit about Boris's reshuffle is trying to work out which axed member of the previous cabinet will stick the knife in first based on their 'more time with the family, support the PM' obviously bullshit tweets. My money is on Mordaunt.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by BID0 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:09 am

One of the featured stories on Edge today is the Daily Mail's "the EU must be terrified with Boris at the helm"... :lol: :lol: :lol: you'd think they would have learnt their lesson from those ridiculous Theresa May stories in the early days :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - A New Dawn
by Moggy » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:27 am

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I assume the parliamentary arithmetic will mean Johnson is tempted to call an early election, but the above quote should surely mean that he will do it out of his sense of honour? ;)

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by Hexx » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:43 am

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by KK » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:02 am

twitter.com/ianlaverymp/status/1154305052221329408


twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1154310184975683590


twitter.com/jamescleverly/status/1154307806763331584


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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by Blue Eyes » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:09 am

BoRiS is Ded BraNey And Sez Clever FingS and E is FunNy With FunY HaRe So I LiKe hiM

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by Tineash » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:09 am

More women and BAME storm troopers! We celebrate diversity in the Oberst-Gruppenfuhrers!

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by Moggy » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:25 am

twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1154307056373051393



I feel such pity for those Etonians missing out on a day off.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by Tineash » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:26 am

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1154307056373051393



I feel such pity for those Etonians missing out on a day off.


There is just so much to hate about this rotting country

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by That » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:42 am

Tineash wrote:More women and BAME storm troopers! We celebrate diversity in the Oberst-Gruppenfuhrers!

Why can't you just be happy for the achievement of the first fascist in the Home Office to be both female and ethnic-minority? It's an important milestone that sends a message to little girls everywhere that, no matter their gender or the colour of their skin, they too could grow up to become the xenophobic Thatcher-worshipping authoritarian nationalist in charge of law enforcement and immigration policy in a dystopian hellscape.

You are a brocialist and I hereby declare you #cancelled.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by Moggy » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:50 am

Karl_ wrote:
Tineash wrote:More women and BAME storm troopers! We celebrate diversity in the Oberst-Gruppenfuhrers!

Why can't you just be happy for the achievement of the first fascist in the Home Office to be both female and ethnic-minority? It's an important milestone that sends a message to little girls everywhere that, no matter their gender or the colour of their skin, they too could grow up to become the xenophobic Thatcher-worshipping authoritarian nationalist in charge of law enforcement and immigration policy in a dystopian hellscape.

You are a brocialist and I hereby declare you #cancelled.


Even Hitler had a Jewish friend.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by Irene Demova » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:52 am

twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1154292149053218817



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