Politics Thread 6

[Moggy]

.

What are your thoughts on this story?

twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1276586194969780227

Disgraceful, disgusting. Completely immoral.

Would it happen to murdered white girls?

[Return_of_the_STAR]

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What are your thoughts on this story?

twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1276586194969780227

Disgraceful, disgusting. Completely immoral.

Would it happen to murdered white girls?

I hope it never happens again but I feel it’s just as likely to happen again. I’ve seen no evidence that this involved race. I wouldn’t be surprised if this has happened with dead bodies before (of any race) but it’s never been reported to the police. In fact I would be 99% confident that there are selfies of other officers with dead bodies. More and more (particularly younger officers) lack the situational awareness and regularly take photos of themselves at incidents and share them with friends, family and colleagues. They would then sleep walk into taking them at serious incidents like this.

[Hexx]

Ignore RotS. He's become the forum's stauchest defender of institutiional racism. You won't reach him

[Hypes]

On the subject of racism within the police, this is a shocking incident even by the Met's standards:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ice-arrest

Huugo Boateng was taking part in a charity bike ride with his father along the River Lea in north London when he says he was grabbed from his bike by a plainclothes police officer, threatened with a stun gun and fell face first into thorny bushes.

The 13-year-old told the Observer: “I’d turned around to see if my dad had caught up behind me, and suddenly this man came out of nowhere. He was crazy angry and shouting. I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.”

While he was down on the ground, the teenager says the officer pointed a Taser at him and threatened to shoot. The officer then arrested Huugo and put him in handcuffs. Further down the towpath, his father, Andrew, 43, was told to get on his knees and put his hands behind his back. Andrew was also handcuffed. The two were detained, suspected to have been involved in a stabbing in the area.

The Boatengs, who live in Tottenham, say they were shocked and humiliated by the experience. Huugo suffered lacerations to his face and bruises on his legs, and spent that night sleeping on his parents’ bedroom floor, anxious not to be alone.

[...]

Paton described the scene as “racial profiling at its worst”. The photographer, who lives on a boat on the river, had responded to Andrew’s pleas asking someone to film what was going on. “The mood was defensive, borderline aggressive and patronising,” she said. “I was disgusted. It really drove the issue [of racism] home for me. The way they spoke to Andrew, the way they treated him and kept him in handcuffs so long when he could prove so quickly he was completely innocent and the wrong person. It was just so disappointing to see.”

The family were visited by a community officer later that evening. “Huugo didn’t want them to come in so they stayed on the doorstep and asked if we were OK,” said Andrew, who works at City University. He is also active in local projects including coaching a youth football team and volunteering for the outreach programme Kickoff@3 , which is co-run by a black Metropolitan police officer, Michael Wallace.

“I couldn’t vouch for a more humble and more dedicated member of the community,” said Wallace. “The irony is that Kickoff@3 is about building good relationships with youth and the police, and Andy is instrumental in helping with that programme. The bike ride he was doing was organised by us – we were raising money for a homeless charity and a domestic violence one.”

“There has to be some learning from the police,” said Andrew. “I got this when I was a teenager, and you were taught to keep your head down and stay calm. You’d think by now things would have changed and I wouldn’t have to have that conversation with my own kids. I’ve always taught them to trust the police – I’ve worked on youth and knife crime initiatives with the Met.”

Violently arrested while doing a charity bike ride to raise money for an organisation that actively co-operates with the police.

Which part is racist?

They simply stopped someone who matched the description of a male involved in a stabbing very nearby who was believed to be armed. Whether they handled it wrongly is a different discussion but you can’t simply label it racist because it involved a black male. We have no idea how detailed the description was. He may have matched it down to a tee.

Probably the bit where if it was a white person (and the description too) it wouldn't have happened?

I don’t believe that. You have zero proof of that.

Where's the story of it happening to a white kid?

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Ignore RotS. He's become the forum's stauchest defender of instinctual racism. You won't reach him

Don’t be a dick. Having a different opinion to someone doesn’t make me a racist. You are pathetic.

[Moggy]

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What are your thoughts on this story?

twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1276586194969780227

Disgraceful, disgusting. Completely immoral.

Would it happen to murdered white girls?

I hope it never happens again but I feel it’s just as likely to happen to anyone. I’ve seen no evidence that this involved race. I wouldn’t be surprised if this has happened with dead bodies before (of any race) but it’s never been reported to the police. In fact I would be 99% confident that there are selfies of other officers with dead bodies. More and more (particularly younger officers) lack the situational awareness and regularly take photos of themselves at incidents and share them with friends, family and colleagues. They would then sleep walk into taking them at serious incidents like this.

It's interesting that you think this could be relatively common but you deny any racism in the police.

If officers are so unaware of decent behaviour when it comes to murdered girls, why are you so confident that there's no/little racial prejudices amongst the police?

[Hexx]

Ignore RotS. He's become the forum's stauchest defender of instinctual racism. You won't reach him

Don’t be a dick. Having a different opinion to someone doesn’t make me a racist. You are pathetic.

Talking (well warning) about you, not to you.

But I'd be remiss if I didn't point out I didn't actual call you racist. Stunning attention to detail in reading a post that's only, what, 15 words long? Because that's strawberry floating hilarious.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

On the subject of racism within the police, this is a shocking incident even by the Met's standards:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ice-arrest

Huugo Boateng was taking part in a charity bike ride with his father along the River Lea in north London when he says he was grabbed from his bike by a plainclothes police officer, threatened with a stun gun and fell face first into thorny bushes.

The 13-year-old told the Observer: “I’d turned around to see if my dad had caught up behind me, and suddenly this man came out of nowhere. He was crazy angry and shouting. I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.”

While he was down on the ground, the teenager says the officer pointed a Taser at him and threatened to shoot. The officer then arrested Huugo and put him in handcuffs. Further down the towpath, his father, Andrew, 43, was told to get on his knees and put his hands behind his back. Andrew was also handcuffed. The two were detained, suspected to have been involved in a stabbing in the area.

The Boatengs, who live in Tottenham, say they were shocked and humiliated by the experience. Huugo suffered lacerations to his face and bruises on his legs, and spent that night sleeping on his parents’ bedroom floor, anxious not to be alone.

[...]

Paton described the scene as “racial profiling at its worst”. The photographer, who lives on a boat on the river, had responded to Andrew’s pleas asking someone to film what was going on. “The mood was defensive, borderline aggressive and patronising,” she said. “I was disgusted. It really drove the issue [of racism] home for me. The way they spoke to Andrew, the way they treated him and kept him in handcuffs so long when he could prove so quickly he was completely innocent and the wrong person. It was just so disappointing to see.”

The family were visited by a community officer later that evening. “Huugo didn’t want them to come in so they stayed on the doorstep and asked if we were OK,” said Andrew, who works at City University. He is also active in local projects including coaching a youth football team and volunteering for the outreach programme Kickoff@3 , which is co-run by a black Metropolitan police officer, Michael Wallace.

“I couldn’t vouch for a more humble and more dedicated member of the community,” said Wallace. “The irony is that Kickoff@3 is about building good relationships with youth and the police, and Andy is instrumental in helping with that programme. The bike ride he was doing was organised by us – we were raising money for a homeless charity and a domestic violence one.”

“There has to be some learning from the police,” said Andrew. “I got this when I was a teenager, and you were taught to keep your head down and stay calm. You’d think by now things would have changed and I wouldn’t have to have that conversation with my own kids. I’ve always taught them to trust the police – I’ve worked on youth and knife crime initiatives with the Met.”

Violently arrested while doing a charity bike ride to raise money for an organisation that actively co-operates with the police.

Which part is racist?

They simply stopped someone who matched the description of a male involved in a stabbing very nearby who was believed to be armed. Whether they handled it wrongly is a different discussion but you can’t simply label it racist because it involved a black male. We have no idea how detailed the description was. He may have matched it down to a tee.

Probably the bit where if it was a white person (and the description too) it wouldn't have happened?

I don’t believe that. You have zero proof of that.

Where's the story of it happening to a white kid?

It wouldn’t make the news. I’ve seen a number of people thrown to the floor in a case of mistaken identity. People of all races. The only one I’ve seen with tasers deployed was on a white Eastern European male.

[Hypes]

On the subject of racism within the police, this is a shocking incident even by the Met's standards:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ice-arrest

Huugo Boateng was taking part in a charity bike ride with his father along the River Lea in north London when he says he was grabbed from his bike by a plainclothes police officer, threatened with a stun gun and fell face first into thorny bushes.

The 13-year-old told the Observer: “I’d turned around to see if my dad had caught up behind me, and suddenly this man came out of nowhere. He was crazy angry and shouting. I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.”

While he was down on the ground, the teenager says the officer pointed a Taser at him and threatened to shoot. The officer then arrested Huugo and put him in handcuffs. Further down the towpath, his father, Andrew, 43, was told to get on his knees and put his hands behind his back. Andrew was also handcuffed. The two were detained, suspected to have been involved in a stabbing in the area.

The Boatengs, who live in Tottenham, say they were shocked and humiliated by the experience. Huugo suffered lacerations to his face and bruises on his legs, and spent that night sleeping on his parents’ bedroom floor, anxious not to be alone.

[...]

Paton described the scene as “racial profiling at its worst”. The photographer, who lives on a boat on the river, had responded to Andrew’s pleas asking someone to film what was going on. “The mood was defensive, borderline aggressive and patronising,” she said. “I was disgusted. It really drove the issue [of racism] home for me. The way they spoke to Andrew, the way they treated him and kept him in handcuffs so long when he could prove so quickly he was completely innocent and the wrong person. It was just so disappointing to see.”

The family were visited by a community officer later that evening. “Huugo didn’t want them to come in so they stayed on the doorstep and asked if we were OK,” said Andrew, who works at City University. He is also active in local projects including coaching a youth football team and volunteering for the outreach programme Kickoff@3 , which is co-run by a black Metropolitan police officer, Michael Wallace.

“I couldn’t vouch for a more humble and more dedicated member of the community,” said Wallace. “The irony is that Kickoff@3 is about building good relationships with youth and the police, and Andy is instrumental in helping with that programme. The bike ride he was doing was organised by us – we were raising money for a homeless charity and a domestic violence one.”

“There has to be some learning from the police,” said Andrew. “I got this when I was a teenager, and you were taught to keep your head down and stay calm. You’d think by now things would have changed and I wouldn’t have to have that conversation with my own kids. I’ve always taught them to trust the police – I’ve worked on youth and knife crime initiatives with the Met.”

Violently arrested while doing a charity bike ride to raise money for an organisation that actively co-operates with the police.

Which part is racist?

They simply stopped someone who matched the description of a male involved in a stabbing very nearby who was believed to be armed. Whether they handled it wrongly is a different discussion but you can’t simply label it racist because it involved a black male. We have no idea how detailed the description was. He may have matched it down to a tee.

Probably the bit where if it was a white person (and the description too) it wouldn't have happened?

I don’t believe that. You have zero proof of that.

Where's the story of it happening to a white kid?

It wouldn’t make the news. I’ve seen a number of people thrown to the floor in a case of mistaken identity. People of all races. The only one I’ve seen with tasers deployed was on a white Eastern European male.

Are you in the police?

[Return_of_the_STAR]

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What are your thoughts on this story?

twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1276586194969780227

Disgraceful, disgusting. Completely immoral.

Would it happen to murdered white girls?

I hope it never happens again but I feel it’s just as likely to happen to anyone. I’ve seen no evidence that this involved race. I wouldn’t be surprised if this has happened with dead bodies before (of any race) but it’s never been reported to the police. In fact I would be 99% confident that there are selfies of other officers with dead bodies. More and more (particularly younger officers) lack the situational awareness and regularly take photos of themselves at incidents and share them with friends, family and colleagues. They would then sleep walk into taking them at serious incidents like this.

It's interesting that you think this could be relatively common but you deny any racism in the police.

If officers are so unaware of decent behaviour when it comes to murdered girls, why are you so confident that there's no/little racial prejudices amongst the police?

Of course there are people with racial prejudices in the police. There are all over the world, from every race towards another. That’s not going to go away in our life times. I have not denied any racism in the police. I’ve said previously I’ve not witnessed racist behaviour. That’s a very different thing.

I think it’s very common for younger officers to take selfies of themselves at incidents and crime scenes, it’s a worrying trend. They are glued to their phones. But again where is the evidence this happened just because the girls are black? I’m not saying it didn’t but I’ve seen nothing to suggest so. Maybe it will come out that the pictured were shared with racist intent or comment. But we haven’t heard that yet. All we know is they shared selfies of themselves with the bodies in the background.

[Hexx]

On the subject of racism within the police, this is a shocking incident even by the Met's standards:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ice-arrest

Huugo Boateng was taking part in a charity bike ride with his father along the River Lea in north London when he says he was grabbed from his bike by a plainclothes police officer, threatened with a stun gun and fell face first into thorny bushes.

The 13-year-old told the Observer: “I’d turned around to see if my dad had caught up behind me, and suddenly this man came out of nowhere. He was crazy angry and shouting. I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.”

While he was down on the ground, the teenager says the officer pointed a Taser at him and threatened to shoot. The officer then arrested Huugo and put him in handcuffs. Further down the towpath, his father, Andrew, 43, was told to get on his knees and put his hands behind his back. Andrew was also handcuffed. The two were detained, suspected to have been involved in a stabbing in the area.

The Boatengs, who live in Tottenham, say they were shocked and humiliated by the experience. Huugo suffered lacerations to his face and bruises on his legs, and spent that night sleeping on his parents’ bedroom floor, anxious not to be alone.

[...]

Paton described the scene as “racial profiling at its worst”. The photographer, who lives on a boat on the river, had responded to Andrew’s pleas asking someone to film what was going on. “The mood was defensive, borderline aggressive and patronising,” she said. “I was disgusted. It really drove the issue [of racism] home for me. The way they spoke to Andrew, the way they treated him and kept him in handcuffs so long when he could prove so quickly he was completely innocent and the wrong person. It was just so disappointing to see.”

The family were visited by a community officer later that evening. “Huugo didn’t want them to come in so they stayed on the doorstep and asked if we were OK,” said Andrew, who works at City University. He is also active in local projects including coaching a youth football team and volunteering for the outreach programme Kickoff@3 , which is co-run by a black Metropolitan police officer, Michael Wallace.

“I couldn’t vouch for a more humble and more dedicated member of the community,” said Wallace. “The irony is that Kickoff@3 is about building good relationships with youth and the police, and Andy is instrumental in helping with that programme. The bike ride he was doing was organised by us – we were raising money for a homeless charity and a domestic violence one.”

“There has to be some learning from the police,” said Andrew. “I got this when I was a teenager, and you were taught to keep your head down and stay calm. You’d think by now things would have changed and I wouldn’t have to have that conversation with my own kids. I’ve always taught them to trust the police – I’ve worked on youth and knife crime initiatives with the Met.”

Violently arrested while doing a charity bike ride to raise money for an organisation that actively co-operates with the police.

Which part is racist?

They simply stopped someone who matched the description of a male involved in a stabbing very nearby who was believed to be armed. Whether they handled it wrongly is a different discussion but you can’t simply label it racist because it involved a black male. We have no idea how detailed the description was. He may have matched it down to a tee.

Probably the bit where if it was a white person (and the description too) it wouldn't have happened?

I don’t believe that. You have zero proof of that.

Where's the story of it happening to a white kid?

It wouldn’t make the news. I’ve seen a number of people thrown to the floor in a case of mistaken identity. People of all races. The only one I’ve seen with tasers deployed was on a white Eastern European male.

Are you in the police?

He's always been a bit vague. But he's never ever ever seen any racist behaviour (or if I recall correctly policies) while he's been whatever.

At all.

Based on the last 2 pages you can judge for yourself why that might be the case

Did warn you cupcake

[Cuttooth]

Which part is racist?

They simply stopped someone who matched the description of a male involved in a stabbing very nearby who was believed to be armed. Whether they handled it wrongly is a different discussion but you can’t simply label it racist because it involved a black male. We have no idea how detailed the description was. He may have matched it down to a tee.

The guy is actively involved in police/community co-operation and clearly feels the incident, and the level of force used, was racist. So does an eyewitness. Why is your immediate response an unquestioning defence of the police officers involved?

What would you say to this guy and his son if you or a colleague were there?

[Return_of_the_STAR]

On the subject of racism within the police, this is a shocking incident even by the Met's standards:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ice-arrest

Huugo Boateng was taking part in a charity bike ride with his father along the River Lea in north London when he says he was grabbed from his bike by a plainclothes police officer, threatened with a stun gun and fell face first into thorny bushes.

The 13-year-old told the Observer: “I’d turned around to see if my dad had caught up behind me, and suddenly this man came out of nowhere. He was crazy angry and shouting. I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.”

While he was down on the ground, the teenager says the officer pointed a Taser at him and threatened to shoot. The officer then arrested Huugo and put him in handcuffs. Further down the towpath, his father, Andrew, 43, was told to get on his knees and put his hands behind his back. Andrew was also handcuffed. The two were detained, suspected to have been involved in a stabbing in the area.

The Boatengs, who live in Tottenham, say they were shocked and humiliated by the experience. Huugo suffered lacerations to his face and bruises on his legs, and spent that night sleeping on his parents’ bedroom floor, anxious not to be alone.

[...]

Paton described the scene as “racial profiling at its worst”. The photographer, who lives on a boat on the river, had responded to Andrew’s pleas asking someone to film what was going on. “The mood was defensive, borderline aggressive and patronising,” she said. “I was disgusted. It really drove the issue [of racism] home for me. The way they spoke to Andrew, the way they treated him and kept him in handcuffs so long when he could prove so quickly he was completely innocent and the wrong person. It was just so disappointing to see.”

The family were visited by a community officer later that evening. “Huugo didn’t want them to come in so they stayed on the doorstep and asked if we were OK,” said Andrew, who works at City University. He is also active in local projects including coaching a youth football team and volunteering for the outreach programme Kickoff@3 , which is co-run by a black Metropolitan police officer, Michael Wallace.

“I couldn’t vouch for a more humble and more dedicated member of the community,” said Wallace. “The irony is that Kickoff@3 is about building good relationships with youth and the police, and Andy is instrumental in helping with that programme. The bike ride he was doing was organised by us – we were raising money for a homeless charity and a domestic violence one.”

“There has to be some learning from the police,” said Andrew. “I got this when I was a teenager, and you were taught to keep your head down and stay calm. You’d think by now things would have changed and I wouldn’t have to have that conversation with my own kids. I’ve always taught them to trust the police – I’ve worked on youth and knife crime initiatives with the Met.”

Violently arrested while doing a charity bike ride to raise money for an organisation that actively co-operates with the police.

Which part is racist?

They simply stopped someone who matched the description of a male involved in a stabbing very nearby who was believed to be armed. Whether they handled it wrongly is a different discussion but you can’t simply label it racist because it involved a black male. We have no idea how detailed the description was. He may have matched it down to a tee.

Probably the bit where if it was a white person (and the description too) it wouldn't have happened?

I don’t believe that. You have zero proof of that.

Where's the story of it happening to a white kid?

It wouldn’t make the news. I’ve seen a number of people thrown to the floor in a case of mistaken identity. People of all races. The only one I’ve seen with tasers deployed was on a white Eastern European male.

Are you in the police?

Yes

People have no idea what goes on in the real world. Just what is reported in the media. I’m amazed at some of the incidents I know of that never make the media. Our media only report on stories that they think will get them hits and shares for their websites.

I shouldn’t really be talking about this but on Sunday I attended an incident with 6 girls between the ages of 12 and 15. They ended up being police protected due to the circumstances. In doing so 3 of them had to be physically detained. One of them was face planted on the ground and had to go to hospital. People in the street were videoing it. Will this make the news? No of course it won’t as all the girls were white.

[Hexx]

Anyhooooooooooo...trying to move on to nicer topics as we're about 3 posts away frrom RotS attacking "privledged blacks" for getting in the news or starting "white lives matter" or some such...

twitter.com/IamHappyToast/status/1277538033206808576

And that's with barely doing any work

[Moggy]

.

What are your thoughts on this story?

twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1276586194969780227

Disgraceful, disgusting. Completely immoral.

Would it happen to murdered white girls?

I hope it never happens again but I feel it’s just as likely to happen to anyone. I’ve seen no evidence that this involved race. I wouldn’t be surprised if this has happened with dead bodies before (of any race) but it’s never been reported to the police. In fact I would be 99% confident that there are selfies of other officers with dead bodies. More and more (particularly younger officers) lack the situational awareness and regularly take photos of themselves at incidents and share them with friends, family and colleagues. They would then sleep walk into taking them at serious incidents like this.

It's interesting that you think this could be relatively common but you deny any racism in the police.

If officers are so unaware of decent behaviour when it comes to murdered girls, why are you so confident that there's no/little racial prejudices amongst the police?

Of course there are people with racial prejudices in the police. There are all over the world, from every race towards another. That’s not going to go away in our life times. I have not denied any racism in the police. I’ve said previously I’ve not witnessed racist behaviour. That’s a very different thing.

I think it’s very common for younger officers to take selfies of themselves at incidents and crime scenes, it’s a worrying trend. They are glued to their phones. But again where is the evidence this happened just because the girls are black? I’m not saying it didn’t but I’ve seen nothing to suggest so. Maybe it will come out that the pictured were shared with racist intent or comment. But we haven’t heard that yet. All we know is they shared selfies of themselves with the bodies in the background.

The mother feels the police fobbed her off when she first reported her daughters missing. She's convinced it was because they are a black family on a council estate.

The police then took selfies with the dead bodies and shared those photos with friends. We've never heard of that with murdered white people. And it's very reminiscent of the old US lynching photos, where the public and the police would proudly pose with the swinging corpses. Again, the mother is absolutely convinced there was racism at play.

Then we have (this isn't the police's fault) the utter lack of news coverage over these murders. Two sisters murdered and it barely registered on the national news? I accept not every murder gets covered, but it'd be strawberry floating everywhere if two white sisters were murdered. This only seemed to become a national story because of the selfies and even then it's not a huge story.

Institutional racism is still rife in this country. It's not the old days of screaming the N word and marching to "send 'em home!" (although we may well get back to that) but it's there. It's hidden, it uses dog whistles, but it's there. And more so in organisations like the police who have such a sense of superiority and untouchability.

I guess I should say "not all police". Just way way way too strawberry floating many of them.

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Which part is racist?

They simply stopped someone who matched the description of a male involved in a stabbing very nearby who was believed to be armed. Whether they handled it wrongly is a different discussion but you can’t simply label it racist because it involved a black male. We have no idea how detailed the description was. He may have matched it down to a tee.

The guy is actively involved in police/community co-operation and clearly feels the incident, and the level of force used, was racist. So does an eyewitness. Why is your immediate response an unquestioning defence of the police officers involved?

What would you say to this guy and his son if you or a colleague were there?

If I was there I would know if this was racially motivated or not. As I repeatedly keep saying, I’ve seen no evidence this was racially motivated. Do you know how often people claim an incident is racially motivated? It happens all the time now.

A couple of weeks ago I was tasked to do some door knocks due to complaints that a couple (both white) were smoking cannabis in a communal garden of some flats. I knocked on one door, a black male came to the door, I asked him standard questions, whether he had seen anyone smoking cannabis in the garden etc.. he was fine. his adult son then came bursting out of the door, shouting, threatening me, calling me racist, saying I was accusing his father of smoking cannabis because he was black. I repeatedly tried to explain to him that I was knocking every door in the block to ask the same question and I already had suspicions on who was doing it and it wasn’t them. He continued to shout, threaten and racially abuse me.

Who was the victim in this? Me. A hate incident was booked on with me as the victim.

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Anyhooooooooooo...trying to move on to nicer topics as we're about 3 posts away frrom RotS attacking "privledged blacks" for getting in the news or starting "white lives matter" or some such...

twitter.com/IamHappyToast/status/1277538033206808576

And that's with barely doing any work

Don’t be a racist troll. You can be despicable at times.

I have no issue with the black lives matter movement.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

.

What are your thoughts on this story?

twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1276586194969780227

Disgraceful, disgusting. Completely immoral.

Would it happen to murdered white girls?

I hope it never happens again but I feel it’s just as likely to happen to anyone. I’ve seen no evidence that this involved race. I wouldn’t be surprised if this has happened with dead bodies before (of any race) but it’s never been reported to the police. In fact I would be 99% confident that there are selfies of other officers with dead bodies. More and more (particularly younger officers) lack the situational awareness and regularly take photos of themselves at incidents and share them with friends, family and colleagues. They would then sleep walk into taking them at serious incidents like this.

It's interesting that you think this could be relatively common but you deny any racism in the police.

If officers are so unaware of decent behaviour when it comes to murdered girls, why are you so confident that there's no/little racial prejudices amongst the police?

Of course there are people with racial prejudices in the police. There are all over the world, from every race towards another. That’s not going to go away in our life times. I have not denied any racism in the police. I’ve said previously I’ve not witnessed racist behaviour. That’s a very different thing.

I think it’s very common for younger officers to take selfies of themselves at incidents and crime scenes, it’s a worrying trend. They are glued to their phones. But again where is the evidence this happened just because the girls are black? I’m not saying it didn’t but I’ve seen nothing to suggest so. Maybe it will come out that the pictured were shared with racist intent or comment. But we haven’t heard that yet. All we know is they shared selfies of themselves with the bodies in the background.

The mother feels the police fobbed her off when she first reported her daughters missing. She's convinced it was because they are a black family on a council estate.

The police then took selfies with the dead bodies and shared those photos with friends. We've never heard of that with murdered white people. And it's very reminiscent of the old US lynching photos, where the public and the police would proudly pose with the swinging corpses. Again, the mother is absolutely convinced there was racism at play.

Then we have (this isn't the police's fault) the utter lack of news coverage over these murders. Two sisters murdered and it barely registered on the national news? I accept not every murder gets covered, but it'd be strawberry floating everywhere if two white sisters were murdered. This only seemed to become a national story because of the selfies and even then it's not a huge story.

Institutional racism is still rife in this country. It's not the old days of screaming the N word and marching to "send 'em home!" (although we may well get back to that) but it's there. It's hidden, it uses dog whistles, but it's there. And more so in organisations like the police who have such a sense of superiority and untouchability.

I guess I should say "not all police". Just way way way too strawberry floating many of them.

You would be surprised how many murders don’t make the news.

Two young white boys were found dead in a Northamptonshire town a month ago. A male has been arrested. Hasn’t even made the local news. Violence is out of control in this country.

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I have no issue with the black lives matter movement.

Once again, talking about you not to you. Never said you did though. You've really got to start responding to what people actually said. Since you're desperately defending things based on your experiences/recollections, it really might help m'ok?

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I have no issue with the black lives matter movement.

Once again, talking about you not to you. Never said you did though. You've really got to start responding to what people actually said. Since you're desperately defending things based on your experiences/recollections, it really might help m'ok?

Your behaviour towards me and a few other people on here is disgusting. You haven’t attempted any discussion on here with me at all tonight. Just throwing insults as usual and then you pretend to take the higher ground.