Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
9
10%
Labour
27
31%
Liberal Democrat
24
28%
Green
18
21%
SNP
6
7%
Brexit Party
0
No votes
UKIP
0
No votes
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 86
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Karl_ » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:08 pm

Yeah, a lot of the right's ideas are designed to sound reasonable on a surface level. It's pretty easy to invent a fear then promise to deal with that fear, it's actually the basis of nationalist rhetoric. Polls also suggest bringing back hanging would be popular.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Moggy » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:19 pm

Karl_ wrote:Yeah, a lot of the right's ideas are designed to sound reasonable on a surface level. It's pretty easy to invent a fear then promise to deal with that fear, it's actually the basis of nationalist rhetoric. Polls also suggest bringing back hanging would be popular.


Yep.

“Do you think we should stop voter fraud by bringing in voter ID”

Most people would answer yes, but the real question should be “do you want the government to spend millions “fixing” a problem that doesn’t really exist?”

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by Karl_ » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:21 pm

Anyone catch this disgusting article in The Times that's been roundly condemned on left-Twitter recently?

Only just saw this summary, apologies if it's already been posted, and for the memey format (just lifted it from Reddit).

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Actual Nazi propaganda in a "respected" news source, laying the same rhetorical foundation that previously resulted in state-sanctioned mass murder of disabled people.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Gemini73 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:30 pm

Karl_ wrote:Anyone catch this disgusting article in The Times that's been roundly condemned on left-Twitter recently?

Only just saw this summary, apologies if it's already been posted, and for the memey format (just lifted it from Reddit).

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Actual Nazi propaganda in a "respected" news source, laying the same rhetorical foundation that previously resulted in state-sanctioned mass murder of disabled people.


strawberry floating hell. :dread:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Knoyleo » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:01 pm

Yeah that article is strawberry floating disgusting, but so is the Times in general, so sadly, no surprise.

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by Lex-Man » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:02 pm

Gemini73 wrote:
Karl_ wrote:Anyone catch this disgusting article in The Times that's been roundly condemned on left-Twitter recently?

Only just saw this summary, apologies if it's already been posted, and for the memey format (just lifted it from Reddit).

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Actual Nazi propaganda in a "respected" news source, laying the same rhetorical foundation that previously resulted in state-sanctioned mass murder of disabled people.


strawberry floating hell. :dread:


As a dyslexic person, I've already finished school so I'm quite happy to pull on the ladder behind me. No free laptops for those kids I say. ;)

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
by KK » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:18 pm

Sky News Breaking News -

Labour MP Louise Ellman (Liverpool Riverside) has announced she is leaving the party because she “can no longer advocate voting Labour when it risks Corbyn becoming PM”



'12,000' Asda staff currently face sack in bitter contract dispute

Asda has staff who are refusing to sign the new deal serving 12-week notice periods - but they can still change their minds.

Approximately 12,000 Asda workers are currently facing the sack next month for refusing to sign controversial new contracts, a source has told Sky News.

It is understood all staff who fail to sign the agreement by a 2 November deadline will be dismissed unless the supermarket chain backs down.

Workers who have snubbed the contract are currently serving notice periods but can yet change their minds.

Asda said on Wednesday that the "vast majority" of over 100,000 people affected by the new contract had signed on the dotted line.

The retailer was yet to respond to Sky News' request for a comment about the scale of the crisis.

https://news.sky.com/story/12-000-asda- ... e-11837219

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by Lex-Man » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:35 pm

KK wrote:
Sky News Breaking News -

Labour MP Louise Ellman (Liverpool Riverside) has announced she is leaving the party because she “can no longer advocate voting Labour when it risks Corbyn becoming PM”



'12,000' Asda staff currently face sack in bitter contract dispute

Asda has staff who are refusing to sign the new deal serving 12-week notice periods - but they can still change their minds.

Approximately 12,000 Asda workers are currently facing the sack next month for refusing to sign controversial new contracts, a source has told Sky News.

It is understood all staff who fail to sign the agreement by a 2 November deadline will be dismissed unless the supermarket chain backs down.

Workers who have snubbed the contract are currently serving notice periods but can yet change their minds.

Asda said on Wednesday that the "vast majority" of over 100,000 people affected by the new contract had signed on the dotted line.

The retailer was yet to respond to Sky News' request for a comment about the scale of the crisis.

https://news.sky.com/story/12-000-asda- ... e-11837219


How is that Asda stuff legal? Surely those 12000 staff could just sue for unfair dismissal?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:56 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
KK wrote:
Sky News Breaking News -

Labour MP Louise Ellman (Liverpool Riverside) has announced she is leaving the party because she “can no longer advocate voting Labour when it risks Corbyn becoming PM”



'12,000' Asda staff currently face sack in bitter contract dispute

Asda has staff who are refusing to sign the new deal serving 12-week notice periods - but they can still change their minds.

Approximately 12,000 Asda workers are currently facing the sack next month for refusing to sign controversial new contracts, a source has told Sky News.

It is understood all staff who fail to sign the agreement by a 2 November deadline will be dismissed unless the supermarket chain backs down.

Workers who have snubbed the contract are currently serving notice periods but can yet change their minds.

Asda said on Wednesday that the "vast majority" of over 100,000 people affected by the new contract had signed on the dotted line.

The retailer was yet to respond to Sky News' request for a comment about the scale of the crisis.

https://news.sky.com/story/12-000-asda- ... e-11837219


How is that Asda stuff legal? Surely those 12000 staff could just sue for unfair dismissal?


I don’t believe so, if they want to change your terms and conditions at work they can do so by offering a new contract. If you refuse to sign it then they can give you a notice period for dismissal. It’s entirely legal.

I’ve been given a couple of new contracts at work in the last thirteen years, I’ve not signed a single one and no one seems to have noticed :lol: not sure where that actually leaves me though.

My wife’s whole department had a contract offered to them that no one wanted to sign. The hospital ended up locking them out of the building as they effectively refused to work by not agreeing to the new terms and conditions. The hospital then employed agency staff to fill the vacancies.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
by Skarjo » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:58 am

What's bad about the new ASDA contract?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
by Dannie Lennox_ » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:05 am

Skarjo wrote:What's bad about the new ASDA contract?

This is the first I'm reading about it (in KK's post above) but I'm guessing from what was posted that the issue is the length of the notice period.

Three-month notice periods are, AFAIK, generally the reserve of well-paid, demanding, highly-qualified 'key' jobs in certain sectors; where a business or provider's output would suffer significantly if one of their key staff were lost, so a 12 week notice period gives the firm sufficient time to seek a suitably able replacement. Think engineers, consultants at hospitals, medical researchers, critical police staff, solicitors and the judiciary, etc.

Assigning them to supermarket / retail staff as default is unreasonably draconian by employers, because it's akin to locking them into the sector forever. It can't be justifiable, because (absolutely no offence to entry-level Asda staff) the positions do not require significant training or education or qualification and are therefore among the most straightforward of vacancies to fill. Asda absolutely do not need three months every time a staff member quits to find a replacement.

But for the staff member, shifting the required notice period would make it very hard for them to find another job. If we're being completely honest and practical, very few employers with a vacancy they want to fill will wait an entire quarter to fill that vacancy with an entry-level staff member. Said staff member could always just quit completely, and not serve their notice, but then they're likely to not be given a reference for the time they worked there, and their new job offer may be contingent upon this.

It's a really shoddy thing to do.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
by That's not a growth » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:36 am

the new contracts would mean staff lose paid breaks, have to work bank holidays whether they were contracted to them or not, and impose a four-week notice period where the store can change workers’ shifts.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... w-contract

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
by Moggy » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:40 am

Who would have guessed that being owned by Walmart would make a company act like a bunch of twats?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by Lex-Man » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:24 pm

Gemini73 wrote:
Karl_ wrote:Anyone catch this disgusting article in The Times that's been roundly condemned on left-Twitter recently?

Only just saw this summary, apologies if it's already been posted, and for the memey format (just lifted it from Reddit).

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Actual Nazi propaganda in a "respected" news source, laying the same rhetorical foundation that previously resulted in state-sanctioned mass murder of disabled people.


strawberry floating hell. :dread:


Well it could be worse,

Because the rise of the Nazis is a topic so rarely mentioned these days, least of all in schools, the BBC has produced a helpful three-part explainer of that title (BBC2, Mondays) showing why the story of Hitler is even more relevant today than it was in the 1930s.

Back in the day, the BBC might have been content to strive for an objective take on the subject, perhaps with a voiceover by Samuel West and lots of period footage. But the danger of that approach, the BBC has since realised, is that it runs the risk of viewers making up their own minds what to think. Some of them might not be aware, for example, of the obvious parallels between Hitler, Nigel Farage, Donald Trump, Brexit and, to a lesser extent, Michael Gove.

Enter former Cambridge historian Professor Sir Richard Evans, one of the diverse talking heads who pop up at regular intervals to interpret the story being acted out by young men in brown shirts, Himmler-impersonators, etc. Hitler said he wanted to ‘Make Germany Great Again,’ he explained, and specialised in ‘empty slogans’ which, though vague, were ‘very powerful’. Also, Hitler was a man who ‘represented himself as an ordinary bloke, as it were,’ he told us with
a sneer. Gosh, which contemporary politicians could he possibly have meant?

Actually, we don’t need to guess because Evans keeps telling us via his Remoaner tear-drenched Twitter account and also in articles such as the one he recently wrote for Prospect in which he compared contemporary British politics to those of the Weimar Republic, and attacking both Trump and ‘Johnson and Dominic Cummings and their unelected, hard-right government’ with its plans to ‘force through a disastrous no-deal Brexit without parliamentary approval and against the wishes of the majority of the population’.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/wit ... 7kp0IAi0FU

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
by Garth » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:22 am

Some good news :toot:


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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - The Queen's political broadcast due 14/10/19
by OrangeRKN » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:56 am

Karl_ wrote:article in The Times


Money for education being spent on education!

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
by <]:^D » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:02 am

that times article is strawberry floating shocking :dread:
as someone who is in the education sector it fundamentally misses the point of SEND spending which is to help support all students in mainstream schools as much as possible
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
by Lex-Man » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:03 am

Garth wrote:Some good news :toot:



At least we can take some joy in the DUP having a really bad time.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”
by captain red dog » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:55 am

<]:^D wrote:that times article is strawberry floating shocking :dread:
as someone who is in the education sector it fundamentally misses the point of SEND spending which is to help support all students in mainstream schools as much as possible
:dread:

Totally agree there. SEN (as it's called in my area) is obscenely underfunded. A friend of ours has a child with SEN, and the local school can only afford SEN education for half the week. The other half of the week, she had to pay for her child to go to back to nursery. It's obscene.


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