Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
16
10%
Labour
64
41%
Liberal Democrat
28
18%
Green
22
14%
SNP
16
10%
Brexit Party
4
3%
UKIP
2
1%
Plaid Cymru
3
2%
DUP
1
1%
Sinn Fein
2
1%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 158
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by more heat than light » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:39 am

That vote is way closer than it should have been. A few less defectors to Brexit Party and Tories would have held on to that. :dread:

I guess this shows the remain alliance works though.

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by Moggy » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:47 am

more heat than light wrote:That vote is way closer than it should have been. A few less defectors to Brexit Party and Tories would have held on to that. :dread:

I guess this shows the remain alliance works though.


Yeah it was pretty close, a lot closer than people were expecting. But it was a pretty big swing from 2017.

2010:

Lib Dems: 46.2%
Conservatives: 36.5%

2015:

Conservatives: 41.1%
Lib Dems: 28.3%

2017:

Conservatives: 48.6%
Lib Dems: 29.1%

2019:

Lib Dems: 43.5%
Conservatives: 39.0%




The remain alliance was crucial, let's hope it continues in any future by-elections/general elections.

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by more heat than light » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:05 am

Moggy wrote:The remain alliance was crucial, let's hope it continues in any future by-elections/general elections.


It would be kind of amusing if the Brexit Party manage to prevent Brexit simply by existing.

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by Moggy » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:14 am

more heat than light wrote:
Moggy wrote:The remain alliance was crucial, let's hope it continues in any future by-elections/general elections.


It would be kind of amusing if the Brexit Party manage to prevent Brexit simply by existing.


For some of their MEPs that would be an ideal result. They could continue to pick up a salary from the European Parliament, not do any work and get some sweet gigs on TV news to moan about betrayal.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - And then there was one...
by Moggy » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:55 am

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1157100101791301635



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by Dual » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:11 am

Moggy wrote:The results:

Lib Dems - 13,826 - 43.46%
Tories - 12,401 - 38.98%
Brexit Party - 3,331 - 10.4%
Labour - 1,680 - 5.28%
Monster Raving Loony Party - 334 - 1%
UKIP - 242 - 0.76%


Monster Raving Loony Party beating UKIP. :lol:


just lol @ ukip

This has really cheered me up

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - And then there was one...
by Drumstick » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:49 am

Are there any other by-elections happening soon? :shifty:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - And then there was one...
by Hexx » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:58 am

Imagine that it was Jeremy Corbyn, not Boris Johnson, who became prime minister last week.

Imagine that he had been put there by 93,000 mainly left-wing Labour members. Imagine he then reshaped the Cabinet to make sure it was filled with personal loyalists, immediately sacking almost every centrist minister and creating an extreme sectarian government.

Suppose that within minutes of kissing the hand of the Queen, Corbyn breached royal protocol by briefing the press about what the monarch had told him in private - and that the pound was in free-fall, hitting a two-year low, as the new prime minister committed himself to investing tens of billions of pounds in extra government spending within days of entering office.

Imagine that he'd just ditched his wife of twenty-six years standing, and the mother of his four children, and installed in Downing Street a 31-year old girlfriend.

Now, let’s stretch credulity way beyond the breaking point. Imagine that Corbyn’s new home secretary had been forced to resign in disgrace just two years earlier for secret meetings with a foreign government - and that Corbyn knew this, but still appointed her.

And that his education secretary had also been recently dismissed in disgrace for a gross breach of national security. And that Corbyn knew this too, but refused to answer questions about the appointment. And that the new transport secretary had been found to have had a second job under a pseudonym while an MP - something he admitted to only after years of publicly denying the claims.

Let’s imagine Corbyn’s most senior adviser was in contempt of parliament after refusing to appear before and give evidence to a select committee - yet Corbyn appointed him anyway.

And imagine that Corbyn had promised an independent inquiry into antisemitism during his campaign, only to renege the moment he walked into No 10.

Obviously that’s all too improbable, so there’s no need for a mental experiment to imagine the media response. The outrage. The fury. The disbelief. The mockery.

The newspaper headlines would be universally hostile. Chaos in Downing Street. Corbyn and his government would be flayed alive.

But all this is exactly what happened within days of Johnson entering No 10 last week. The collapsed pound. The girlfriend trouble. The dodgy cabinet appointments. The royal indiscretion.

Admittedly, Johnson has not gone back on promises to investigate antisemitism, but he has reneged on his pledge to hold an independent inquiry into Islamophobia within the Conservative Party. Meanwhile, auto giant Vauxhall has warned it may take part of its manufacturing to southern Europe.

He’s nevertheless been widely praised for a faultless move into Downing Street. “It’s been a good week for Boris Johnson’s government,” drooled Christopher Hope, chief political correspondent for the Daily Telegraph.

The Spectator praised Johnson as a man “dismissed as a philandering clown” but who has “confounded” his critics “at every stage”. The Times discerned Johnson’s “decisive action” in creating his new cabinet. The Telegraph opined that Johnson’s no-deal strategy sent a “clear message to the EU”.

There have been exceptions. Peter Foster, the Telegraph’s Europe editor, has been a constant source of dry analysis of Johnson’s no-deal plans, while the Times also criticised Johnson’s “short-sighted” and “reckless” sacking of popular Scotland minister David Mundell.

But overall, the tone is gushing. I want to ask an important question: has Boris Johnson really gotten off to the flying start that the newspapers say he has? Or could it simply be that the rules of political reporting have changed?

Namely, that whatever Johnson does or says - however incompetent, immoral, ignorant or foolish - is strong, visionary and wise. The rules determine that only Johnson’s opponents can be ruled offside, and only he is allowed to score the goals.

Note that Vote Leave, the political campaigning organisation that won the 2016 referendum, has transferred to form Johnson’s political team in Downing Street. Many newspapers were propaganda outlets for Vote Leave in the weeks running up to the referendum.

They weren’t interested in truth. They were interested in winning. Now they’ve got their man - until last week the Daily Telegraph’s star columnist - into Downing Street. By definition, he can’t do anything wrong.

The Daily Telegraph doesn’t even worry much when Johnson advocates outcomes that threaten the United Kingdom and show every sign of leading to economic failure and collapse. Imagine Corbyn suggested such policies: Telegraph columnists would throw up their hands in horror. Only the Daily Mail, where I am a columnist, has shown consistent scepticism about Johnson.

It's time Fleet Street woke up and asked difficult questions about Johnson's Brexit plans

We’ve seen nothing like this level of command and control of leading Fleet Street papers since the early years of Tony Blair, when editors and media bosses doffed their caps to Blair’s media advisers, Alastair Campbell and Peter Mandelson.

That ended badly. The lack of criticism of New Labour helped create the hubris that led to the Iraq calamity.

It’s time Fleet Street woke up and asked difficult questions about Johnson’s Brexit plans. If Brexit goes wrong, Johnson won’t be forgiven - nor will the papers that backed him. It’s time to end the sycophancy

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - And then there was one...
by Lex-Man » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:13 am

Hexx wrote:
Imagine that it was Jeremy Corbyn, not Boris Johnson, who became prime minister last week.

Imagine that he had been put there by 93,000 mainly left-wing Labour members. Imagine he then reshaped the Cabinet to make sure it was filled with personal loyalists, immediately sacking almost every centrist minister and creating an extreme sectarian government.

Suppose that within minutes of kissing the hand of the Queen, Corbyn breached royal protocol by briefing the press about what the monarch had told him in private - and that the pound was in free-fall, hitting a two-year low, as the new prime minister committed himself to investing tens of billions of pounds in extra government spending within days of entering office.

Imagine that he'd just ditched his wife of twenty-six years standing, and the mother of his four children, and installed in Downing Street a 31-year old girlfriend.

Now, let’s stretch credulity way beyond the breaking point. Imagine that Corbyn’s new home secretary had been forced to resign in disgrace just two years earlier for secret meetings with a foreign government - and that Corbyn knew this, but still appointed her.

And that his education secretary had also been recently dismissed in disgrace for a gross breach of national security. And that Corbyn knew this too, but refused to answer questions about the appointment. And that the new transport secretary had been found to have had a second job under a pseudonym while an MP - something he admitted to only after years of publicly denying the claims.

Let’s imagine Corbyn’s most senior adviser was in contempt of parliament after refusing to appear before and give evidence to a select committee - yet Corbyn appointed him anyway.

And imagine that Corbyn had promised an independent inquiry into antisemitism during his campaign, only to renege the moment he walked into No 10.

Obviously that’s all too improbable, so there’s no need for a mental experiment to imagine the media response. The outrage. The fury. The disbelief. The mockery.

The newspaper headlines would be universally hostile. Chaos in Downing Street. Corbyn and his government would be flayed alive.

But all this is exactly what happened within days of Johnson entering No 10 last week. The collapsed pound. The girlfriend trouble. The dodgy cabinet appointments. The royal indiscretion.

Admittedly, Johnson has not gone back on promises to investigate antisemitism, but he has reneged on his pledge to hold an independent inquiry into Islamophobia within the Conservative Party. Meanwhile, auto giant Vauxhall has warned it may take part of its manufacturing to southern Europe.

He’s nevertheless been widely praised for a faultless move into Downing Street. “It’s been a good week for Boris Johnson’s government,” drooled Christopher Hope, chief political correspondent for the Daily Telegraph.

The Spectator praised Johnson as a man “dismissed as a philandering clown” but who has “confounded” his critics “at every stage”. The Times discerned Johnson’s “decisive action” in creating his new cabinet. The Telegraph opined that Johnson’s no-deal strategy sent a “clear message to the EU”.

There have been exceptions. Peter Foster, the Telegraph’s Europe editor, has been a constant source of dry analysis of Johnson’s no-deal plans, while the Times also criticised Johnson’s “short-sighted” and “reckless” sacking of popular Scotland minister David Mundell.

But overall, the tone is gushing. I want to ask an important question: has Boris Johnson really gotten off to the flying start that the newspapers say he has? Or could it simply be that the rules of political reporting have changed?

Namely, that whatever Johnson does or says - however incompetent, immoral, ignorant or foolish - is strong, visionary and wise. The rules determine that only Johnson’s opponents can be ruled offside, and only he is allowed to score the goals.

Note that Vote Leave, the political campaigning organisation that won the 2016 referendum, has transferred to form Johnson’s political team in Downing Street. Many newspapers were propaganda outlets for Vote Leave in the weeks running up to the referendum.

They weren’t interested in truth. They were interested in winning. Now they’ve got their man - until last week the Daily Telegraph’s star columnist - into Downing Street. By definition, he can’t do anything wrong.

The Daily Telegraph doesn’t even worry much when Johnson advocates outcomes that threaten the United Kingdom and show every sign of leading to economic failure and collapse. Imagine Corbyn suggested such policies: Telegraph columnists would throw up their hands in horror. Only the Daily Mail, where I am a columnist, has shown consistent scepticism about Johnson.

It's time Fleet Street woke up and asked difficult questions about Johnson's Brexit plans

We’ve seen nothing like this level of command and control of leading Fleet Street papers since the early years of Tony Blair, when editors and media bosses doffed their caps to Blair’s media advisers, Alastair Campbell and Peter Mandelson.

That ended badly. The lack of criticism of New Labour helped create the hubris that led to the Iraq calamity.

It’s time Fleet Street woke up and asked difficult questions about Johnson’s Brexit plans. If Brexit goes wrong, Johnson won’t be forgiven - nor will the papers that backed him. It’s time to end the sycophancy


It's a good article but only the Daily Mail?

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by Octoroc » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:32 am

Dual wrote:
Moggy wrote:The results:

Lib Dems - 13,826 - 43.46%
Tories - 12,401 - 38.98%
Brexit Party - 3,331 - 10.4%
Labour - 1,680 - 5.28%
Monster Raving Loony Party - 334 - 1%
UKIP - 242 - 0.76%


Monster Raving Loony Party beating UKIP. :lol:


just lol @ ukip

This has really cheered me up


They should form a loony alliance.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - Cabinet of Curiosities
by <]:^D » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:17 am

Winckle wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Winckle wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:It's the Brecon and Radnorshire by-election today.

If the Lib Dems win (as expected) then the Tories and DUP combined will only have a majority of 1.

Wow that is incredible how even the coalition between them has whittled down to a majority of 1. It may just be that the numbers are actually in favour of blocking no deal, you'd have to assume at least a dozen tory MPs would block it.

Don't rely on Tory "rebels" to actually rebel.


We kind of have to rely on them, otherwise the maths means Johnson can do anything he strawberry floating likes.

They rebelled (both Leave Tories and Remain Tories) against May's withdrawal agreement and I don't believe the Remain Tories will vote for a No Deal or sit back and let it happen. Remain Tories will happily strawberry float the country up in all sorts of ways, but I don't think they'd be supporting No deal.


Also they have slowly been rebeling, that's why they're down to one.

A few of them went to CUKTIG-FC-ML-UK but a few others were caught in scandals or a by election was held. Not a huge amount of rebels.


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by Winckle » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:35 am

<]:^D wrote:
Winckle wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Winckle wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:It's the Brecon and Radnorshire by-election today.

If the Lib Dems win (as expected) then the Tories and DUP combined will only have a majority of 1.

Wow that is incredible how even the coalition between them has whittled down to a majority of 1. It may just be that the numbers are actually in favour of blocking no deal, you'd have to assume at least a dozen tory MPs would block it.

Don't rely on Tory "rebels" to actually rebel.


We kind of have to rely on them, otherwise the maths means Johnson can do anything he strawberry floating likes.

They rebelled (both Leave Tories and Remain Tories) against May's withdrawal agreement and I don't believe the Remain Tories will vote for a No Deal or sit back and let it happen. Remain Tories will happily strawberry float the country up in all sorts of ways, but I don't think they'd be supporting No deal.


Also they have slowly been rebeling, that's why they're down to one.

A few of them went to CUKTIG-FC-ML-UK but a few others were caught in scandals or a by election was held. Not a huge amount of rebels.


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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - And then there was one...
by Moggy » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:40 pm

twitter.com/jamieross7/status/1157046647559471104



:lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - And then there was one...
by Squinty » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:45 pm

Drumstick wrote:Are there any other by-elections happening soon? :shifty:


Might get some defections :datass:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - And then there was one...
by Oblomov Boblomov » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:19 pm

Drumstick wrote:Are there any other by-elections happening soon? :shifty:

Sheffield Hallam in September, although unfortunately we'll be hoping to poach the seat from Labour rather than the Tories.

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by coldspice » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:33 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Drumstick wrote:Are there any other by-elections happening soon? :shifty:

Sheffield Hallam in September, although unfortunately we'll be hoping to poach the seat from Labour rather than the Tories.

Isn't the current MP there technically an independent now? Either way, it's not a Tory unfortunately.

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by Herdanos » Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:09 am

Hexx wrote:
Imagine that it was Jeremy Corbyn, not Boris Johnson, who became prime minister last week.

Imagine that he had been put there by 93,000 mainly left-wing Labour members. Imagine he then reshaped the Cabinet to make sure it was filled with personal loyalists, immediately sacking almost every centrist minister and creating an extreme sectarian government.

Suppose that within minutes of kissing the hand of the Queen, Corbyn breached royal protocol by briefing the press about what the monarch had told him in private - and that the pound was in free-fall, hitting a two-year low, as the new prime minister committed himself to investing tens of billions of pounds in extra government spending within days of entering office.

Imagine that he'd just ditched his wife of twenty-six years standing, and the mother of his four children, and installed in Downing Street a 31-year old girlfriend.

Now, let’s stretch credulity way beyond the breaking point. Imagine that Corbyn’s new home secretary had been forced to resign in disgrace just two years earlier for secret meetings with a foreign government - and that Corbyn knew this, but still appointed her.

And that his education secretary had also been recently dismissed in disgrace for a gross breach of national security. And that Corbyn knew this too, but refused to answer questions about the appointment. And that the new transport secretary had been found to have had a second job under a pseudonym while an MP - something he admitted to only after years of publicly denying the claims.

Let’s imagine Corbyn’s most senior adviser was in contempt of parliament after refusing to appear before and give evidence to a select committee - yet Corbyn appointed him anyway.

And imagine that Corbyn had promised an independent inquiry into antisemitism during his campaign, only to renege the moment he walked into No 10.

Obviously that’s all too improbable, so there’s no need for a mental experiment to imagine the media response. The outrage. The fury. The disbelief. The mockery.

The newspaper headlines would be universally hostile. Chaos in Downing Street. Corbyn and his government would be flayed alive.

But all this is exactly what happened within days of Johnson entering No 10 last week. The collapsed pound. The girlfriend trouble. The dodgy cabinet appointments. The royal indiscretion.

Admittedly, Johnson has not gone back on promises to investigate antisemitism, but he has reneged on his pledge to hold an independent inquiry into Islamophobia within the Conservative Party. Meanwhile, auto giant Vauxhall has warned it may take part of its manufacturing to southern Europe.

He’s nevertheless been widely praised for a faultless move into Downing Street. “It’s been a good week for Boris Johnson’s government,” drooled Christopher Hope, chief political correspondent for the Daily Telegraph.

The Spectator praised Johnson as a man “dismissed as a philandering clown” but who has “confounded” his critics “at every stage”. The Times discerned Johnson’s “decisive action” in creating his new cabinet. The Telegraph opined that Johnson’s no-deal strategy sent a “clear message to the EU”.

There have been exceptions. Peter Foster, the Telegraph’s Europe editor, has been a constant source of dry analysis of Johnson’s no-deal plans, while the Times also criticised Johnson’s “short-sighted” and “reckless” sacking of popular Scotland minister David Mundell.

But overall, the tone is gushing. I want to ask an important question: has Boris Johnson really gotten off to the flying start that the newspapers say he has? Or could it simply be that the rules of political reporting have changed?

Namely, that whatever Johnson does or says - however incompetent, immoral, ignorant or foolish - is strong, visionary and wise. The rules determine that only Johnson’s opponents can be ruled offside, and only he is allowed to score the goals.

Note that Vote Leave, the political campaigning organisation that won the 2016 referendum, has transferred to form Johnson’s political team in Downing Street. Many newspapers were propaganda outlets for Vote Leave in the weeks running up to the referendum.

They weren’t interested in truth. They were interested in winning. Now they’ve got their man - until last week the Daily Telegraph’s star columnist - into Downing Street. By definition, he can’t do anything wrong.

The Daily Telegraph doesn’t even worry much when Johnson advocates outcomes that threaten the United Kingdom and show every sign of leading to economic failure and collapse. Imagine Corbyn suggested such policies: Telegraph columnists would throw up their hands in horror. Only the Daily Mail, where I am a columnist, has shown consistent scepticism about Johnson.

It's time Fleet Street woke up and asked difficult questions about Johnson's Brexit plans

We’ve seen nothing like this level of command and control of leading Fleet Street papers since the early years of Tony Blair, when editors and media bosses doffed their caps to Blair’s media advisers, Alastair Campbell and Peter Mandelson.

That ended badly. The lack of criticism of New Labour helped create the hubris that led to the Iraq calamity.

It’s time Fleet Street woke up and asked difficult questions about Johnson’s Brexit plans. If Brexit goes wrong, Johnson won’t be forgiven - nor will the papers that backed him. It’s time to end the sycophancy


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by Lex-Man » Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:20 am

Minty14 wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Drumstick wrote:Are there any other by-elections happening soon? :shifty:

Sheffield Hallam in September, although unfortunately we'll be hoping to poach the seat from Labour rather than the Tories.

Isn't the current MP there technically an independent now? Either way, it's not a Tory unfortunately.


Yeah he's independent.

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by Garth » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:13 pm

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by KK » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:18 pm

Mystical Ninja Starring Danmon wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Imagine that it was Jeremy Corbyn, not Boris Johnson, who became prime minister last week.

Imagine that he had been put there by 93,000 mainly left-wing Labour members. Imagine he then reshaped the Cabinet to make sure it was filled with personal loyalists, immediately sacking almost every centrist minister and creating an extreme sectarian government.

Suppose that within minutes of kissing the hand of the Queen, Corbyn breached royal protocol by briefing the press about what the monarch had told him in private - and that the pound was in free-fall, hitting a two-year low, as the new prime minister committed himself to investing tens of billions of pounds in extra government spending within days of entering office.

Imagine that he'd just ditched his wife of twenty-six years standing, and the mother of his four children, and installed in Downing Street a 31-year old girlfriend.

Now, let’s stretch credulity way beyond the breaking point. Imagine that Corbyn’s new home secretary had been forced to resign in disgrace just two years earlier for secret meetings with a foreign government - and that Corbyn knew this, but still appointed her.

And that his education secretary had also been recently dismissed in disgrace for a gross breach of national security. And that Corbyn knew this too, but refused to answer questions about the appointment. And that the new transport secretary had been found to have had a second job under a pseudonym while an MP - something he admitted to only after years of publicly denying the claims.

Let’s imagine Corbyn’s most senior adviser was in contempt of parliament after refusing to appear before and give evidence to a select committee - yet Corbyn appointed him anyway.

And imagine that Corbyn had promised an independent inquiry into antisemitism during his campaign, only to renege the moment he walked into No 10.

Obviously that’s all too improbable, so there’s no need for a mental experiment to imagine the media response. The outrage. The fury. The disbelief. The mockery.

The newspaper headlines would be universally hostile. Chaos in Downing Street. Corbyn and his government would be flayed alive.

But all this is exactly what happened within days of Johnson entering No 10 last week. The collapsed pound. The girlfriend trouble. The dodgy cabinet appointments. The royal indiscretion.

Admittedly, Johnson has not gone back on promises to investigate antisemitism, but he has reneged on his pledge to hold an independent inquiry into Islamophobia within the Conservative Party. Meanwhile, auto giant Vauxhall has warned it may take part of its manufacturing to southern Europe.

He’s nevertheless been widely praised for a faultless move into Downing Street. “It’s been a good week for Boris Johnson’s government,” drooled Christopher Hope, chief political correspondent for the Daily Telegraph.

The Spectator praised Johnson as a man “dismissed as a philandering clown” but who has “confounded” his critics “at every stage”. The Times discerned Johnson’s “decisive action” in creating his new cabinet. The Telegraph opined that Johnson’s no-deal strategy sent a “clear message to the EU”.

There have been exceptions. Peter Foster, the Telegraph’s Europe editor, has been a constant source of dry analysis of Johnson’s no-deal plans, while the Times also criticised Johnson’s “short-sighted” and “reckless” sacking of popular Scotland minister David Mundell.

But overall, the tone is gushing. I want to ask an important question: has Boris Johnson really gotten off to the flying start that the newspapers say he has? Or could it simply be that the rules of political reporting have changed?

Namely, that whatever Johnson does or says - however incompetent, immoral, ignorant or foolish - is strong, visionary and wise. The rules determine that only Johnson’s opponents can be ruled offside, and only he is allowed to score the goals.

Note that Vote Leave, the political campaigning organisation that won the 2016 referendum, has transferred to form Johnson’s political team in Downing Street. Many newspapers were propaganda outlets for Vote Leave in the weeks running up to the referendum.

They weren’t interested in truth. They were interested in winning. Now they’ve got their man - until last week the Daily Telegraph’s star columnist - into Downing Street. By definition, he can’t do anything wrong.

The Daily Telegraph doesn’t even worry much when Johnson advocates outcomes that threaten the United Kingdom and show every sign of leading to economic failure and collapse. Imagine Corbyn suggested such policies: Telegraph columnists would throw up their hands in horror. Only the Daily Mail, where I am a columnist, has shown consistent scepticism about Johnson.

It's time Fleet Street woke up and asked difficult questions about Johnson's Brexit plans

We’ve seen nothing like this level of command and control of leading Fleet Street papers since the early years of Tony Blair, when editors and media bosses doffed their caps to Blair’s media advisers, Alastair Campbell and Peter Mandelson.

That ended badly. The lack of criticism of New Labour helped create the hubris that led to the Iraq calamity.

It’s time Fleet Street woke up and asked difficult questions about Johnson’s Brexit plans. If Brexit goes wrong, Johnson won’t be forgiven - nor will the papers that backed him. It’s time to end the sycophancy


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