Politics Thread 6

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
10
9%
Labour
46
40%
Liberal Democrat
26
23%
Green
19
17%
SNP
8
7%
Brexit Party
1
1%
UKIP
1
1%
Plaid Cymru
1
1%
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 114
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:52 pm

Ed Miliband Absolutely destroyed Boris today in the commons :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:21 pm

Well there voting now, looks like the Tories are going to win.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by captain red dog » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:45 pm

Wasn't even close in the end.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:51 pm

If I didn't have to live in this country this would be hilarious.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:57 pm

So what happens next? They are still debating it tomorrow. Does this have to be voted on multiple times?

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by Lex-Man » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:04 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:So what happens next? They are still debating it tomorrow. Does this have to be voted on multiple times?


They have to offer amendments to create a final bill and then they'll vote for that. If that passes then it goes to the lords.

It'll be interesting to see how the EU respond and the US for that matter.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Meep » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:40 pm

The actions taken by this government are so insane I keep expecting theme to reveal their master plan and that it's all some devious ruse. Then I remind myself of Hanlon's razor: never attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Qikz » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:51 pm

strawberry floating tory banana splits

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by DML » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:52 pm

Follow the money. Just desperate to get it over the line any way they can.

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by Lex-Man » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:55 pm

This bill seems destined to do the opposite of what the Tories actually want. I'm unsure if they're hoping to use it to get concessions from the EU or if they're trying to force a no deal that they can sell as the EU's fault. Both seem like high risk strategies IMO.

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by Qikz » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:58 pm

Lex-Man wrote:This bill seems destined to do the opposite of what the Tories actually want. I'm unsure if they're hoping to use it to get concessions from the EU or if they're trying to force a no deal that they can sell as the EU's fault. Both seem like high risk strategies IMO.


The tories are betting everything against the UK economy. They want to crash it as much as possible as they're all disaster capitalists. Look at Rees Mogg. They'll strawberry float our economy then strawberry float off to Europe.

They should be in jail for what they're doing, but they'll get away completely scott free.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:08 am

Qikz wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:This bill seems destined to do the opposite of what the Tories actually want. I'm unsure if they're hoping to use it to get concessions from the EU or if they're trying to force a no deal that they can sell as the EU's fault. Both seem like high risk strategies IMO.


The tories are betting everything against the UK economy. They want to crash it as much as possible as they're all disaster capitalists. Look at Rees Mogg. They'll strawberry float our economy then strawberry float off to Europe.

They should be in jail for what they're doing, but they'll get away completely scott free.


I honestly think they be dumb enough to believe this is a good idea.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Karl_ » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:22 am

I think there's actually a lot of overlap between being genuinely ideologically committed to building fascism, being a selfish rich tosser out to grow your inheritance, and being a bit stupid.

They don't line up by accident, they feed off each other. There's a class of people who benefit from running the country in that way, and who are shaped by the same conditions that make that true.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tomous » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:28 am

Qikz wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:This bill seems destined to do the opposite of what the Tories actually want. I'm unsure if they're hoping to use it to get concessions from the EU or if they're trying to force a no deal that they can sell as the EU's fault. Both seem like high risk strategies IMO.


The tories are betting everything against the UK economy. They want to crash it as much as possible as they're all disaster capitalists. Look at Rees Mogg. They'll strawberry float our economy then strawberry float off to Europe.

They should be in jail for what they're doing, but they'll get away completely scott free.



I agree 100%

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Hexx » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:32 am

You can blame the government all you like - but it’s our shitty electorate who put them in power and still support them after all this.

The cesspit of a country got exactly the government it deserved.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:37 am

Karl_ wrote:I think there's actually a lot of overlap between being genuinely ideologically committed to building fascism, being a selfish rich tosser out to grow your inheritance, and being a bit stupid.

They don't line up by accident, they feed off each other. There's a class of people who benefit from running the country in that way, and who are shaped by the same conditions that make that true.


I'm not actually sure if this distinction actually matters but for me there are two possibilities with the Tory corruption:

1) They are willing throwing the whole country under the bus in the hope that using the fall out they can transfer as much of the countries wealth in their and their mates pockets as possible and then do a runner. So the PPE scandal was a just an attempt to move money to their mates and they never expected working PPE to be delivered to the NHS and breaking international law is an attempt to wreck the country to open it up for exploitation while giving an excuse to blame the EU for everything going wrong.

2) They actually believe that overall they are doing the right thing for this country and they will improve the country while making money for their friends. So the PPE scandal was due to one of their mates saying they could get PPE so being awarding a contract and then screwing up ordering process and buying a bunch of faulty PPE. With the international law they believe that showing the EU how serious they are will make the EU give further concessions.

I actually think point 2 may be closer to the truth although I find it harder to believe because it makes the Tories look incredible stupid and I think I would have more respect for them if point 1 was true.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:00 am

Lex-Man wrote:
Karl_ wrote:I think there's actually a lot of overlap between being genuinely ideologically committed to building fascism, being a selfish rich tosser out to grow your inheritance, and being a bit stupid.

They don't line up by accident, they feed off each other. There's a class of people who benefit from running the country in that way, and who are shaped by the same conditions that make that true.


I'm not actually sure if this distinction actually matters but for me there are two possibilities with the Tory corruption:

1) They are willing throwing the whole country under the bus in the hope that using the fall out they can transfer as much of the countries wealth in their and their mates pockets as possible and then do a runner. So the PPE scandal was a just an attempt to move money to their mates and they never expected working PPE to be delivered to the NHS and breaking international law is an attempt to wreck the country to open it up for exploitation while giving an excuse to blame the EU for everything going wrong.

2) They actually believe that overall they are doing the right thing for this country and they will improve the country while making money for their friends. So the PPE scandal was due to one of their mates saying they could get PPE so being awarding a contract and then screwing up ordering process and buying a bunch of faulty PPE. With the international law they believe that showing the EU how serious they are will make the EU give further concessions.

I actually think point 2 may be closer to the truth although I find it harder to believe because it makes the Tories look incredible stupid and I think I would have more respect for them if point 1 was true.


It's 1. They don't give a gooseberry fool about anybody except themselves and their mates.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:00 pm



ITV telling gammons to strawberry float off. :datass:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Dual » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:12 pm

Wow looks like it's time to defund itv

/a daily mail comment somewhere

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by aayl1 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:49 pm

Moggy wrote:

ITV telling gammons to strawberry float off. :datass:


What's this drama? Completely passed me by what with all the *gestures vaguely *

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