Politics Thread 6

Fed up talking videogames? Why?

Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
11
9%
Labour
50
40%
Liberal Democrat
26
21%
Green
20
16%
SNP
10
8%
Brexit Party
2
2%
UKIP
2
2%
Plaid Cymru
2
2%
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 125
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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Karl_ » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:29 pm

Love it when people say an actual real life event happening to them under capitalism right now is "what life under communism would be like". Cool, might as well give it a punt then right?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Knoyleo » Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:59 pm

Karl_ wrote:Love it when people say an actual real life event happening to them under capitalism right now is "what life under communism would be like". Cool, might as well give it a punt then right?

Related:

twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/status/1379432257652322306


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by VlaSoul » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:00 pm

The backlash against socialist brutalist architecture is strange to me; surely the most important factor is that everyone has at minimum tolerable housing, not how pleasing to the eye the building is. Remember that homelessness is either barely a problem or practically non-existent in developed communist countries, yet remains a pretty strawberry floating big problem in the "developed" capitalist countries.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Oblomov Boblomov » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:16 pm

I want to know who the first person was who wrote "*checks notes*" in a Tweet so I can go back in time and assassinate them.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tomous » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:22 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I want to know who the first person was who wrote "*checks notes*" in a Tweet so I can go back in time and assassinate them.



Here's 4 pages of this forum checking its notes:

search.php?keywords=checks+notes&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Dual » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:25 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I want to know who the first person was who wrote "*checks notes*" in a Tweet so I can go back in time and assassinate them.


Yikes *chef's kiss*

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by Lex-Man » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:29 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I want to know who the first person was who wrote "*checks notes*" in a Tweet so I can go back in time and assassinate them.


twitter.com/ElwoodJBlues/status/1034572113



Now you just need a time machine.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Oblomov Boblomov » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:08 pm

Oh wow :lol: okay, let's do this — Hexx and Taf, you're both next, just as soon as I get back from 2008! :nod:

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by Lex-Man » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:12 pm

I'm thinking of contacting whoever made the tweet and asking if they want to make a non fungible token for it. I could do all the work for a share in the profits.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Tomous » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:18 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Oh wow :lol: okay, let's do this — Hexx and Taf, you're both next, just as soon as I get back from 2008! :nod:



To be fair though, it's unlikely he was the source given the tweet has no likes or retweets-or was that not a thing in 2008?

Either way, you really need to make sure it will work before you kill him.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:37 pm

VlaSoul wrote:The backlash against socialist brutalist architecture is strange to me; surely the most important factor is that everyone has at minimum tolerable housing, not how pleasing to the eye the building is. Remember that homelessness is either barely a problem or practically non-existent in developed communist countries, yet remains a pretty strawberry floating big problem in the "developed" capitalist countries.


All we have to do is take the socialist tower blocks and tart them up with cladding to make them look pretty. What could go wrong?

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by Ironhide » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:53 pm

VlaSoul wrote:The backlash against socialist brutalist architecture is strange to me; surely the most important factor is that everyone has at minimum tolerable housing, not how pleasing to the eye the building is. Remember that homelessness is either barely a problem or practically non-existent in developed communist countries, yet remains a pretty strawberry floating big problem in the "developed" capitalist countries.


I agree.

Its all the aspirational (and largely unattainable to the majority) lifestyle ads you see everywhere that gives people the expectation of everyone being able to afford something you'd see on Grand Designs.

As long as its suitably clean, safe and warm accommodation then I'd say bring on the Eastern block style architecture and help stop people becoming homeless.

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by Lex-Man » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:54 pm

Tomous wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Oh wow :lol: okay, let's do this — Hexx and Taf, you're both next, just as soon as I get back from 2008! :nod:



To be fair though, it's unlikely he was the source given the tweet has no likes or retweets-or was that not a thing in 2008?

Either way, you really need to make sure it will work before you kill him.


Maybe we could just kill everybody who typed *checks notes* on twitter before they posted any tweets that'd work.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Lex-Man » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:56 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Karl_ wrote:Love it when people say an actual real life event happening to them under capitalism right now is "what life under communism would be like". Cool, might as well give it a punt then right?

Related:

twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/status/1379432257652322306



The whole US property market is nuts. They've been building loads of suburban sprawl with loan money from the state governments that don't bring in the enough tax money to pay for the infrastructure so cities are going broke. Also they're building load of really nice high end property in places that will in all likelihood be underwater in my lifetime.

Edit:

I doubt things are much better here. In fact I know there are a load of new build houses in MK that are right on a flood plane.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by VlaSoul » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:06 am

Moggy wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:The backlash against socialist brutalist architecture is strange to me; surely the most important factor is that everyone has at minimum tolerable housing, not how pleasing to the eye the building is. Remember that homelessness is either barely a problem or practically non-existent in developed communist countries, yet remains a pretty strawberry floating big problem in the "developed" capitalist countries.


All we have to do is take the socialist tower blocks and tart them up with cladding to make them look pretty. What could go wrong?

i say we just graffiti dicks on the outside and call it avante garde art

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VlaSoul wrote:The backlash against socialist brutalist architecture is strange to me; surely the most important factor is that everyone has at minimum tolerable housing, not how pleasing to the eye the building is. Remember that homelessness is either barely a problem or practically non-existent in developed communist countries, yet remains a pretty strawberry floating big problem in the "developed" capitalist countries.


I agree.

Its all the aspirational (and largely unattainable to the majority) lifestyle ads you see everywhere that gives people the expectation of everyone being able to afford something you'd see on Grand Designs.

As long as its suitably clean, safe and warm accommodation then I'd say bring on the Eastern block style architecture and help stop people becoming homeless.

Yeah you're right. One of the keys to the success of the capitalistic system is advertising aspects of a rich mans life while convincing people that they can achieve it with enough hard work. The stuff we see now that more resembles brutalist architecture tend to be inner city council estate housing, which further adds to the stigma around it because many people who don't live there will take that sort of look as a symbol of poverty, something they consider themselves above.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:33 am

VlaSoul wrote:
Moggy wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:The backlash against socialist brutalist architecture is strange to me; surely the most important factor is that everyone has at minimum tolerable housing, not how pleasing to the eye the building is. Remember that homelessness is either barely a problem or practically non-existent in developed communist countries, yet remains a pretty strawberry floating big problem in the "developed" capitalist countries.


All we have to do is take the socialist tower blocks and tart them up with cladding to make them look pretty. What could go wrong?

i say we just graffiti dicks on the outside and call it avante garde art

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VlaSoul wrote:The backlash against socialist brutalist architecture is strange to me; surely the most important factor is that everyone has at minimum tolerable housing, not how pleasing to the eye the building is. Remember that homelessness is either barely a problem or practically non-existent in developed communist countries, yet remains a pretty strawberry floating big problem in the "developed" capitalist countries.


I agree.

Its all the aspirational (and largely unattainable to the majority) lifestyle ads you see everywhere that gives people the expectation of everyone being able to afford something you'd see on Grand Designs.

As long as its suitably clean, safe and warm accommodation then I'd say bring on the Eastern block style architecture and help stop people becoming homeless.

Yeah you're right. One of the keys to the success of the capitalistic system is advertising aspects of a rich mans life while convincing people that they can achieve it with enough hard work. The stuff we see now that more resembles brutalist architecture tend to be inner city council estate housing, which further adds to the stigma around it because many people who don't live there will take that sort of look as a symbol of poverty, something they consider themselves above.


I’m not defending the wests attitude towards homelessness here, I agree with the comments above but homelessness is believed to be a big problem in Russia, I wouldn’t call it barely a problem or practically non-existent. Most reports seem to estimate 4-5 million homeless in Russia.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by VlaSoul » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:36 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I’m not defending the wests attitude towards homelessness here, I agree with the comments above but homelessness is believed to be a big problem in Russia, I wouldn’t call it barely a problem or practically non-existent. Most reports seem to estimate 4-5 million homeless in Russia.

Well the Russian Federation hasn't been communist for about 30 years. Homelessness didn't really exist for most of the duration of the USSR, but it became a problem again by the mid 90s.
For a modern example we can look toward Cuba, which has no homelessness despite being throttled by economic sanctions. I guess also China, though a lot of people would hesitate to call them truly socialist.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:42 am

VlaSoul wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I’m not defending the wests attitude towards homelessness here, I agree with the comments above but homelessness is believed to be a big problem in Russia, I wouldn’t call it barely a problem or practically non-existent. Most reports seem to estimate 4-5 million homeless in Russia.

Well the Russian Federation hasn't been communist for about 30 years. Homelessness didn't really exist for most of the duration of the USSR, but it became a problem again by the mid 90s.


Well I did totally forget that Russia was possibly not communist anymore :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Cuttooth » Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:03 am

Just because the Russian state is intensely corrupt doesn't mean it isn't a capitalist economy.

I'm not sure how it can be defined as anything other than capitalist.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6
by Moggy » Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:09 am

Russia is a good example of what happens when a country has capitalism with no regulation at all.

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