Politics Thread 6 - Boris says “porn for everyone!”

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Who will you vote for at the next General Election?

Conservative
9
11%
Labour
26
31%
Liberal Democrat
24
28%
Green
18
21%
SNP
6
7%
Brexit Party
0
No votes
UKIP
0
No votes
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Fein
2
2%
The Independent Group for Change
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 85
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by Garth » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:36 am


Fewer votes in favour compared to the last time.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by Drumstick » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:09 am

:toot:

Defeated via his own proroguing, glorious.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by Moggy » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:20 am

That's 6 votes out of 6 Johnson has lost since becoming PM. But he is a "proven winner" remember. :lol:

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by Drumstick » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:25 am

If and when there is a GE, do people here genuinely believe there will be a Lib Deb surge? I just can't see them picking up more than 25 seats.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by Moggy » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:28 am

Drumstick wrote:If and when there is a GE, do people here genuinely believe there will be a Lib Deb surge? I just can't see them picking up more than 25 seats.


They seem to be doing well just picking up the stragglers from other parties. ;)

I don't think there will be much of a LD surge. I think they will do better than 2015 and 2017 (not hard to do!) but they are not going to reach the heights of 2005 and 2010. 30 seats at the very very best imo.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by Dannie Lennox » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:52 am

It depends. If the opposition parties were smart the LDs could pick up lots of seats.

I have absolutely no idea why Labour, LDs, Greens, SNP and PC aren't talking to one another about the upcoming election. If they agree to only field one candidate from their parties in each constituency (either incumbents or the closest loser from the last GE) they'd wipe out the Conservatives.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by Blue Eyes » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:05 am

So Boycott didn't have to blacken his face to get a knighthood after all. Blackening a woman's eye did the job.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by Blue Eyes » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:20 am

Anyone see that banana split Alan Sugar having a go at Diane Abbott yesterday? He's such an embarrassing thick strawberry floating turd. Hate him.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by Moggy » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:32 am

Mystical Ninja Starring Danmon wrote:It depends. If the opposition parties were smart the LDs could pick up lots of seats.

I have absolutely no idea why Labour, LDs, Greens, SNP and PC aren't talking to one another about the upcoming election. If they agree to only field one candidate from their parties in each constituency (either incumbents or the closest loser from the last GE) they'd wipe out the Conservatives.


I think we make the mistake that those parties are similar, when they are not. They are united in hating the Tories and they (broadly speaking) don't want hard Brexit, but there are major divisions between them.

They are crazy if they don't make some sort of pact though. It's a real opportunity to give Johnson and the Tories a black eye (#sirboycott).

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by Karl_ » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:46 am

Lib Dems are naturally more at home with Tories it seems, when push comes to shove on every issue bar Brexit, they'll compromise to the right not to the left. I think it was Owen Jones that tweeted the other day, "the only consistent Lib Dem policy is to prevent a Labour government." That's why we won't see a pact.

Still, I agree it would be good hypothetically for Labour to step aside in seats that are 100% LD vs. CON and vice versa. There's just probably too much distrust and ideological division.

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by Lex-Man » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:51 am

Karl_ wrote:Lib Dems are naturally more at home with Tories it seems, when push comes to shove on every issue bar Brexit, they'll compromise to the right not to the left. I think it was Owen Jones that tweeted the other day, "the only consistent Lib Dem policy is to prevent a Labour government." That's why we won't see a pact.

Still, I agree it would be good hypothetically for Labour to step aside in seats that are 100% LD vs. CON and vice versa. There's just probably too much distrust and ideological division.


I think that might be true at the moment, but I think previous Lib Dem's have shifted around the political spectrum quite a lot. Also I imagine that even the current form would rather back any of the three previous Labour leaders over BoJo.

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by Lex-Man » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:57 am

Blue Eyes wrote:Anyone see that banana split Alan Sugar having a go at Diane Abbott yesterday? He's such an embarrassing thick strawberry floating turd. Hate him.


I remember him being interviewed years ago about the fall of Amstrad and he washed his hands of their failure saying "I'm a business guy, not a computer geek. How could I have foreseen the importance of software for computing". But as a business guy isn't it your job to know about what your selling or a least hire people to tell you the best course of action. Anyway that's when I lost all respect for him.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by captain red dog » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:02 am

I've never understood why a Tory and Lib Dem pact always seems more possible than a Labour one. For as long a so can remember, generally Lib Dem and Labour have been pretty much aligned on policy. The only big disagreement I remember was over the Iraq war.

But when you compare Lib Dem policy to Tory policy, there are very little similarities.

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by Moggy » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:13 am

captain red dog wrote:I've never understood why a Tory and Lib Dem pact always seems more possible than a Labour one. For as long a so can remember, generally Lib Dem and Labour have been pretty much aligned on policy. The only big disagreement I remember was over the Iraq war.

But when you compare Lib Dem policy to Tory policy, there are very little similarities.


Has anybody said a Tory/LD pact is more possible?

I’d say that was utterly impossible at the moment with their Brexit stances.

Left wingers see the LDs as centre-right, right wingers see them as centre-left. They are either Tory stooges or loony lefties. :lol:

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by Preezy » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:24 am

The perfect blend :datass:

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by Cuttooth » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:22 pm

Drumstick wrote:If and when there is a GE, do people here genuinely believe there will be a Lib Deb surge? I just can't see them picking up more than 25 seats.

It'll depend on how the campaign pans out. Corbyn in the past couple of weeks has started to win back a good chunk of remain support, to the point that I think the Lib Dems were taken aback by the backlash Swinson got from immediately saying no to the idea of a Corbyn led GNU.

The rumoured Lib Dem position to fully revoke Article 50 is a good one that sets them apart from pretty much everyone else, but the Lib Dems had a poor 2017 campaign with a bad, homophobic leader, and they may still struggle against other parties on everything other than Brexit. They are still very unapologetic regarding austerity and will again run into Corbyn who, despite his faults and own poor leadership, really strawberry floating loves a campaign.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by KK » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:47 am

International students will be allowed to stay in the UK for two years after graduation to find a job, under new proposals announced by the Home Office.

The move reverses a decision made in 2012 by then-Home Secretary Theresa May that forced overseas students to leave four months after finishing a degree.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the change would see students "unlock their potential" and begin careers in the UK.

But campaign group Migration Watch called it a "retrograde" step.

The change will apply to international students in the UK - there were around 450,000 last year - who start courses at undergraduate level or above from next year onwards.

They must be studying at an institution with a track record in upholding immigration checks.

Under the proposals, there is no restriction on the kinds of jobs students would have to seek and no cap on numbers.

Chancellor Sajid Javid tweeted that the move was "about time", adding that the government "should have reversed this silly policy years ago".

Alistair Jarvis, chief executive of Universities UK, welcomed the decision, saying it would benefit the UK economy and reinstate the UK as a "first choice study destination".

"Evidence shows that international students bring significant positive social outcomes to the UK as well as £26bn in economic contributions, but for too long the lack of post-study work opportunities in the UK has put us at a competitive disadvantage in attracting those students," he said.

But Alp Mehmet, chairman of Migration Watch UK, said the decision was an "unwise" step that would "likely lead to foreign graduates staying on to stack shelves".

"Our universities are attracting a record number of overseas students so there is no need to devalue a study visa by turning it into a backdoor route for working here," he added.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49655719

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by Moggy » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:55 am

KK wrote:
Chancellor Sajid Javid tweeted that the move was "about time", adding that the government "should have reversed this silly policy years ago".


If only the previous Home Secretary had done that eh Sajid?

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PostRe: Politics Thread 6 - We don’t need no education
by captain red dog » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:16 pm

Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:I've never understood why a Tory and Lib Dem pact always seems more possible than a Labour one. For as long a so can remember, generally Lib Dem and Labour have been pretty much aligned on policy. The only big disagreement I remember was over the Iraq war.

But when you compare Lib Dem policy to Tory policy, there are very little similarities.


Has anybody said a Tory/LD pact is more possible?

I’d say that was utterly impossible at the moment with their Brexit stances.

Left wingers see the LDs as centre-right, right wingers see them as centre-left. They are either Tory stooges or loony lefties. :lol:

Sorry Moggy, didn't see this until this morning. I meant outside of the Brexit debate, it always seems more likely the LDs would go in with the Tories rather than Labour. It always baffles me. When you look at the coalition in 2010, LD support was destroyed because they followed Tory policy which was so completely at odds with their own values, and indeed manifesto.

Take the tuition fee debacle. They'd probably have got that policy through, or something very close to it, if they went into power with Labour in 2010. Instead they found themselves wedded to austerity and doing the exact opposite.


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