Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Moggy wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Moggy wrote:Rocsteady wrote:Moggy wrote:Rocsteady wrote:Preezy wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Preezy wrote:Regarding that kid getting shot and stabbed - what the strawberry float is going on with gooseberry fool like this? Seems to be happening all the time. strawberry floating animals
It's become normalised. It's such a problem and isn't getting the attention it needs.
The kids involved are getting younger and younger as well.
Yeah that's the bit that just boggles my mind, I just can't comprehend how a child can do something like that to another child. It's mob mentality in the extreme. When I was 14, the worst a group of kids would do is maybe nick some sweets if they'd been egged on by each other, now it seems they commit horrific murders for apparent slights or disrespect.
I think in general you'd label someone that stabbed and shot an innocent child as a psychopath, but surely all these kids can't be psychopaths? It's just desperate, the absolute strawberry floating state of it.
Are there stats that it is in fact getting worse? I'm sure I heard similar stories of kids getting shot/stabbed by other kids when I was growing up in the 90s.
I can't find anything that shows age of offender/victim, but murder rates are low compared to the past.
Thanks.
I think we need to be very careful about supposing these crimes are getting worse without evidence - it's easy to think things were better back in our day. Not saying you're wrong preezy as i'm also not an expert but recency bias and rolling news surely play a part.
We are all getting older, it's no surprise a few of us are now saying "the youth of today are terrible, it was better in my day!"
Knife crime is definitely on the increase. 25k related crimes in 2013/14 to 49k related crimes in 2019/20. It only drops last year to 41k due to covid. From experience it’s back with a vengeance this year but you will have to wait till next year for the stats.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re ... s/sn04304/https://benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics/https://crimestoppers-uk.org/keeping-sa ... -in-detail
Is knife crime on the increase, or is it that changes in legislation and/or police priorities have changed? Is carrying a knife now being recorded more often, where it was more ignored in the past?
From your commons library link:
From that graph, it looks to me like the early 2010s saw a dip, but the graph overall doesn't show today is much different to the last 20 years.
The big problem with FCE is that it is a very specific recording. If you discharge yourself as a lot of stabbing victims, particularly those young and involved in crime do or transferred to a different hospital or care provider then you are not included in the figures.
A finished consultant episode (FCE) is a continuous period of admitted patient care under one consultant within one healthcare provider.
As you say another issue is police recording practices have changed over the years but so have they in the NHS and other bodies. It’s always the case and makes it very difficult to compare records.
All I can do is talk from personal experience and we are definitely dealing with a lot more violence, particularly involving younger males.
I doubt people are discharging themselves at a higher rate now then they were in 2008 or 1998.
Recording practices will change, but I'd be more inclined to trust the NHS figures for this sort of thing. What we care about are injuries/deaths. The NHS can give us a decent picture of that.
The police figures are much harder to get a complete picture over time. New laws will change what is and isn't a crime. A government crackdown will cause figures to spike. Older police who think "well I always carried a penknife, I'm not arresting a kid for it" will have retired. New ways of recording it change the stats.
Personal experience is meaningless when we are talking about a country of almost 70 million people. Personally I think young people today are better than they were 10 years ago. And they are a LOT better than they were in the '90s.