Stuart wrote:Moggy wrote:Stuart wrote:They're examples of men being overlooked in society, in favour of trendier causes. I already stated that I don't think role models in films makes much difference to someones life chances.
Do you have evidence that men are overlooked in favour of "trendier causes"?
Because all the issues you mentioned (other than covid) have been issues for decades.
I mentioned role models (I didn't mention movies) as this whole conversation is about what the MP said.
Yes, I have observed this to be the case. Topical article from the Spectator on this subject:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/whe ... ome-toxic-
You've observed? That's not evidence.
Nor is that dreadful article.
But Cumberbatch taps into a deeper cultural trend too when he writes off stereotypically masculine values as toxic. Qualities such as courage, stoicism, strength, resilience, independence and assertiveness have become unfashionable with the cultural elite Cumberbatch very much represents. Far better, they tell us, to be gentle, caring, in touch with our emotions, open to displaying our vulnerabilities and sharing our struggles with mental health. Stoicism has given way to emotional incontinence.
But there’s a problem with this. Cumberbatch and his acting chums may do well out of public emoting but people who have to work in dangerous, physically demanding and poorly paid jobs, not so much. If I’m ever unfortunate enough to find myself trapped in a burning building, I want someone brave, strong and assertive to come to my rescue, not someone who is going to shed a tear over patriarchal social norms before asking me if I really want to be saved.
It's great she wants a brave, strong and assertive man to save her from a burning building. But it's not helpful for male suicide and for men dying younger (some of your points from earlier) to encourage men to turn towards stoicism and independence. And it's certainly not helpful to encourage strength, resilience and assertiveness to stop violence against men, as RoTS points out, when men are usually the ones perpetrating the violence.