Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24

[Squinty]

I don't think you can get away from it. It's one of the most fundamental parts of humanity.

Hopefully change can happen and people will be more accepting of other ways to live. It will take time.

[Moggy]

I don't think you can get away from it. It's one of the most fundamental parts of humanity.

Hopefully change can happen and people will be more accepting of other ways to live. It will take time.

I don't think it's fundamentally part of human nature. People are capable of change and not everyone is racist/sexist/homophobic. A lot of that behaviour is taught rather than inbuilt.

But humanity is very good at hating itself and finding petty reasons to justify that. If racism disappeared overnight, there'd be a significant proportion of humans that would find some other reason to hate another group of humans.

[Oblomov Boblomov]

I don't think you can get away from it. It's one of the most fundamental parts of humanity.

Hopefully change can happen and people will be more accepting of other ways to live. It will take time.

I don't think it's fundamentally part of human nature. People are capable of change and not everyone is racist/sexist/homophobic. A lot of that behaviour is taught rather than inbuilt.

But humanity is very good at hating itself and finding petty reasons to justify that. If racism disappeared overnight, there'd be a significant proportion of humans that would find some other reason to hate another group of humans.

I've been on quite a lot of EDI/unconscious bias-type training, and one of the things they teach is that as humans we are naturally disposed to bigotry. There are learned behaviours, but (apparently) it's there at a fundamental level as well, largely as a result of evolution. It's one of the things that caused such an uproar with the gammons/right-wing press, e.g. "taxpayer money is being used to teach us that we're all racist!!"

Obviously, I don't know exactly how accurate all of this stuff is. I've noticed a big shift away from it in recent years, but I'm not sure if that's because it's been debunked or as an attempt to avoid gammon froth!

[Tomous]

Toddlers, 3, attacked in ‘transphobic hate crime’ in Belfast

Horrible story this and no doubt a direct result of the transphobia the likes of JK Rowling and the Government are pushing.

[Photek]

Teachers will have to make clear that gender ideology is a "contested belief" rather than fact if they bring it up in lessons, Gillian Keegan will say later this week.

The Education Secretary is set to issue guidance on Thursday following criticism that some pupils were being taught that there were 72 genders.

Schools will not be told to hold lessons on gender ideology, which states that people can be born the wrong sex and that they can change their identity to the opposite sex or other categories such as non-binary.

But if they do hold lessons on the issue, they must make it clear that it is a contested belief.

In other words, they must say that the "gender-critical" belief that there are just two biological sexes is also valid.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -guidance/

This is so strawberry floating weird, my daughter understands everything to do with Gender Dysphoria and Identity and has done since she was 9 years of age all because of her school, she called Bambie Thug and the Swiss winner 'they' and corrected me a few times when I said he wrongly. If she was told 'it's a contested belief' that would undermine the entire point of the lesson.

[Tomous]

Teachers will have to make clear that gender ideology is a "contested belief" rather than fact if they bring it up in lessons, Gillian Keegan will say later this week.

The Education Secretary is set to issue guidance on Thursday following criticism that some pupils were being taught that there were 72 genders.

Schools will not be told to hold lessons on gender ideology, which states that people can be born the wrong sex and that they can change their identity to the opposite sex or other categories such as non-binary.

But if they do hold lessons on the issue, they must make it clear that it is a contested belief.

In other words, they must say that the "gender-critical" belief that there are just two biological sexes is also valid.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -guidance/

This is so strawberry floating weird, my daughter understands everything to do with Gender Dysphoria and Identity and has done since she was 9 years of age all because of her school, she called Bambie Thug and the Swiss winner 'they' and corrected me a few times when I said he wrongly. If she was told 'it's a contested belief' that would undermine the entire point of the lesson.

It's horrible. They are presenting bigotry as valid position to children.

[Photek]

Toddlers, 3, attacked in ‘transphobic hate crime’ in Belfast

Horrible story this and no doubt a direct result of the transphobia the likes of JK Rowling and the Government are pushing.

Hate to say it but there is one side of the political divide in Northern Ireland that is pushing against the UK government and one that is backing it. There's scumbag kids on both sides obviously but it's the unionists who will openly speak against gender ambiguity and the LGBT community in general.

[Qikz]

Teachers will have to make clear that gender ideology is a "contested belief" rather than fact if they bring it up in lessons, Gillian Keegan will say later this week.

The Education Secretary is set to issue guidance on Thursday following criticism that some pupils were being taught that there were 72 genders.

Schools will not be told to hold lessons on gender ideology, which states that people can be born the wrong sex and that they can change their identity to the opposite sex or other categories such as non-binary.

But if they do hold lessons on the issue, they must make it clear that it is a contested belief.

In other words, they must say that the "gender-critical" belief that there are just two biological sexes is also valid.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -guidance/

This is so strawberry floating weird, my daughter understands everything to do with Gender Dysphoria and Identity and has done since she was 9 years of age all because of her school, she called Bambie Thug and the Swiss winner 'they' and corrected me a few times when I said he wrongly. If she was told 'it's a contested belief' that would undermine the entire point of the lesson.

It's horrible. They are presenting bigotry as valid position to children.

I'm guessing parents are angry their kids are learning at school that what they say is wrong and they don't like it as it reminds them that they're all assholes. Bigots hate being reminded that they're assholes. They want to believe what they believe and hate being questioned on it.

[Moggy]

I don't think you can get away from it. It's one of the most fundamental parts of humanity.

Hopefully change can happen and people will be more accepting of other ways to live. It will take time.

I don't think it's fundamentally part of human nature. People are capable of change and not everyone is racist/sexist/homophobic. A lot of that behaviour is taught rather than inbuilt.

But humanity is very good at hating itself and finding petty reasons to justify that. If racism disappeared overnight, there'd be a significant proportion of humans that would find some other reason to hate another group of humans.

I've been on quite a lot of EDI/unconscious bias-type training, and one of the things they teach is that as humans we are naturally disposed to bigotry. There are learned behaviours, but (apparently) it's there at a fundamental level as well, largely as a result of evolution. It's one of the things that caused such an uproar with the gammons/right-wing press, e.g. "taxpayer money is being used to teach us that we're all racist!!"

Obviously, I don't know exactly how accurate all of this stuff is. I've noticed a big shift away from it in recent years, but I'm not sure if that's because it's been debunked or as an attempt to avoid gammon froth!

I guess it depends on what we class as "fundamental".

I think there are enough people and enough cultures to show that none of the bigotries are universal. Some cultures accept homosexuality as perfectly natural, some have had transgender identities for millennia, some aren't racist. Etc.

I think it's fair to say human nature is fundamentally disposed to latch on to learned bigotries, but I don't think those bigotries themselves are built in to humans. Kids (from decent family's, not gammon hellholes) take no notice at all of gay relationships, they don't show any racism etc. It's as they get older, after a decade or so of being told "stay away from that group - they are bad!" that the bigotry comes through.

[Moggy]

Toddlers, 3, attacked in ‘transphobic hate crime’ in Belfast

Horrible story this and no doubt a direct result of the transphobia the likes of JK Rowling and the Government are pushing.

Hate to say it but there is one side of the political divide in Northern Ireland that is pushing against the UK government and one that is backing it. There's scumbag kids on both sides obviously but it's the unionists who will openly speak against gender ambiguity and the LGBT community in general.

[rinks]

Nadhim Zahawi has announced his next role after confirming he will stand down at the next election.

Last week Mr Zahawi joined the exodus of Tory MPs standing down at the election, which is expected to be held this autumn.

The former chancellor has now been appointed chair of online retailer Very Group, which owns Very and Littlewoods.

He will replace interim chair Aidan Barclay at the company which is part of the Barclay family’s business empire.

The Barclays have owned Very Group since 2002, but the business recently swung to a half-year loss and was forced to secure £125 million in new debt funding from Carlyle Global Credit and IMI.

The Very Group said in a statement that Mr Zahawi would work with the directors and management team to explore expanding the business in new areas.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 43987.html

Well at least we know one of the next retailers to go bust…

International Media Investments is owned by UAE vice-president Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al-Nahyan. That’s who he’s cosying up to.

[Qikz]

twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1791123815692431645

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/sta ... 5692431645

[Moggy]

twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1791123815692431645

FTFY

[Tomous]

It's just as well Sunak is already at rock bottom because when the GE campaign starts he's going to need to do more of these kinda things, and he's absolutely terrible at them.

[Cheeky Devlin]

Teachers will have to make clear that gender ideology is a "contested belief" rather than fact if they bring it up in lessons, Gillian Keegan will say later this week.

The Education Secretary is set to issue guidance on Thursday following criticism that some pupils were being taught that there were 72 genders.

Schools will not be told to hold lessons on gender ideology, which states that people can be born the wrong sex and that they can change their identity to the opposite sex or other categories such as non-binary.

But if they do hold lessons on the issue, they must make it clear that it is a contested belief.

In other words, they must say that the "gender-critical" belief that there are just two biological sexes is also valid.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -guidance/

This is so strawberry floating weird, my daughter understands everything to do with Gender Dysphoria and Identity and has done since she was 9 years of age all because of her school, she called Bambie Thug and the Swiss winner 'they' and corrected me a few times when I said he wrongly. If she was told 'it's a contested belief' that would undermine the entire point of the lesson.

It's horrible. They are presenting bigotry as valid position to children.

They just want to wipe out Transpeople.

Never mind that varied gender-identities have existed for as long as humans have, they want to wipe Transpeople out of existence.

Start by making it next to impossible for Trans-Kids to get access to the medical care they need. So that when they do eventually get to an age where they can get HRT (Or whatever other gender-affirming treatments they need/want) they've already gone through the wrong puberty. That's going to put a lot of young people off the idea of coming out, or starting transition.

Which again is part of the plan.
The younger you get onto a medical transition the easier it is to "pass" further down the line. Which is why puberty blockers for Trans-kids are so important. Not having to go through that puberty means they can have one that's more in line with their actual gender. Transwomen especially benefit from this and it can make all the difference in them being able to pass (Not that passing is the be all, end all of being trans). Which is what the transphobes don't want. They want every trans-woman (They don't care about trans-men) to be clearly clockable.

They're going after all the avenues of treatment in the UK as well. The Cass review is basically the Transphobe bible at this point. The waiting lists to be seen by an NHS GIC are in the years. Pretty sure Glasgow is 5+ years before you can even get an appointment. This might not be entirely by design, but it's been this way for a good while and there's no improvement to be seen.

So the alternatives are going private, which is very expensive. There's also online, private GPs who basically do what they can to fill the gap and provide appointments and prescriptions. These are also expensive.
Or you can go DIY and import the medications you need.

None of this is illegal. Yet they're already starting to see news articles appearing about "loopholes" and "dangerous online drug sellers", despite all of these being legal, regulated paths to treatment.
NHS GPs are also getting new guidance I believe which tells them to stop accepting shared care agreements (I.e you get the appointment and prescription privately, but your GP deals with re-filling the prescription on the NHS and doing blood tests). Not to mention GPs are often very gatekeepy and I've heard many stories about them insisting on some ridiculous condition before they will refer patients to their local GIC.

It's the slow erosion of safe, legal routes to medical transition in the UK, with the idea that somehow Transpeople will somehow just vanish.
All done under the traditional "Won't someone think of the children" bollocks.

Boils my piss.

[Lex-Man]

It's just as well Sunak is already at rock bottom because when the GE campaign starts he's going to need to do more of these kinda things, and he's absolutely terrible at them.

I'm not actually sure he is, a lot of people probably haven't heard from him directly and don't know how poorly he comes across in interviews. Once the general election is underway people will take a lot more notice of him and he could end up doing a May but from a lot lower polling position.

[DML]

Can I just add at this point what a lovely person Judi Love is. Shes really talented at what she does.

[Tomous]

Can I just add at this point what a lovely person Judi Love is. Shes really talented at what she does.

I've no idea who she is but she comes across in that clip superbly.

[poshrule_uk]

Can I just add at this point what a lovely person Judi Love is. Shes really talented at what she does.

Why don't you marry her

[Zilnad]

Can I just add at this point what a lovely person Judi Love is. Shes really talented at what she does.

I've no idea who she is but she comes across in that clip superbly.

Agreed. I love seeing Sunak doing this kind of thing because he's so bad at it.