Politics Thread 7: THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER - General Election 04/07/24

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by rinks » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:26 am

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Thames Water is in a race to find extra cash after its investors said they would not give the struggling water giant extra cash unless bills rise.

The UK's largest water firm has been pushing for the regulator Ofwat to agree to a substantial increase in water bills over the next five years.
Sources close to Ofwat say it plans to "stick to its guns" and won't raise bills to address shareholder problems.
Fears emerged last year that Thames could collapse due to its huge debts.
The owners' drew up a turnaround plan last summer which asked for a 40% rise in bills over the next five years. But it is now thought that the shareholders may want to see even higher bill rises as a condition of injecting more money.
Investors were due to pump in almost £4bn into the business over the next two years, but have withheld the first payment - due at the end of March - saying its turnaround plan is "uninvestible".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68682198

Greedy banana splits deserve to have the company collapse. Ofwat had better not give in to their threats.


They were going to raise the bills by 40% and that wasn't even enough? These shareholders don't understand anything, they want short term profit without thinking the longer term. Nobodies going to be able to afford their bills.

That’s what happens when the government allows a monopoly to exist. And if the supply of water can’t be open to competition, because of its nature, then it has to be state-owned to prevent the monopoly.

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by Victor Mildew » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:26 am

A glorious weekend for the shareholders :wub:

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:37 am

rinks wrote:
Qikz wrote:
rinks wrote:
Thames Water is in a race to find extra cash after its investors said they would not give the struggling water giant extra cash unless bills rise.

The UK's largest water firm has been pushing for the regulator Ofwat to agree to a substantial increase in water bills over the next five years.
Sources close to Ofwat say it plans to "stick to its guns" and won't raise bills to address shareholder problems.
Fears emerged last year that Thames could collapse due to its huge debts.
The owners' drew up a turnaround plan last summer which asked for a 40% rise in bills over the next five years. But it is now thought that the shareholders may want to see even higher bill rises as a condition of injecting more money.
Investors were due to pump in almost £4bn into the business over the next two years, but have withheld the first payment - due at the end of March - saying its turnaround plan is "uninvestible".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68682198

Greedy banana splits deserve to have the company collapse. Ofwat had better not give in to their threats.


They were going to raise the bills by 40% and that wasn't even enough? These shareholders don't understand anything, they want short term profit without thinking the longer term. Nobodies going to be able to afford their bills.

That’s what happens when the government allows a monopoly to exist. And if the supply of water can’t be open to competition, because of its nature, then it has to be state-owned to prevent the monopoly.


This is why I’ve never understood privatisation of water and rail etc There isn’t any competition so you don’t have the incentive for them to compete for customers.

It’s different to energy where you can have competing suppliers. I still don’t like that as I think that should be state owned as well mind.

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by Tomous » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:44 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This is why I’ve never understood privatisation of water and rail etc There isn’t any competition so you don’t have the incentive for them to compete for customers.



What makes you think the Tories privatise things for the benefit of competition and the customer?

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:47 am

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Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This is why I’ve never understood privatisation of water and rail etc There isn’t any competition so you don’t have the incentive for them to compete for customers.



What makes you think the Tories privatise things for the benefit of competition and the customer?


Tories will be stunned to learn the real-world outcome of privatisation for the consumer, and will have no idea how they and their mates got so rich off the back of it (must be their hard work).

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:47 am

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Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This is why I’ve never understood privatisation of water and rail etc There isn’t any competition so you don’t have the incentive for them to compete for customers.



What makes you think the Tories privatise things for the benefit of competition and the customer?


I don’t. When did I say that?

The only argument for privatising something is the supposed benefit of competition. But I don’t think it works with water, rail etc.

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by Knoyleo » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:50 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
rinks wrote:
Qikz wrote:
rinks wrote:
Thames Water is in a race to find extra cash after its investors said they would not give the struggling water giant extra cash unless bills rise.

The UK's largest water firm has been pushing for the regulator Ofwat to agree to a substantial increase in water bills over the next five years.
Sources close to Ofwat say it plans to "stick to its guns" and won't raise bills to address shareholder problems.
Fears emerged last year that Thames could collapse due to its huge debts.
The owners' drew up a turnaround plan last summer which asked for a 40% rise in bills over the next five years. But it is now thought that the shareholders may want to see even higher bill rises as a condition of injecting more money.
Investors were due to pump in almost £4bn into the business over the next two years, but have withheld the first payment - due at the end of March - saying its turnaround plan is "uninvestible".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68682198

Greedy banana splits deserve to have the company collapse. Ofwat had better not give in to their threats.


They were going to raise the bills by 40% and that wasn't even enough? These shareholders don't understand anything, they want short term profit without thinking the longer term. Nobodies going to be able to afford their bills.

That’s what happens when the government allows a monopoly to exist. And if the supply of water can’t be open to competition, because of its nature, then it has to be state-owned to prevent the monopoly.


This is why I’ve never understood privatisation of water and rail etc There isn’t any competition so you don’t have the incentive for them to compete for customers.

It’s different to energy where you can have competing suppliers. I still don’t like that as I think that should be state owned as well mind.

There's no real competition for energy either. The electricity and gas you get is still the same, the product is still totally homogenous. All you're doing is paying a middleman who competes with others to see who pays the grid on your behalf while taking a cut.

All utilities should be nationalised, not only because there's no competition, but because all are also necessities that should be exempt from profiteering.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: Dishy Rishi's Cabinet of Horrors
by Tomous » Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:53 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This is why I’ve never understood privatisation of water and rail etc There isn’t any competition so you don’t have the incentive for them to compete for customers.



What makes you think the Tories privatise things for the benefit of competition and the customer?


I don’t. When did I say that?

The only argument for privatising something is the supposed benefit of competition. But I don’t think it works with water, rail etc.



It doesn't but the point I'm making is they only privatise things to benefit themselves and their mates. So there's nothing to understand about why they privatised water and rail other than that.

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by KK » Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:25 pm

I think with telecommunications a company can theoretically add value to the proposition. Whether it's the router, the handsets, the customer service, the speed...

You can't do anything with gas, electric or water. It's either on or it's off...with the common decency that it's not going to harm you.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:46 pm

KK wrote:I think with telecommunications a company can theoretically add value to the proposition. Whether it's the router, the handsets, the customer service, the speed...

You can't do anything with gas, electric or water. It's either on or it's off...with the common decency that it's not going to harm you.


That's the problem with people these days: no gratitude towards their betters for providing them with water that is purportedly free from toxic ingredients and/or harmful substances :roll:.

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by Photek » Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:14 pm

rinks wrote:
Thames Water is in a race to find extra cash after its investors said they would not give the struggling water giant extra cash unless bills rise.

The UK's largest water firm has been pushing for the regulator Ofwat to agree to a substantial increase in water bills over the next five years.
Sources close to Ofwat say it plans to "stick to its guns" and won't raise bills to address shareholder problems.
Fears emerged last year that Thames could collapse due to its huge debts.
The owners' drew up a turnaround plan last summer which asked for a 40% rise in bills over the next five years. But it is now thought that the shareholders may want to see even higher bill rises as a condition of injecting more money.
Investors were due to pump in almost £4bn into the business over the next two years, but have withheld the first payment - due at the end of March - saying its turnaround plan is "uninvestible".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68682198

Greedy banana splits deserve to have the company collapse. Ofwat had better not give in to their threats.


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PostRe: Politics Thread 7: Dishy Rishi's Cabinet of Horrors
by rinks » Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:56 pm

Laurence Fox’s hopes of being London Mayor have been dashed again. The dozy banana split filled in the forms wrong, then submitted them too late to be corrected.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/202 ... nomination

Probably did it on purpose, to save wasting another £10,000 deposit.

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by Tomous » Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:00 pm

rinks wrote:Probably did it on purpose, to save wasting another £10,000 deposit.



And can moan that he's been silenced.

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by Moggy » Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:07 pm

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rinks wrote:Probably did it on purpose, to save wasting another £10,000 deposit.



And can moan that he's been silenced.


In his deleted posts, Fox claimed that his party had “checked, double checked and then triple checked our nominations” and would appeal against the decision, which he claimed was the result of “political corruption”.


All that checking from an intellect as great as "Lozza", it can only mean Sadiq Khan is running scared of the guy who got less than 2% last time.

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by still » Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:51 pm

rinks wrote:Laurence Fox’s hopes of being London Mayor have been dashed again. The dozy banana split filled in the forms wrong, then submitted them too late to be corrected.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/202 ... nomination

Probably did it on purpose, to save wasting another £10,000 deposit.


Great shame as he was obviously a shoe-in to win this time around.

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by Knoyleo » Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:13 pm

Won't somebody think of the shareholders landlords!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68686660

Renter reforms watered down after concerns from Tory MPs

The government has set out a series of changes to planned protections for renters in England, after some Conservative MPs raised concerns they would be too burdensome for landlords.

The proposals include making tenants commit to a minimum six-month period when renting a property.

Campaign groups representing renters accused ministers of watering down the legislation to appease landlords.

But landlord groups said the changes were fair and balanced.

Other changes include delaying a ban on no-fault evictions for existing tenancies until an assessment by the justice secretary on the the readiness of the court system to deal with repossession claims is published.

The Renters (Reform) Bill, which was first introduced to Parliament last May, would abolish no fault-evictions in England, where tenants can be forced to move out with no justification.

It would mean that landlords could only evict tenants under certain circumstances, including when they wish to sell the property or when they or a close family member want to move in.

Last month the BBC revealed ministers were consulting backbench Conservative MPs on watering down their proposed reforms.

And the bill's progress through Parliament has been slow, after around 50 Tory MPs, some of whom are landlords, called for changes.

They raised concerns the legislation would see more landlords sell up, reducing the number of rental properties available.

In a letter to Tory MPs, Levelling Up Minister Jacob Young said he had listened to concerns from MPs and the sector, and the government would bring forward changes when the draft legislation returns to the House of Commons after the Easter break.

He said the bill "must strike the balance between delivering security for tenants and fairness for landlords".

The proposals would prevent tenants from ending a rental contract in the first six months. Currently the bill allows renters to end a tenancy with two months' notice at any point.

Mr Young said the change would ensure landlords could rely on a letting period that covers the cost of finding tenants and making repairs between tenancies, as well as preventing tenants using rented properties as short-term lets.

He added that the government was considering exemptions, such as the death of a tenant, domestic abuse or significant hazards in the property.

However, the Renters' Reform Coalition said the move could lock tenants in "unsafe and unsuitable housing".

Other proposed changes include:

    Reviewing council landlord licensing schemes to ensure they do not duplicate a new property portal where landlords would have to register their properties

    Allowing landlords to evict students to ensure tenants move out at the end of the academic year

    Giving tenants who are evicted under new possession grounds a right to homelessness support from their local council

Tom Darling, campaign manager at the Renters' Reform Coalition, said delaying the ban on no-fault evictions for existing tenancies meant most renters would not be impacted until after the next general election.

"The government's flagship legislation to help renters is fast becoming a Landlord's Charter," he said.

Without significant changes he said the legislation "will hardly be an improvement on the status quo, and in some case it will make things worse".

Ben Beadle, chief executive of the National Residential Landlords Association, said ministers now needed to "crack on" and pass the bill.

"Our focus has been on ensuring that the replacement system works, and is fair, to both tenants and responsible landlords. The changes being proposed would achieve this balance," he said.

However, one of the leading Tory MP with concerns about the bill's impact on landlords, Anthony Mangnall, said he would still press for further changes.

He told the BBC he was "pleased with the progress" but "there are still some outstanding issues such as fixed-term contracts".


Currently, the bill would abolish fixed-term contracts and replace them with rolling tenancies with no fixed end date. The government says this gives tenants greater security but critics argue it means less certainty for landlords.

Housing Secretary Michael Gove has promised no-fault evictions will be outlawed in England by the next general election, which must take place by the end of January.

However, the government has already said the ban on no-fault evictions will not be enacted until improvements are made to the court system.


MPs have warned getting rid of no-fault evictions will increase pressure on the courts, as landlords will need to go through a legal process to regain possession of their properties when they have legitimate grounds to do so.

Labour said it would immediately abolish no-fault evictions if it won power.

Shadow housing minister Matthew Pennycook said: "After years of delay, private renters have every right to be furious at the watering down of the vital protections the Tories promised them."

The Liberal Democrats accused Mr Gove of caving in to Conservative MPs and leaving the party's 2019 manifesto promise to ban no-fault evictions "in tatters".


Very important to achieve a balanced outcome for the tories with a property portfolio landlords.

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by Qikz » Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:54 am

I like how the conservative party who have sat doing nothing for years but make things worse for everyone bar the rich are saying they're not very conservative. What do they think conservatism is and why do they feel it's facism now?

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by Lotus » Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:59 am

rinks wrote:
Thames Water is in a race to find extra cash after its investors said they would not give the struggling water giant extra cash unless bills rise.

The UK's largest water firm has been pushing for the regulator Ofwat to agree to a substantial increase in water bills over the next five years.
Sources close to Ofwat say it plans to "stick to its guns" and won't raise bills to address shareholder problems.
Fears emerged last year that Thames could collapse due to its huge debts.
The owners' drew up a turnaround plan last summer which asked for a 40% rise in bills over the next five years. But it is now thought that the shareholders may want to see even higher bill rises as a condition of injecting more money.
Investors were due to pump in almost £4bn into the business over the next two years, but have withheld the first payment - due at the end of March - saying its turnaround plan is "uninvestible".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68682198

Greedy banana splits deserve to have the company collapse. Ofwat had better not give in to their threats.

All of our regulators are so utterly toothless and pathetic that the shareholders and company executives will always come first and get paid before anything else happens. It should be just left to collapse then go into goverment ownership, but I'm sure somebody will get a final payday before that happens.

So much of what's wrong with this country currently is down to us being far too soft on pretty much everything. Wish somebody would have some backbone and sort things out.


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