Moggy wrote:
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Moggy wrote:Blair's Labour won on a centrist platform and I guess it's a matter of opinion on whether they shifted left after the '97 election or if they stayed centrist. Right wingers will tell you they were crazy leftists, left wingers will tell you they were basically the same as Thatcher.
A detention camp on the Isle of Mull and breaking international law were among measures on migration presented to Tony Blair while prime minister, according to newly released files.
Papers from 2003, released by the National Archives, show Mr Blair was increasingly frustrated by the failure to deter people from coming to the UK.
He had called for more "radical" ideas.
Other suggestions presented to him included safe havens overseas for those whose asylum claims were rejected.
In a paper entitled "Asylum: the nuclear option", advisers even questioned whether the UK needed an asylum system at all, because refugees would already have passed through a safe country before reaching Britain's shores.
Tomous wrote:What the police are investigating her for is registering the wrong address as her main residence on the electoral register. I don't really know the implications of breaking electoral law like this but I suspect Labour are confident she hasnt and will be cleared.
On Thursday, we received the solemn news that the Queen had died peacefully at Balmoral. To be told this on only my second full day as Prime Minister felt utterly unreal. In a state of shock, I found myself thinking: 'Why me? Why now?'
Moggy wrote:From Liz Truss's autobiography.On Thursday, we received the solemn news that the Queen had died peacefully at Balmoral. To be told this on only my second full day as Prime Minister felt utterly unreal. In a state of shock, I found myself thinking: 'Why me? Why now?'
Moggy wrote:Outrunner wrote:Grumpy David wrote:Is there any optimism to be had with thinking Starmer's swing to the centre ground of politics is for the purpose of winning but once in power he'll lean more to the left?
Not really. I can't think of any elections where centrist parties have campaigned in a centrist platform only to shift to the left once they're in power. I'm happy to be corrected on this though. The right of the party are in control now, most of their funding is from business now so they'll be pandering to corporate interests. I have no confidence that we'll see any significant move to the left once in power.
You're looking at close to 50 years since Labour last won on a left wing platform.
Blair's Labour won on a centrist platform and I guess it's a matter of opinion on whether they shifted left after the '97 election or if they stayed centrist. Right wingers will tell you they were crazy leftists, left wingers will tell you they were basically the same as Thatcher.
I see Starmer as being roughly the same. He'll campaign on a centrist platform, win a big victory and I have no doubt it'll be better than the last 14 years of Tory rule.
But people have short memories and Starmer will never be brave enough to make big/quick changes that will substantially improve ordinary people's lives. So it'll all seem very disappointing and we'll eventually (probably the 2034 election) end up with another Tory governments who'll drag the country down even further.
Carlos wrote:Outrunner wrote:I can't bring myself to vote for Labour this election. Their lurch to the right has made it impossible. I live in a safe seat so my vote won't matter anyway. I'll always regret voting for Starmer as leader, I'm just glad to be out of the Labour party now.
It’s an unfortunate sacrifice to get the red wall back. I would have enjoyed Corbyn as PM but his radical policies fell flat with a lot of voters, voters Labour needs to get back if they actually want to win.
Starmers policy of the various left factions either getting on board or getting off was the right one. If they get a landslide they can actually take their foot off a little bit and the opposition can do nothing about it.
Moggy wrote:
strawberry float me
Qikz wrote:Moggy wrote:
strawberry float me
I hope at least that all the FOR votes were Tories and there's nobody else who supported it.
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Qikz wrote:Moggy wrote:
strawberry float me
I hope at least that all the FOR votes were Tories and there's nobody else who supported it.
Don't forget about the DUP banana splits!
https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1785
She says the West has become "decadent and complacent," adding that "we have Conservative politicians accepting extremist environmentalist dogma and wokeism".
.She argues the environmental debate is "the single greatest example of Conservatives over the last few decades losing arguments to the Left" and claims plenty of environmentalists are "watermelons" - green on the outside, red (i.e. socialists) on the inside.
Truss thinks furlough was too generous
"This has the effect of preserving the economy in aspic," she writes, "with little incentive for people to respond to the changed world by establishing new and innovative businesses."
And if you are of a sceptical inclination, wondering why or whether she deserves attention, I would say all former prime ministers deserve scrutiny.
And hers is a voice still listened to and influential among her party members, as many Tories privately anticipate losing the election, and consider their future after it.
Tomous wrote:She's all been endorsing Trump. Surely this is deeply inappropriate for a sitting MP? She's effectively meddling in a foreign countries election.
