Politics Thread 8: Starmergeddon

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by Cuttooth » Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:50 pm

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Lex-Man wrote:Reform are also one MP short of getting about half a mil funding for their party so merging would give them access to a lot more cash to develop stuff.

In that case, I’d have thought they’d woo one or two specific Tories to switch to Reform.

The TUV have a pact with Reform don't they? They got one MP elected - would that count?

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by Moggy » Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:51 pm

rinks wrote:The problem for the Tories doing any kind of deal, either with Farage or his company, is that their aim would be to get back all those voters. But 4mn people voted for Reform because they are sick of the Tories. If Farage immediately jumps into bed with the Conservatives, I don’t think those voters are all going to follow. Some will. But some moderate Conservative voters will go elsewhere.


Those 4 million are not voting Reform because of the charisma of Richard Tice. They LOVE Farage and will follow him wherever he goes.

They would see a Farage takeover of the Tories as a victory and would say that Farage will put the Tories on the right path (for them!).

The moderate Tory voters have already abandoned them. The ones still voting Tory will gaslight themselves into believing it's a good thing.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 8: Starmergeddon
by Grumpy David » Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:37 pm

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by Carlos » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:22 pm

The Tories would melt as Reform. They’d never come back. What we don’t know is what the second choice for Reform voters would have been.

Given what Moggy posted a few days ago (UKIP 2015: 4m votes. Reform 2024: 4m votes) it seems unlikely that the Tories haemorrhaged many voters to Reform at all. Those that jumped either went to Labour or the Lib Dems, with the latter stealing more of their heartlands. Their won seats (dilapidated coastal towns, Mansfield) are fish in a barrel.

If the Tories move even further to the right the remaining moderates (Hunt etc) will all spin themselves off leaving whatever chaos spawn Reform turns into to die off. I guess we will find out in the 2026 local elections.

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by Cuttooth » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:40 pm

Carlos wrote:The Tories would melt as Reform. They’d never come back. What we don’t know is what the second choice for Reform voters would have been.

Given what Moggy posted a few days ago (UKIP 2015: 4m votes. Reform 2024: 4m votes) it seems unlikely that the Tories haemorrhaged many voters to Reform at all. Those that jumped either went to Labour or the Lib Dems, with the latter stealing more of their heartlands. Their won seats (dilapidated coastal towns, Mansfield) are fish in a barrel.

If the Tories move even further to the right the remaining moderates (Hunt etc) will all spin themselves off leaving whatever chaos spawn Reform turns into to die off. I guess we will find out in the 2026 local elections.


The Tories haemorrhaged a lot of votes to Reform but ultimately also just lost a lot of votes regardless. We do have some idea of the second choice for Reform voters.

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Between 2015 and 2019 the UKIP vote collapsed and the Tory vote went up by 2.6m people. There is an intrinsic link for voters between the Tories and whichever brand of Farage far-right party is on offer.

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by Moggy » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:47 pm

Carlos wrote:The Tories would melt as Reform. They’d never come back. What we don’t know is what the second choice for Reform voters would have been.

Given what Moggy posted a few days ago (UKIP 2015: 4m votes. Reform 2024: 4m votes) it seems unlikely that the Tories haemorrhaged many voters to Reform at all. Those that jumped either went to Labour or the Lib Dems, with the latter stealing more of their heartlands. Their won seats (dilapidated coastal towns, Mansfield) are fish in a barrel.

If the Tories move even further to the right the remaining moderates (Hunt etc) will all spin themselves off leaving whatever chaos spawn Reform turns into to die off. I guess we will find out in the 2026 local elections.


None of that really matters though. They've been chasing the UKIP/Reform vote for well over a decade now. And they are not going to stop as they have convinced themselves that heading ever further right will work for them.

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by Qikz » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:55 pm

Moggy wrote:
Carlos wrote:The Tories would melt as Reform. They’d never come back. What we don’t know is what the second choice for Reform voters would have been.

Given what Moggy posted a few days ago (UKIP 2015: 4m votes. Reform 2024: 4m votes) it seems unlikely that the Tories haemorrhaged many voters to Reform at all. Those that jumped either went to Labour or the Lib Dems, with the latter stealing more of their heartlands. Their won seats (dilapidated coastal towns, Mansfield) are fish in a barrel.

If the Tories move even further to the right the remaining moderates (Hunt etc) will all spin themselves off leaving whatever chaos spawn Reform turns into to die off. I guess we will find out in the 2026 local elections.


None of that really matters though. They've been chasing the UKIP/Reform vote for well over a decade now. And they are not going to stop as they have convinced themselves that heading ever further right will work for them.


Isn't that because with Brexit and the latest elections it was working for them, but this has just proven to them it doesn't work.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 8: Starmergeddon
by Garth » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:57 pm

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by Moggy » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:01 pm

Qikz wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Carlos wrote:The Tories would melt as Reform. They’d never come back. What we don’t know is what the second choice for Reform voters would have been.

Given what Moggy posted a few days ago (UKIP 2015: 4m votes. Reform 2024: 4m votes) it seems unlikely that the Tories haemorrhaged many voters to Reform at all. Those that jumped either went to Labour or the Lib Dems, with the latter stealing more of their heartlands. Their won seats (dilapidated coastal towns, Mansfield) are fish in a barrel.

If the Tories move even further to the right the remaining moderates (Hunt etc) will all spin themselves off leaving whatever chaos spawn Reform turns into to die off. I guess we will find out in the 2026 local elections.


None of that really matters though. They've been chasing the UKIP/Reform vote for well over a decade now. And they are not going to stop as they have convinced themselves that heading ever further right will work for them.


Isn't that because with Brexit and the latest elections it was working for them, but this has just proven to them it doesn't work.


It doesn't work.

But that won't stop them doing it.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 8: Starmergeddon
by Moggy » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:02 pm

Grumpy David wrote:

twitter.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1811060446494925107



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Tory infighting begins!


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PostRe: Politics Thread 8: Starmergeddon
by Qikz » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:09 pm

Moggy wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:

twitter.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1811060446494925107



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Tory infighting begins!


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by Dowbocop » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:31 pm

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Someone should un-redact whoever wrote the shag in a brothel comment because it might be the worst WhatsApp message in recorded history and they deserve to face justice.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 8: Starmergeddon
by Rocsteady » Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:50 pm

Yeah wtf were they trying to get at

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:20 pm

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I’m not sure why Kay thinks such aggressive questioning is required here. They’ve been in office for 5 days and he’s giving a really in depth clear answer, not dodging the question. This just makes her look silly yet she’s then sharing it on twitter like she’s some kind of mega journalist holding them to account.

Compare that to how she spoke to Shapps on the same issue last year.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 8: Starmergeddon
by Gideon » Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:22 pm

Rocsteady wrote:Yeah wtf were they trying to get at


I think they thought they were coming up with a twist on the old ‘couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery’ but unfortunately they’re debilitatingly thick.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 8: Starmergeddon
by Green Gecko » Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:22 pm

She can go a bit intense sometimes tbh and then does the crazy eyes/blinky thing with little shoulder shrugs.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 8: Starmergeddon
by KK » Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:05 am

Meet the Rees-Moggs, a new 5 part fly-on-the-wall documentary series, self-described as ‘Fawlty Towers meets Downton Abbey’, has been announced by Discovery+. Have you got a spare 5 hours in your life?

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by Lagamorph » Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:19 am

KK wrote:Meet the Rees-Moggs, a new 5 part fly-on-the-wall documentary series, self-described as ‘Fawlty Towers meets Downton Abbey’, has been announced by Discovery+. Have you got a spare 5 hours in your life?

I honestly can't tell if this post is a joke or not.

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PostRe: Politics Thread 8: Starmergeddon
by Moggy » Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:36 am

Lagamorph wrote:
KK wrote:Meet the Rees-Moggs, a new 5 part fly-on-the-wall documentary series, self-described as ‘Fawlty Towers meets Downton Abbey’, has been announced by Discovery+. Have you got a spare 5 hours in your life?

I honestly can't tell if this post is a joke or not.


I think it's a joke.

But it's impossible to tell.


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