Racist women on London public transport - official thread part XIV

WTF is going on in this thread? It’s like bingo night during a BNP social.

lex-man wrote:I can't watch it. It'll make me too angry. I was in Oxford with my girlfriend last weekend and we ended up going into a Co-Op. She walked down a isle and some old guy kept getting in her way he didn't say anything but he stood in front of her when she moved he stepped back in-front of her. I shot the guy a dirty look and he walked off, but I pretty sure he was doing it because she's not white and I'm not really sure what he would have done if I wasn't there.

Not long after meeting my now wife we were out having a few drinks. She went up to the bar and while she was up there, I bumped into somebody I grew up with. After saying hello, he asked who I was with. I pointed over to the bar and said “my girlfriend” and he said “what? The darkie at the bar?”.

Somehow I didn’t explode but sort of said “yeah, see you later”. A week or so later I saw another old friend who said “so I hear you’re with a black girl!”.

I grew up in a very white area, but strawberry float me it was like I was with a Martian.

Moggy wrote:

lex-man wrote:I can't watch it. It'll make me too angry. I was in Oxford with my girlfriend last weekend and we ended up going into a Co-Op. She walked down a isle and some old guy kept getting in her way he didn't say anything but he stood in front of her when she moved he stepped back in-front of her. I shot the guy a dirty look and he walked off, but I pretty sure he was doing it because she's not white and I'm not really sure what he would have done if I wasn't there.

Not long after meeting my now wife we were out having a few drinks. She went up to the bar and while she was up there, I bumped into somebody I grew up with. After saying hello, he asked who I was with. I pointed over to the bar and said “my girlfriend” and he said “what? The darkie at the bar?”.

Somehow I didn’t explode but sort of said “yeah, see you later”. A week or so later I saw another old friend who said “so I hear you’re with a black girl!”.

I grew up in a very white area, but strawberry float me it was like I was with a Martian.

It feels a bit different for me. I grew up in Wimbledon and went to school with a number of Black and Asian kids. My family are super liberal so racism isn't really something I've experienced. Although this is the second time something like this has happened since I've been with my girlfriend. She doesn't seem to want to talk about and just ignores it. I use to date a mix raced girl and didn't really experience anything then, although I guess people had a hard time placing where she was from most of the time.

<]:^D wrote:good video on this when the last kerfuffle happened

He made his point much better than I made mine... but I still maintain that nobody should use such derogatory language.

I watched a YouTube vid of two white American teens fighting, with them constantly calling each other the n-word. Was that affectionately? Certainly, it was being used in exactly the same context that I’ve often seen it used by African Americans - when arguing - but can an epithet really be used both affectionately and derogatorily at the same time?

If not, this means that African Americans too use the n-word in its original context, a situation into which I still feel they have been duped. When we do it, we’re just copying them, but without being subjected to any of the institutional practices that might offer any sort of justification.

i dont think youve understood the video at all

How so? I’m not saying African Americans always use the n-word in its original context, just that sometimes they do - an issue not addressed in the video. Is it still acceptable at those times?

Christ almighty, it actually f**king blows my mind that people can't grasp the difference between black people saying the N-word and white people using it.

mic wrote:How so? I’m not saying African Americans always use the n-word in its original context, just that sometimes they do - an issue not addressed in the video. Is it still acceptable at those times?

There is nothing acceptable or unacceptable about black people using the word. It is a word that was invented to degrade them personally, it is up to them if they want to use the word.

Other races shouldn’t use the word because it is a word that was invented to degrade black people. The same with the P word for Asian people, the Y word for Jewish people. A racial group can use a racist word about themselves, other racial groups should not. The same as gay people can use a homophobic word about themselves, how a woman can use a sexist word about themselves etc.

What shouldn’t happen after literally hundreds of years of enslavement, abuse and bigotry is for the exact same group that coined the horrible word to say “well we don’t like the word anymore, if we can’t use it then nobody should”.

I think that sectors of people whom the bad words are targeted at perhaps use the bad words themselves in order to "reclaim" them? In effect, to lessen the impact and take away some of the horrible intent?

Personally I don't like such terms being used at all but I can understand that desire to "turn around" their usage. I can see, though, that it may also make it tougher to decry the oafs using them with horrible intent if they are used by the people of sectors at which they're targeted.

I think that most people understand that using the horrible terms is offensive and just not on, but the subject of whether people of the "targeted" sectors should use them appears to have more wide-ranging opinion.

Photek wrote:Christ almighty, it actually f**king blows my mind that people can't grasp the difference between black people saying the N-word and white people using it.

You're making a distinct cus of race! You're the real racist! Free Tommy!

Photek wrote:Christ almighty, it actually f**king blows my mind that people can't grasp the difference between black people saying the N-word and white people using it.

On the off chance that might have been at least partially directed at me, I do see the difference. However...

Moggy wrote:...Other races shouldn’t use the word because it is a word that was invented to degrade black people. The same with the P word for Asian people, the Y word for Jewish people. A racial group can use a racist word about themselves, other racial groups should not. The same as gay people can use a homophobic word about themselves, how a woman can use a sexist word about themselves etc...

Isn't that like saying a black police officer can't racially profile black youth, or a gay boss can't sexually discriminate against other gays? If one is offended by a racial term used pejoratively against them by someone from their own ethnicity I don't think that makes it any less offensive.

Moggy wrote:...What shouldn’t happen after literally hundreds of years of enslavement, abuse and bigotry is for the exact same group that coined the horrible word to say “well we don’t like the word anymore, if we can’t use it then nobody should”.

That's not the same thing as black people themselves saying "nobody should use this word - especially not the black community". Instead, we have a situation where, for some, the n-word has become a sort of social fetish - something to be said at every opportunity to do so safely - and it has no place in a multicultural society. White rap fans can't use the n-word, but can you really not see why they would want to? Haven't they culturally misappropriated everything else?

jawafour wrote:I think that sectors of people whom the bad words are targeted at perhaps use the bad words themselves in order to "reclaim" them? In effect, to lessen the impact and take away some of the horrible intent?...

Such a reclamation would require, as you say, the impact of offence to be lessened - which is patently not the case with the n-word. I can see how the term 'gay' has become less offensive, to the point where it is celebrated by homosexuals, heterosexuals (and everything in between) alike. Not so with the n-word. Rather, I would suggest that black people use the n-word as a direct result of internalized oppression, where they think negatively about themselves and others of their own ethnicity.

I'm not suggesting that all entertainment containing the n-word should be banned... but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I don't find its use edgy and cool, which is how it is often portrayed - I just think it's embarrassing.

This topic makes for an interesting read!

Jenuall wrote:

My man

Ryanair passenger says he simply 'lost his temper' in argument over seats as he denies being racist

He should be honest and explain his only real regret is being caught on camera.

Rubix wrote:

Ryanair passenger says he simply 'lost his temper' in argument over seats as he denies being racist

"It's not my fault, the blacks made me do it!"

He's not racist He just spews racist and sexist pejoratives when his mask to slips after someone horrifically slights him.

Rubix wrote:

Ryanair passenger says he simply 'lost his temper' in argument over seats as he denies being racist

It's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you - Rachel Dawes (the first)

Saint of Killers wrote:He's not racist He just spews racist and sexist pejoratives when his mask to slips after someone horrifically slights him.

That’s unfair, who amongst us hasn’t racially abused an old lady while getting annoyed about a seat?

Good for her and her family rejecting his "apology"