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He turned up to a Children's birthday Party, got his gun and threatened to kill them all (including the Children) All whilst using racial slurs.

13 years seems about right to me personally.

I just don't see the value in throwing someone in prison when they could be given community service or put under house arrest or get "re-educated". Sure he's a racist arsehole who could be violent, but does anyone think him going to prison is going to correct that? He'll become even more racist, even more prone to violence, and then eventually get out and be in a far worse position and far less valuable to society than before he went in.

WTF goes through some people's heads, disgusting behaviour.

Preezy wrote:I just don't see the value in throwing someone in prison when they could be given community service or put under house arrest or get "re-educated". Sure he's a racist arsehole who could be violent, but does anyone think him going to prison is going to correct that? He'll become even more racist, even more prone to violence, and then eventually get out and be in a far worse position and far less valuable to society than before he went in.

Albear wrote:He turned up to a Children's birthday Party, got his gun and threatened to kill them all (including the Children) All whilst using racial slurs.

Yeah he sounds like the sort of bloke that will sort himself out with a spot of community service. Maybe he could paint the local school or something?

Moggy wrote:

Preezy wrote:I just don't see the value in throwing someone in prison when they could be given community service or put under house arrest or get "re-educated". Sure he's a racist arsehole who could be violent, but does anyone think him going to prison is going to correct that? He'll become even more racist, even more prone to violence, and then eventually get out and be in a far worse position and far less valuable to society than before he went in.

Albear wrote:He turned up to a Children's birthday Party, got his gun and threatened to kill them all (including the Children) All whilst using racial slurs.

Yeah he sounds like the sort of bloke that will sort himself out with a spot of community service. Maybe he could paint the local school or something?

Or he could become attorney general.

Hexx wrote:Not clicking Infowars - but is there actually any leftists outraged by this?

No. The people they quote from Twitter include Louise strawberry floating Mensch for gawd's sake. As Moggy said, people just pointed out that it seemed disrespectful.

Rex Kramer wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Preezy wrote:I just don't see the value in throwing someone in prison when they could be given community service or put under house arrest or get "re-educated". Sure he's a racist arsehole who could be violent, but does anyone think him going to prison is going to correct that? He'll become even more racist, even more prone to violence, and then eventually get out and be in a far worse position and far less valuable to society than before he went in.

Albear wrote:He turned up to a Children's birthday Party, got his gun and threatened to kill them all (including the Children) All whilst using racial slurs.

Yeah he sounds like the sort of bloke that will sort himself out with a spot of community service. Maybe he could paint the local school or something?

Or he could become attorney general.

Or he could dress up as a clown and perform at children's birthday parties?

Blue Eyes wrote:

Hexx wrote:Not clicking Infowars - but is there actually any leftists outraged by this?

No. The people they quote from Twitter include Louise strawberry floating Mensch for gawd's sake. As Moggy said, people just pointed out that it seemed disrespectful.

Anyway, nobody cares that Conway has a way of alternative sitting.

You should see the racist comments BTL on this particular article. Shockingly, Infowars seems to attract a large number of bigoted banana splits!

Blue Eyes wrote: Shockingly, Infowars seems to attract a large number of bigoted banana splits!

Really? Infowars? Bigots? I am stunned!

Preezy wrote:I just don't see the value in throwing someone in prison when they could be given community service or put under house arrest or get "re-educated". Sure he's a racist arsehole who could be violent, but does anyone think him going to prison is going to correct that? He'll become even more racist, even more prone to violence, and then eventually get out and be in a far worse position and far less valuable to society than before he went in.

Better to be violent locked away than at a kids party though, yes?

Moggy wrote:Yeah he sounds like the sort of bloke that will sort himself out with a spot of community service. Maybe he could paint the local school or something?

That would be more helpful to society than having him sat in prison as part of a white supremacist gang, no?

Preezy wrote:

Moggy wrote:Yeah he sounds like the sort of bloke that will sort himself out with a spot of community service. Maybe he could paint the local school or something?

That would be more helpful to society than having him sat in prison as part of a white supremacist gang, no?

What's more helpful to society.

1. Racist that threatened to kill kids sits in jail

2. Racist that threatened to kill kids shows up to paint their school

Blue Eyes wrote:This banana split is claiming that "the left" have got their knickers in a twist over Kellyanne Conway sitting with her feet on an Oval Office couch.

twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/836567189562003457

I really doubt they are but it definitely is weird that she is sitting like that in an official building. I still rather think this PJW bloke is just being a banana split.

Some probably have on Twitter. It's very easy to pen any narrative you want using Twitter quotes. The Moan does it every single day.

I don't know why it's so difficult for people (in general, not you in particular Moggy) to grasp the concept that prison isn't always the answer.

Lock up the murderers, rapists and child molesters, sure. But this endless black hole of just flinging people into prison for an arbitrary length of time in the hope that the offenders or society will improve is a fallacy. And how do we know this is a fallacy? Because prisons still exist, they're full of people, and people are STILL committing crimes. It's not a deterrent, it costs the taxpayer a HUGE amount of money, it fosters rasicm and gang culture and the dehumanisation of people.

I get that the people this guy abused and threatened will feel safer knowing that he's in prison, but eventually he'll be out again and do you think for a second that those people will be "oh well he's served his sentence, no need to worry now"? They'll be just as scared and will probably live in fear of reprisal from him or his associates. If he'd been given a hefty community sentence then he might have learnt the value in a hard days work or seeing your actions result in something positive for your community. But no, chuck him in the bin and let him get swallowed by the criminal justice system.

If you treat people like animals, they will act like animals. If you treat them like humans and offer them a path of redemption where they have some sense of self worth or purpose then you'll have far more positive outcomes overall.

I'm ranting now and so all of that will no doubt be full of holes that you'll enjoy picking apart, but the tl;dr is that prison shouldn't be the default option for offenders.

Blue Eyes wrote:

twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/836567189562003457

Has anyone ever actually seen her standing up? Maybe she's got no legs

if you squint it looks like it's a thumbnail for porn.

Preezy wrote:I don't know why it's so difficult for people (in general, not you in particular Moggy) to grasp the concept that prison isn't always the answer.

Lock up the murderers, rapists and child molesters, sure. But this endless black hole of just flinging people into prison for an arbitrary length of time in the hope that the offenders or society will improve is a fallacy. And how do we know this is a fallacy? Because prisons still exist, they're full of people, and people are STILL committing crimes. It's not a deterrent, it costs the taxpayer a HUGE amount of money, it fosters rasicm and gang culture and the dehumanisation of people.

I get that the people this guy abused and threatened will feel safer knowing that he's in prison, but eventually he'll be out again and do you think for a second that those people will be "oh well he's served his sentence, no need to worry now"? They'll be just as scared and will probably live in fear of reprisal from him or his associates. If he'd been given a hefty community sentence then he might have learnt the value in a hard days work or seeing your actions result in something positive for your community. But no, chuck him in the bin and let him get swallowed by the criminal justice system.

If you treat people like animals, they will act like animals. If you treat them like humans and offer them a path of redemption where they have some sense of self worth or purpose then you'll have far more positive outcomes overall.

I'm ranting now and so all of that will no doubt be full of holes that you'll enjoy picking apart, but the tl;dr is that prison shouldn't be the default option for offenders.

I agree with you that prison is not always the answer. In the US there are a huge number of people incarcerated for ridiculous offences or mild things like dealing or possessing a little bit of weed. And that's before we get into "3 strikes and your out" and mandatory minimums etc.

For non violent crimes I would be on the same page as you.

But I don't see it in this case. This is a violent racist that threatens children with guns. strawberry float him.

Preezy wrote:I don't know why it's so difficult for people (in general, not you in particular Moggy) to grasp the concept that prison isn't always the answer.

Lock up the murderers, rapists and child molesters, sure. But this endless black hole of just flinging people into prison for an arbitrary length of time in the hope that the offenders or society will improve is a fallacy. And how do we know this is a fallacy? Because prisons still exist, they're full of people, and people are STILL committing crimes. It's not a deterrent, it costs the taxpayer a HUGE amount of money, it fosters rasicm and gang culture and the dehumanisation of people.

I get that the people this guy abused and threatened will feel safer knowing that he's in prison, but eventually he'll be out again and do you think for a second that those people will be "oh well he's served his sentence, no need to worry now"? They'll be just as scared and will probably live in fear of reprisal from him or his associates. If he'd been given a hefty community sentence then he might have learnt the value in a hard days work or seeing your actions result in something positive for your community. But no, chuck him in the bin and let him get swallowed by the criminal justice system.

If you treat people like animals, they will act like animals. If you treat them like humans and offer them a path of redemption where they have some sense of self worth or purpose then you'll have far more positive outcomes overall.

I'm ranting now and so all of that will no doubt be full of holes that you'll enjoy picking apart, but the tl;dr is that prison shouldn't be the default option for offenders.

Well no it isn't.
But no one's said it should be have they.
Some pillock who points a shotgun at small kids while shouting racist driven threats?
Might be the best default option for them.

One again, Moggy speak volumes for me. There are masses of cases where an argument that prison was not the best option for the defendant could be made. This, however, is not one of them.