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strawberry floating lol talk about dismissive.

Dig Dug wrote:strawberry floating lol talk about dismissive.

Yeah. Perhaps this isn't the place to talk about all this, but when you straight up dismiss 4 of the best pieces of gaming journalism of the last few years (some of which have led to genuine shifts in the industry) then perhaps the problem isn't with the sites.

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Cool cool, go in peace. And don't worry, I won't be requesting you remove the sig I made for you. Please, continue to enjoy it.

Tafdolphin wrote:4 of the best pieces of gaming journalism of the last few years

You posted the anthem one twice, quite interested in seeing what you meant to link instead?

I thought Taf was just implying that Anthem really went wrong!

OrangeRKN wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:4 of the best pieces of gaming journalism of the last few years

You posted the anthem one twice, quite interested in seeing what you meant to link instead?

Ah whoops. Was supposed to be this one

https://kotaku.com/inside-rockstar-game ... 1829936466

(also a good indictment of Gemini's blind rejection of my point)

Yeah, but for every one of those there are several manufactured outrage clickbait pieces like "Is Persona calling us retarded?" multiple years after P5 is out based on mishearing the lyrics and published before waiting for response from Atlus just to ride the hype.

Just to drag RPS into this because they were also mentioned, let's not forget "what a catfish taught me about love at the FFXIV Fanfest" or whatever the title was where: the author interviewed people without disclosing that he was a reporter; mocked the cosplayers by referring to them as "foam peacocks" for spending up to days of work on their craft; painted the playerbase as some sexed up cult due to there being a shrine to a dead character that started as a joke that got popular; wasted time in a very limited group press interview asking Yoshi-P about ERP, citing Kotaku and their "water is wet" exposé on people roleplaying in this MMO. It just read as "I don't fully understand and am making no attempt to, let's just laugh instead."

Just because one part of the bread isn't spread with gooseberry fool doesn't mean it's not a gooseberry fool sandwich and if you're going to get pissy about Gemini dismissing your examples you can't just ignore cases of blatant awful journalism.

It's not like I pulled these up from years ago, these sites are still doing this and so how anybody can defend them is beyond me.

Met wrote:Just because one part of the bread isn't spread with gooseberry fool doesn't mean it's not a gooseberry fool sandwich and if you're going to get pissy about Gemini dismissing your examples you can't just ignore cases of blatant awful journalism.

Ok.

Firstly, looking at the thread objectively as I can, there's one person who's gotten pissy in this thread and it certainly wasn't me. Putting another poster on mute and hurling personal insults has only happened once.

Second, there's been no ignoring of anything. Several posters pointed out their disdain of Kotaku and I presented a counter-argument. In your last post, you posted a counter to my point which I will address now. I haven't ignored anything.

To that last point then... yes, blog/magazine sites do come with a fair amount of filler articles to complement/offset (depending on your viewpoint) the decent investigative pieces. Personally I don't think the two extremes bear any relation to each other. Yes there are bad articles on Kotaku. No this doesn't mean their investigative work is any less sterling. I do not agree with your gooseberry fool sandwich analogy.

Where we really differ is that because of the filler you seem to be dismissing the site as a whole. Which is a shame as you're missing out on some great stuff. I don't have this dismissal instinct, hence my defending of Kotaku's quality content.

Lastly, and this perhaps applies to Gemini more than you, there seems to be a dismissal of several sites due to the increasing presence of a politically left viewpoint. In the reviews thread, there was this exchange

Gemini73 wrote:

Cal wrote:Magazine reviews I never bother with. I had been a long-time subscriber of both EDGE and Games™, but when they both dived fell face-first into blatant political grandstanding (EDGE in particular became increasingly insufferable in this respect) I cancelled both and I don't bother with any online gaming review sites for much the same reason. Sites like Polygon and Eurogamer are Kryptonite to me (if occasionally still worth it for the laughs when their activism gets the better of their objectivity).

I used to sub to Edge and gamestm, but you're right they both became quite tiresome. Some of Edge's contributors also write for Eurogamer so there's your connection there for the political grandstanding and an explanation for magazines decline with regards to the quality of the writing.

Followed nicely by the exact response I was going to give, but which DANNN made for me:

DANNN!!! wrote:I missed the part of society where "not being an insufferable inhuman wanker" became "political grandstanding".

Kotaku employs a diverse team of journalists, including people from the trans and LGBTQ+ communities as well as many women and people of colour. These people, alongside their cis colleagues, have rightly raised up potentially concerning aspects of gaming culture for analysis. The article about Barrat was one of them.

Another example, and one that I think would fit Cal and Gemini's vision of political grandstanding, is this recent article from Polygon;

https://www.polygon.com/2019/5/13/18617 ... es-mutants

Last summer, I had a chance to talk with id Software studio director Tim Willits about Rage 2. After a relatively straightforward interview running through the game’s grabbag of inspirations, the conversation shifted to something more personal: my birth defect and how the game presents it as a crude joke.

Rage 2’s publisher Bethesda had just revealed a $119.99 collector’s edition that would come with a talking, robotic bust of Ruckus the Crusher, one of the game’s many goliath mutants. Like all the other Crushers in the game, Ruckus has a gash running from the top of its upper lip through his nose, as if its face didn’t fully form at birth.

This is an interesting piece, talking about a feature many would consider benign. I found it a heartfelt read that altered my perception on how some games treat physical defects as demarcating the otherness of evil and the effect this can have on real world sufferers of said issues. Others though...

https://www.ign.com/boards/threads/jfc- ... -519419026

Is this a joke? This has to be a joke, right? No one can be this overly bumpain about something that means so little.

I see echoes of this mentality in Gemini's blind, offhand dismissing of Kotaku. I know it's something established alt-righter Cal subscribes to. If I got pissy about anything in this thread* it was this.

*And I didn't.

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lol @ the instant dismissal of Kotaku when they're basically one of the few game sites that actually do proper journalism rather than pump out shite list articles 24/7, regurgitate press releases and kiss publisher's arses.

Did it never occur to some of you that clickbait and trashy articles are a necessary evil of the internet?
It costs money to run the site, it costs money to pay journalists and most importantly it costs money to fund the research that goes into the actual journalism.

Clickbaits and cash grabs pay for all this, that’s why the site editors allow, if not encourage writers to put out the kind of content that is going to attract the wrong kind of attention. You know the saying there’s no such thing as bad publicity? Well in the case if Kotaku that bad publicity pays for their good publicity.

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Dig Dug wrote:Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

I know why they do it, and yes, the system's strawberry floated. Doesn't mean I can't think everyone supporting the system is a banana split for playing into said system.

Met wrote:

Dig Dug wrote:Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

I know why they do it, and yes, the system's strawberry floated. Doesn't mean I can't think everyone supporting the system is a banana split for playing into said system.

What does 'playing into it' mean here? Working as a games journalist?

If by that you mean putting out clickbait and manufactured outrage with shoddy practices such as not mentioning you're a reporter or publishing before hearing back from sources, sure.

So you're concerned about ethics in games journalism...?

Not particularly, I just think it's a bit gooseberry fool and would rather not deal with low quality coverage.

This thread reads odd now and is hard to follow

I'm still enjoying FFCII ReRelease. Rocketing through it though (3x speed on/off at a click is amzing)

Hexx wrote:This thread reads odd now and is hard to follow

I'm still enjoying FFCII ReRelease. Rocketing through it though (3x speed on/off at a click is amzing)

Final Fantasy 102!

Worst "I've got a time machine" post ever.

The re-release is great though isn't it? I too have been enjoying the 3x speed option, really help keep things ticking along!

kotaku has tim rogers so any criticism is instantly overruled by that fact.