sawyerpip wrote:Fade wrote:sawyerpip wrote:Fade wrote:sawyerpip wrote:Fade wrote:sawyerpip wrote:Fade wrote:sawyerpip wrote:Can someone explain if I'm misunderstanding the ending?
I don't get why they were fighting the whispers when, apart from Aeris dying, the party is successful and they beat Sephiroth and Shinra to save the planet in the original timeline. It seemed to me that the creators were saying 'we want to leave things open to change and aren't going to do a remake going forward'?
The original FF7 ending shows Midgar being overgrown by plants and decaying.
We know this didn't happen right after the original game as because the characters still live there during Advent Children.
So the implication is that the original FF7 ending caused something to happen after Advent Children that wiped out human life or greatly reduced it (given that Midgar has the higher concentration of people on Gaia outside of Wutai)
That's why Red says
"a glimpse at what will happen if we fail here today"
I thought that was the whole point of the original though?
You save the planet and in future years the cities are deserted and nature has taken over again. I don't understand why the characters are trying to stop that. I didn't really bother with Advent Children so I'm just going from the game.
Because maybe they don't what a bunch of people to die?
I don't think a whole city of people would just abandon it and go love in the woods. The implication is that something happened to them.
Who says a bunch of people die? The original just suggests that humans turn away from technology and start living more in tune with the planet.
EDIT: just seen you have edited your post. I don't think there is any implication anything happened to the people. I saw it as the culmination of Avalanche's whole philosophy, the world is now more like Cosmo Canyon. Again I did not watch Advent Children, but I always thought that was clearly the point of the original.
Maybe you should watch advent children then?
Given the way they address it and the fact tons of people are still living there in advent children something clearly happened or Red wouldn't be so worried about it.
Can you explain what Red is worried about? You're basically saying that in the original, despite beating Sephiroth and saving the planet it's actually a bad ending because of something that happens in a sequel film that was never planned. That makes no sense. Taking the original as it stands, I don't understand why the characters would be unhappy with the outcome. As far as I'm aware the only flashforwards in the game were to things that happened in the original. Were there any flashforwards to the events of Advent Children?
Seems to me like you don't actually want me to explain anything.
The original ending is very ambiguous, but it's clear from Remake they've tried to give it more negative connotations.
If you don't understand it or like it I can't really do much about that.
Whether you like it or not a bunch of people don't just randomly get up a leave the biggest city on a planet without a really good reason. There's plenty of room for them to explain what might have happened in that time frame.
Seems to me like you're being condescending when trying to explain things but doing a really bad job of it.
I don't think it's clear at all from the remake why they are trying to stop the events of the original game, hence my first question, and I don't think any of your explanations have made it make any more sense. There is no reference to Advent Children in the game, or to events that occur after the original (and before Red's epilogue). I thought I may have missed something as to why what happens in the original is apparently bad, but based on your answers I haven't missed anything.
No I'm not, you just have a very concrete view of what you thought the ending of the original game meant which is why you're having trouble understanding how it fits into this game.
There's no direct reference, but the 3 mini bosses you fight
are derived from the 3 villains in advent children and advent children shows that people carried on living there after the events of the original game (which is why I keep bringing it up), that means something else must have happened to either make them move, or wipe them out.
Advent children came out in 2006 so I wouldn't be surprised if they had some idea what that thing might be while making that film, especially given the fact they even show the original ending right at the start
(in fact a lot of the clips they show in remake are from Advent Children)