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Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:48 pm
by Slartibartfast
Fatal Exception wrote:If you want your town stinking of human gooseberry fool. :lol: I've not looked into sewage processing, but I'm assuming the liquid contains lots of harmful cleaning chemicals.


No... bacteria does the breaking down of waste, sewage plants just provide the ideal conditions for that to happen.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:24 pm
by Meep
Pretty much everything you eat is made of recycled waste. That's how the nature works; we'd be drowning dead biomass if it did not. Objecting to reusing sewage for food production is just silly, especially when we have already been fertilising crops that way for decades.

Just thought I'd share that with you since its almost lunch time and all. :lol:

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:32 pm
by Fatal Exception

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:49 am
by Alvin Flummux
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Crazy how nature do dat.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:10 am
by still


That is brilliant. Prints out...

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:22 am
by Qikz
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150601122445.htm

"In a stunning discovery that overturns decades of textbook teaching, researchers have determined that the brain is directly connected to the immune system by vessels previously thought not to exist. The discovery could have profound implications for diseases from autism to Alzheimer's to multiple sclerosis"

"Instead of asking, 'How do we study the immune response of the brain?' 'Why do multiple sclerosis patients have the immune attacks?' now we can approach this mechanistically. Because the brain is like every other tissue connected to the peripheral immune system through meningeal lymphatic vessels," said Jonathan Kipnis, PhD, professor in the UVA Department of Neuroscience and director of UVA's Center for Brain Immunology and Glia (BIG). "It changes entirely the way we perceive the neuro-immune interaction. We always perceived it before as something esoteric that can't be studied. But now we can ask mechanistic questions."

"Alzheimer's, Autism, MS and Beyond

The unexpected presence of the lymphatic vessels raises a tremendous number of questions that now need answers, both about the workings of the brain and the diseases that plague it. For example, take Alzheimer's disease. "In Alzheimer's, there are accumulations of big protein chunks in the brain," Kipnis said. "We think they may be accumulating in the brain because they're not being efficiently removed by these vessels." He noted that the vessels look different with age, so the role they play in aging is another avenue to explore. And there's an enormous array of other neurological diseases, from autism to multiple sclerosis, that must be reconsidered in light of the presence of something science insisted did not exist."


This still needs to be confirmed by other researchers, but this is strawberry floating huge if it turns out to be true.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:25 am
by still

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:40 am
by Moggy


Stand up on it and it would be like a hoverboard.

The future is coming! :datass:

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:27 pm
by Rax
Philae Lander may have dioscovered extra terrestrial life.

independent.co.uk wrote:The Philae lander could be sat on a comet full of alien life — and we wouldn’t know if it was, according to two scientists.

The comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko’s black crust and other features are best explained by the fact that it has living organisms under its icy surface, they said.

Rosetta, the European space craft orbiting the comet, is also said to have picked up strange "clusters" of organic material that look suspiciously like viral particles.

But neither Rosetta nor its lander are equipped to search for direct evidence of life after a proposal to include this in the mission was allegedly laughed out of court.

Astronomer and astrobiologist Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe, who was involved in the mission planning 15 years ago, said: "I wanted to include a very inexpensive life-detection experiment. At the time it was thought this was a bizarre proposition."

He and colleague Dr Max Wallis, from the University of Cardiff, believe 67P and other comets like it could provide homes for living microbes similar to the "extremophiles" that inhabit the most inhospitable regions of the Earth.

Comets may have helped to sow the seeds of life on Earth and possibly other planets such as Mars early in the life of the solar system, they argue.

Philae made history last November after detaching from its Rosetta mothership and bouncing down on to the surface of the comet, coming to rest close to a cliff or crater wall.

After being forced into hibernation by the lack of sunlight reaching its solar panels, the probe has delighted scientists by "waking up" as the comet races towards the sun.

The comet, described as looking like a "rubber duck", has two lobes joined by a thinner neck and measures around four kilometres (2.5 miles) across. Currently it is about 176.7 million miles from Earth and travelling at more than 73,000 mph.

Prof Wickramasinghe and Dr Wallis have carried out computer simulations that suggest microbes could inhabit watery regions of the comet. Organisms containing anti-freeze salts could be active at temperatures as low as minus 40C, their research shows.

The comet has a black hydrocarbon crust overlaying ice, smooth icy "seas", and flat-bottomed craters containing "lakes" of re-frozen water overlain with organic debris.

Prof Wickramasinghe said: "What we're saying is that data coming from the comet seems to unequivocally, in my opinion, point to micro-organisms being involved in the formation of the icy structures, the preponderance of aromatic hydrocarbons, and the very dark surface.

"These are not easily explained in terms of pre-biotic chemistry.

"The dark material is being constantly replenished as it is boiled off by heat from the sun. Something must be doing that at a fairly prolific rate."

He said several cracks in the ice had been shown to be "spewing out material" that is falling on to the surface.

"I think the microbiotic activity just under the surface results in gas which builds up to the point where the overlaying layers of ice can't withstand the stresses," said the professor.

Biological mechanisms were the likely explanation for the large quantities of organic gases that had been observed around comets, along with water, he maintained.

Philae had confirmed the presence of "ring and linear chain" organic molecules on the surface of 67P that were more complex than simple hydrocarbons such as methane, said Prof Wickramasinghe. However it was impossible to say if these represented amino acids, the building blocks of proteins.

One tantalising find was the discovery of organic "particle clusters" by Rosetta in the gases surrounding the comet, which resembled viral particles collected from the Earth's upper atmosphere.

"They might be viral particles," said Prof Wickramasinghe.

As the comet reaches its closest point to the sun - a distance of 195 million kilometres (121 million miles) - its family of micro-organisms is likely to become more active, say the scientists.

Prof Wickramasinghe, director of the Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology, believes it is time for a complete shift of thinking about the possibility of alien life.

He said: "The current estimate for the number of extra-solar planets in the galaxy is 140 billion plus. Planets that can harbour life are really quite abundant in the galaxy, and the next neighbouring system to us is only spitting distance away. I think it's inevitable that life is going to be a cosmic phenomenon.

"Five hundred years ago it was a struggle to have people accept that the Earth was not the centre of the universe. After that revolution our thinking has remained Earth-centred in relation to life and biology. It's deeply ingrained in our scientific culture and it will take a lot of evidence to kick it over."

He pointed out that when proof of organic molecules in space emerged in the 1970s "the rebuttals were fierce" from the scientific establishment.

Future missions to 67P and other comets should include life-seeking instruments, he said. But space agencies appeared reluctant to engage in a serious quest for life that risked challenging "a long established paradigm".

Dr Wallis said: "Rosetta has already shown that the comet is not to be seen as a deep-frozen inactive body, but supports geological processes and could be more hospitable to micro-life than our Arctic and Antarctic regions."


Pretty exciting if true.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:57 pm
by Victor Mildew
That is incredible, if only it could be proven.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:59 pm
by SEP
I get the feeling we are only a few years away from discovering microbial life in space.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:03 pm
by Victor Mildew
They've already found it in Liverpool.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:09 pm
by SEP
Ad7 wrote:They've already found it in Liverpool.


I know Liverpool is a strange, unfathomable place full of unusual lifeforms which speak languages incomprehensible to human ears, but it's not actually in space.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:48 pm
by That
If it's credible, they will surely find a way to make Philae test it. It's a washing machine sized box literally stuffed full of scientific instruments, they'll be something there they can use!

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:42 am
by Poser
Rax wrote:Philae Lander may have dioscovered extra terrestrial life.

independent.co.uk wrote:The Philae lander could be sat on a comet full of alien life — and we wouldn’t know if it was, according to two scientists.

The comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko’s black crust and other features are best explained by the fact that it has living organisms under its icy surface, they said.

Rosetta, the European space craft orbiting the comet, is also said to have picked up strange "clusters" of organic material that look suspiciously like viral particles.

But neither Rosetta nor its lander are equipped to search for direct evidence of life after a proposal to include this in the mission was allegedly laughed out of court.

Astronomer and astrobiologist Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe, who was involved in the mission planning 15 years ago, said: "I wanted to include a very inexpensive life-detection experiment. At the time it was thought this was a bizarre proposition."

He and colleague Dr Max Wallis, from the University of Cardiff, believe 67P and other comets like it could provide homes for living microbes similar to the "extremophiles" that inhabit the most inhospitable regions of the Earth.

Comets may have helped to sow the seeds of life on Earth and possibly other planets such as Mars early in the life of the solar system, they argue.

Philae made history last November after detaching from its Rosetta mothership and bouncing down on to the surface of the comet, coming to rest close to a cliff or crater wall.

After being forced into hibernation by the lack of sunlight reaching its solar panels, the probe has delighted scientists by "waking up" as the comet races towards the sun.

The comet, described as looking like a "rubber duck", has two lobes joined by a thinner neck and measures around four kilometres (2.5 miles) across. Currently it is about 176.7 million miles from Earth and travelling at more than 73,000 mph.

Prof Wickramasinghe and Dr Wallis have carried out computer simulations that suggest microbes could inhabit watery regions of the comet. Organisms containing anti-freeze salts could be active at temperatures as low as minus 40C, their research shows.

The comet has a black hydrocarbon crust overlaying ice, smooth icy "seas", and flat-bottomed craters containing "lakes" of re-frozen water overlain with organic debris.

Prof Wickramasinghe said: "What we're saying is that data coming from the comet seems to unequivocally, in my opinion, point to micro-organisms being involved in the formation of the icy structures, the preponderance of aromatic hydrocarbons, and the very dark surface.

"These are not easily explained in terms of pre-biotic chemistry.

"The dark material is being constantly replenished as it is boiled off by heat from the sun. Something must be doing that at a fairly prolific rate."

He said several cracks in the ice had been shown to be "spewing out material" that is falling on to the surface.

"I think the microbiotic activity just under the surface results in gas which builds up to the point where the overlaying layers of ice can't withstand the stresses," said the professor.

Biological mechanisms were the likely explanation for the large quantities of organic gases that had been observed around comets, along with water, he maintained.

Philae had confirmed the presence of "ring and linear chain" organic molecules on the surface of 67P that were more complex than simple hydrocarbons such as methane, said Prof Wickramasinghe. However it was impossible to say if these represented amino acids, the building blocks of proteins.

One tantalising find was the discovery of organic "particle clusters" by Rosetta in the gases surrounding the comet, which resembled viral particles collected from the Earth's upper atmosphere.

"They might be viral particles," said Prof Wickramasinghe.

As the comet reaches its closest point to the sun - a distance of 195 million kilometres (121 million miles) - its family of micro-organisms is likely to become more active, say the scientists.

Prof Wickramasinghe, director of the Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology, believes it is time for a complete shift of thinking about the possibility of alien life.

He said: "The current estimate for the number of extra-solar planets in the galaxy is 140 billion plus. Planets that can harbour life are really quite abundant in the galaxy, and the next neighbouring system to us is only spitting distance away. I think it's inevitable that life is going to be a cosmic phenomenon.

"Five hundred years ago it was a struggle to have people accept that the Earth was not the centre of the universe. After that revolution our thinking has remained Earth-centred in relation to life and biology. It's deeply ingrained in our scientific culture and it will take a lot of evidence to kick it over."

He pointed out that when proof of organic molecules in space emerged in the 1970s "the rebuttals were fierce" from the scientific establishment.

Future missions to 67P and other comets should include life-seeking instruments, he said. But space agencies appeared reluctant to engage in a serious quest for life that risked challenging "a long established paradigm".

Dr Wallis said: "Rosetta has already shown that the comet is not to be seen as a deep-frozen inactive body, but supports geological processes and could be more hospitable to micro-life than our Arctic and Antarctic regions."


Pretty exciting if true.


I call bullshit.

That all sounds fairly non-scientific to me. He's had an idea, nobody backed him up, and now he's followed that up with some probably-unprovable suppositions, based on his original idea.

He's very quick to play the 'people once thought the earth was flat' card, which is internet forum level science.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:14 am
by That
They've confirmed that Philae found organic molecules on the comet.

Organic molecules aren't the same as life - they're the hydrocarbon building blocks that make life possible. I don't think there are bacteria on the comet, but it is remarkable that we seem to find these compounds simply everywhere we look.

It is only a matter of time before we confirm beyond all doubt that we are not alone in the universe. I hope I live to see it!

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:27 am
by SEP
Karl wrote:It is only a matter of time before we confirm beyond all doubt that we are not alone in the universe. I hope I live to see it!


With the pace of discovery lately, I suspect it will be sooner rather than later. Certainly within our lifetimes.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:28 am
by Victor Mildew
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Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:42 am
by False
There was a story the other day that they'd given some little kid a double hand transplant, too.

SCIENCE.

Re: Science - strawberry float YEAH

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:00 pm
by Victor Mildew
Anyone watching the meteor shower? Seen a few good ones already.