[DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!

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Should Scotland be an independent country?

YES (I am eligible to vote in the referendum)
30
16%
NO (I am eligible to vote in the referendum)
19
10%
YES (I will not be eligible)
30
16%
NO (I will not be eligible)
111
58%
 
Total votes: 190
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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by CuriousOyster » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:23 pm

[iup=3568200]Corazon de Leon[/iup] wrote:A woman from Merseyside apparently got beaten up at a polling station in Shettleston. strawberry floating hell.


Do you know where Hillhead in Kirkintilloch is Corza? I think I recall you saying you lived in Cumbernauld?Yeah apparently there was a fight at their polling station, loads of police :lol: Not surprising really.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Hexx » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:32 pm

'Exit' poll has 54% No, 46% Yes

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Mockmaster » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:41 pm

What to watch? BBC Scotland? BBC One? Newsnight?

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Gorrable » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:52 pm

You can now get 14/1 on a yes vote or 1/18 on a no vote on betfair.

Games and Stuff.

If you can read this, you're too close.
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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Hexx » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:58 pm

The sample size of that poll was only 1800 though

Youguv CEO has said 99% certain to be a no (while saying he may look stupid in a few hours :P)

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Monkey Man » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:59 pm


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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Alvin Flummux » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:00 pm

[iup=3568214]elite knight danbo[/iup] wrote:I sure as strawberry float didn't get polled. :s

[iup=3568208]Dan.[/iup] wrote:Going to be fascinating - possibly historic - news to wake up to tomorrow morning. Regardless of the result Scotland will still be part of Britain geographically and I, like the vast majority of the English, have nothing but time for Scotland and the Scottish. Tomorrow might change our relationship, perhaps forever, but that's all - it will change it, not end it.


I think if and when positive change comes out of independence, the people of England will not be long in following suit with a strong, "just next door" example of how to do things. That is what I think of when I hear the term "Better Together".


Are you saying Scotland will strawberry float up, or be a good example?

There's no way Scotland's getting independence without going through years of the economic gooseberry fools.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Luboluke » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:04 pm

Voted Yes, and I've been anticipating a Yes vote all week, but now I feel as if reality is sinking in, and that was just my minute facebook community all in agreement (not to mention I went to Catholic school). But I feel as if all this passion, debate, enthusiasm, and general rejuvenation of democracy is going to dissipate in the event of a No vote, and I'll be absolutely gutted if it happens. The best I can hope for is that it actually will revitalise politics in this country (the UK) no matter what happens, because if nothing else this has shown that if people are allowed to make decisions that make a difference, and given options which matter, then they will turn out in their droves to let their voices be heard.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Captain Kinopio » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:28 pm

Why are some people so suddenly sure of a No vote if there's been no new polling.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Bigerich » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:28 pm

[iup=3568265]Alvin Flummux[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568214]elite knight danbo[/iup] wrote:I sure as strawberry float didn't get polled. :s

[iup=3568208]Dan.[/iup] wrote:Going to be fascinating - possibly historic - news to wake up to tomorrow morning. Regardless of the result Scotland will still be part of Britain geographically and I, like the vast majority of the English, have nothing but time for Scotland and the Scottish. Tomorrow might change our relationship, perhaps forever, but that's all - it will change it, not end it.


I think if and when positive change comes out of independence, the people of England will not be long in following suit with a strong, "just next door" example of how to do things. That is what I think of when I hear the term "Better Together".


Are you saying Scotland will strawberry float up, or be a good example?

There's no way Scotland's getting independence without going through years of the economic gooseberry fools.



Prediction: In ten years time, both side will be saying "I told you so!"

There's really no realistic way to determine whether independence or not was the "right answer".

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Winckle » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:30 pm

Because old people don't use Facebook, and old people would rather not spend their last years in a country changing economically.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Luboluke » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:33 pm

[iup=3568279]Lucien[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568267]Luke_25[/iup] wrote:Voted Yes, and I've been anticipating a Yes vote all week, but now I feel as if reality is sinking in, and that was just my minute facebook community all in agreement (not to mention I went to Catholic school). But I feel as if all this passion, debate, enthusiasm, and general rejuvenation of democracy is going to dissipate in the event of a No vote, and I'll be absolutely gutted if it happens. The best I can hope for is that it actually will revitalise politics in this country (the UK) no matter what happens, because if nothing else this has shown that if people are allowed to make decisions that make a difference, and given options which matter, then they will turn out in their droves to let their voices be heard.


I've yet to meet someone with Facebook who has it full of anything other than Yes voters.

I don't know who these polls are asking. It's not 50/50 anywhere I've asked.


I know, it's strange, the No voters are definitely keeping quieter anyway - I'm not sure what that says - it's just not as proud a statement is it? Social media in general definitely has a Yes edge I think. I've seen quite a lot of old people with No stickers and the like, it all seems to stem from self interest, my pension, my mortgage, my money etc.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Meep » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:33 pm

Old media is almost entirely controlled by Better Together and its supporters. The independence side has much better grass roots and social media organisation. This is partly because the no side lazily assumed they would keep their initially large lead did not have to bother campaigning as hard. If there is a yes vote then they will have to live with the fact they could have tried harder.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Parksey » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:46 pm

Weirdly, the Scottish people I know from Uni have been posting stuff for the No campaign and I presume that is how they voted.

In contrast, a few English friends have said that if they were in the same situation, they would vote Yes (and not just in a "let's get rid of them" due to spite mess about either).

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Luboluke » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:50 pm

[iup=3568282]Herbi[/iup] wrote:Why are some people so suddenly sure of a No vote if there's been no new polling.


Because when you go outside and I've been to a few polling stations today, and I see the NO posters that surround them, and I remember that there's quite a large right-wing working class population in this country, and then there's that older generation, they're not activists and they don't say what they're thinking but I know they want to keep things the way they are. And I remember that most people in this country just blame their problems on the immigrants or the unemployed and not the people who actually control things, and most of them won't vote yes because they've been told it's too scary.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:52 pm

[iup=3568298]Luke_25[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568282]Herbi[/iup] wrote:Why are some people so suddenly sure of a No vote if there's been no new polling.


Because when you go outside and I've been to a few polling stations today, and I see the NO posters that surround them, and I remember that there's quite a large right-wing working class population in this country, and then there's that older generation, they're not activists and they don't say what they're thinking but I know they want to keep things the way they are. And I remember that most people in this country just blame their problems on the immigrants or the unemployed and not the people who actually control things, and most of them won't vote yes because they've been told it's too scary.


Is it not possible that they just like the way things are and that they are happy being part of the United Kingdom?

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Luboluke » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:01 am

[iup=3568300]Return_of_the_STAR[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568298]Luke_25[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568282]Herbi[/iup] wrote:Why are some people so suddenly sure of a No vote if there's been no new polling.


Because when you go outside and I've been to a few polling stations today, and I see the NO posters that surround them, and I remember that there's quite a large right-wing working class population in this country, and then there's that older generation, they're not activists and they don't say what they're thinking but I know they want to keep things the way they are. And I remember that most people in this country just blame their problems on the immigrants or the unemployed and not the people who actually control things, and most of them won't vote yes because they've been told it's too scary.


Is it not possible that they just like the way things are and that they are happy being part of the United Kingdom?


And everything is great and things are going to be wonderful? Are you happy with the way things are ROts? What influence do you have on the political process, even locally? Have you ever seen democracy in effect as such as it has been in this referendum?

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Captain Kinopio » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:12 am

[iup=3568305]Luke_25[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568300]Return_of_the_STAR[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568298]Luke_25[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568282]Herbi[/iup] wrote:Why are some people so suddenly sure of a No vote if there's been no new polling.


Because when you go outside and I've been to a few polling stations today, and I see the NO posters that surround them, and I remember that there's quite a large right-wing working class population in this country, and then there's that older generation, they're not activists and they don't say what they're thinking but I know they want to keep things the way they are. And I remember that most people in this country just blame their problems on the immigrants or the unemployed and not the people who actually control things, and most of them won't vote yes because they've been told it's too scary.


Is it not possible that they just like the way things are and that they are happy being part of the United Kingdom?


And everything is great and things are going to be wonderful? Are you happy with the way things are ROts? What influence do you have on the political process, even locally? Have you ever seen democracy in effect as such as it has been in this referendum?


Yes,

I went to see The National instead of voting in the last election.

Democracy rocks :datass:

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Luboluke » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:16 am

I don't blame you!

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:18 am

[iup=3568308]Herbi[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568305]Luke_25[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568300]Return_of_the_STAR[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568298]Luke_25[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3568282]Herbi[/iup] wrote:Why are some people so suddenly sure of a No vote if there's been no new polling.


Because when you go outside and I've been to a few polling stations today, and I see the NO posters that surround them, and I remember that there's quite a large right-wing working class population in this country, and then there's that older generation, they're not activists and they don't say what they're thinking but I know they want to keep things the way they are. And I remember that most people in this country just blame their problems on the immigrants or the unemployed and not the people who actually control things, and most of them won't vote yes because they've been told it's too scary.


Is it not possible that they just like the way things are and that they are happy being part of the United Kingdom?


And everything is great and things are going to be wonderful? Are you happy with the way things are ROts? What influence do you have on the political process, even locally? Have you ever seen democracy in effect as such as it has been in this referendum?


Yes,

I went to see The National instead of voting in the last election.

Democracy rocks :datass:


:lol:

Luke I have no idea why you've written that to me in such an aggressive manner. I was simply saying that some people must surely just be happy with the current set up and don't want change. They won't be swayed as they are happy how they are.


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