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PostRe: Server migration
by Lagamorph » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:29 pm

Never hurts to have more people putting "How do I do <task>" into Google :slol:

Not that I ever do that at work of course.

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PostRe: Server migration
by Minty14 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:44 pm

Karl_ wrote:No pressure on anyone, but hypothetically if the six of us put ~£3.30 each in, we could set up a Hetzner CX41 instance for a month and actually test how well it handles everything. Happy for all of us to have sudo access. Amongst other things, we can do some stress tests, and set up a logger to spot routing issues (I know Winckle has had some concerns about their network infrastructure). If it's good we can keep the instance up and start migrating there, and if it's crap at least we know we need to use a different provider.

Not suggesting this is the only way forward (please discuss!) but might be worth it to make a bit of progress and it'd only be a few quid each.

Sure, I'd be down for that.

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PostRe: Server migration
by Minty14 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:45 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Never hurts to have more people putting "How do I do <task>" into Google :slol:

Not that I ever do that at work of course.

Hey, it takes years of experience to learn how to spot a useful Google result and then actually figure out what the strawberry float it says. :lol:

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PostRe: Server migration
by Winckle » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:53 pm

Karl, to be clear do you mean to test discourse migration? I've had an import running on a $10 linode for ten days now and it's under 25% complete. This migration process seems to require some beef behind it. What does $15 with Hetzner get you?

We should migrate GRcade to Discourse.
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PostRe: Server migration
by Karl_ » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:01 pm

Winckle wrote:Karl, to be clear do you mean to test discourse migration?

Yeah, that should be one of the things we run some tests on I think. Besides that we should also see for ourselves what the general reliability, speed, service, etc. is like nowadays on that provider. We can run a network and system logger for a while to see what the performance is like. If we're happy, we can start setting up things like Nginx and the mailserver on that instance.

Winckle wrote:I've had an import running on a $10 linode for ten days now and it's under 25% complete. This migration process seems to require some beef behind it. What does $15 with Hetzner get you?

4 cores, 16 gigs of memory, and 160 gigs of solid state storage.

The cheapest Linode is just one core, right? But core speed and typical load on the physical node might matter too. It might not be 4x faster on the Hetzner box.

Would it be better to just export a year's worth of posts and threads from this forum, then test with that? If we can get that working, one of us can use a home server to do the full conversion if/when we are actually doing the migration.

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PostRe: Server migration
by Karl_ » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:32 pm

Karl_ wrote:
Winckle wrote:I've had an import running on a $10 linode for ten days now and it's under 25% complete. This migration process seems to require some beef behind it. What does $15 with Hetzner get you?

4 cores, 16 gigs of memory, and 160 gigs of solid state storage.

Just realised I completely misread this. $15 would be closer to the next one down. It would be 2/8/80. https://www.hetzner.com/cloud

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PostRe: Server migration
by False » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:26 am

I can chuck some cash in but only if I get a special badge and get treated better than everyone else

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PostRe: Server migration
by Minty14 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:09 pm

EDIT: Wrong thread.

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PostRe: Server migration
by Karl_ » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:56 pm

False wrote:I can chuck some cash in but only if I get a special badge and get treated better than everyone else

Done.

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PostRe: Server migration
by False » Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:08 pm

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PostRe: Server migration
by Earfolds » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:27 am

I'd be happy to help out.

I've been running linode VPS instances exclusively for years now, and would consider VPS adequate for quite a lot, these days.

The £20/mo deal at Hetzner seems pretty good by price alone. I'd pay attention to performance, but I'd say it'd most likely be good enough for a forum and probably good enough for murmurd too.

I specifically run minecraft servers on dedicated resources with a buttload of RAM, though, and wouldn't recommend trying to run it on something small.

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PostRe: Server migration
by Green Gecko » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:26 pm

Trouble is we were on a VPS before (in Texas, strawberry floating latency :lol:) and we kept getting errors, we tend to max out CPU on VDS as well until our host tried to force us onto a dedicated server until we left.

So we need some flexible resources, otherwise it would probably be OK. This might be remediated by using more efficient software or reducing the size of our database by archiving the past 10 years somewhere else, although I would want to set up a gooseberry fool tonne of 301 redirects so we don't nuke our bazillion google listings.

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PostRe: Server migration
by Errkal » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:50 pm

Offloading some of the stuff we have running would help.

For example, do we really need to do our own DNS, Cache Server stuff etc. We could easily use cloudflare or similar to run the site through for caching and use our DNS registrar for their DNS and have less stuff running.

It would probably increase stability a bit as well as it won't have everything running on one box.

Personally, I would kill off Mumble or buy separate hosting for it instead of burning server resources on it.

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PostRe: Server migration
by False » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:15 pm

have you looked at the resource consumption of mumble? I would peg it near zero

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PostRe: Server migration
by Pedz » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:45 pm

Personally, I don't see why GRcade is paying for keeping mumble up (so to speak) when the users seem to mostly been non GRcade members.

But, I get that they tend to use it with GRcade members.

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PostRe: Server migration
by Karl_ » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:55 pm

Well I mean its resource usage is practically zero so if it helps even a few members I think it's okay.

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PostRe: Server migration
by Winckle » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:59 pm

Mumble use is barely 0.1% of our cpu and less than that in memory.

We should migrate GRcade to Discourse.
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PostRe: Server migration
by Errkal » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:59 pm

‘‘Twas just an example of gooseberry fool we run, I don’t know server stats if it’s low epic. My point is more keep the serger lean only run stuff we “need” to run, it means less stuff on there server, less to go wrong and less complexity and dependency.

As for wether mumble is kept, if the integration is improved it would be better.

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PostRe: Server migration
by Minty14 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:39 pm

What about the pcsupremacy.co.uk stuff? (I've never used this so don't know if there's anything running other than the mentioned game servers).

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PostRe: Server migration
by Winckle » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:23 am

Minty14 wrote:What about the pcsupremacy.co.uk stuff? (I've never used this so don't know if there's anything running other than the mentioned game servers).

It's just a web page which shows you who is on mumble, there's nothing else running.

We should migrate GRcade to Discourse.

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