Sex education...at age 5.

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PostSex education...at age 5.
by KK » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:16 pm

BBC Education wrote:Lessons about personal, social and health matters including sex and relationships will be compulsory in all England's schools from ages five to 16.

But the government is setting up a review of how best to achieve this, saying there are "complicated issues".

Schools Minister Jim Knight said this would factor in the ethos of schools, pupils' needs and parents' values.

A BBC poll of more than 1,000 people found two thirds would support sex lessons from the age of 11.

Reviews of education about sex and relationships and about drugs and alcohol were ordered after ministers said teaching was "patchy".

What they have not yet given is the detail of what compulsory personal, social and health education (PSHE) will involve.

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The Department for Children, Schools and Families said the review of sex lessons had identified "a need to challenge the perception that sex and relationships education happened in a 'moral vacuum' in schools and says that parents and schools can and should work together to decide how best topics should be taught."

It said updated guidance would also be produced covering the content of the PSHE curriculum, based on the existing non-statutory programme.

Lessons should be "age appropriate". In primary schools, Sir Jim Rose would look at how PSHE should best be delivered as part of his ongoing review of the curriculum.

The new review of how to make PSHE compulsory will be led by a London head teacher, Sir Alasdair MacDonald.

Mr Knight told BBC News: "We are not suggesting that five and six-year-olds should be taught sex.

"What we are saying is we need to improve in particular the relationship education, improve the moral framework and moral understanding around which we then talk about sex later on in a child's education."

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He said what schools would have to follow would be a high-level "programme of study". But it would still be up to schools to decide what to teach.

"Faith groups for example will want to produce supplementary guidance on top of our guidance, in order to say to their own schools ... how they should then deliver that programme of study in a way that's sympathetic to their moral beliefs, their faith beliefs in those schools."

The Catholic Education Service for England and Wales said it supported the priority given to establishing a "values context" for all sex and relationships teaching, the recognition of the importance of the role of parents, and the clear expectation that lessons would be shaped by Catholic teaching.

The chief executive of the sexual health charity Brook, Simon Blake, said the news that PSHE was to be a statutory part of the national curriculum was "absolutely brilliant".

He added: "Now, at last, we can put the systems in place to give teachers and others the training and support they need to work effectively in partnership with children, young people and their parents."

The head of the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL), John Dunford, has written to the government complaining that secondary schools have only just begun implementing major changes to the curriculum including highly regarded but non-statutory material on PSHE.

"In ASCL's view it would be extremely detrimental to make PSHE compulsory or to change the revised secondary curriculum orders in any way at this point," he wrote.

It was not just a subject on the timetable.

"It is part of the ethos of the school, helping to develop the young person in ways that schools deem most appropriate to their circumstances.

"It should not be the subject to further central prescription and certainly not compulsion."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7684810.stm

I don't know about you, but I think it's absolutely ridiculous. No doubt as ridiculous as the impending puns...

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PostRe: Sex education...at age 5.
by Steve » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:17 pm

Should start at aged 3 what with the amount of 5 year olds getting pregnant.

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PostRe: Sex education...at age 5.
by Cal » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:18 pm

So, any blokes here fancy becoming a primary school teacher? :lol: Good luck with that...

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by Lime » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:19 pm

KKLEIN wrote:I don't know about you, but I think it's absolutely ridiculous. No doubt as ridiculous as the impending puns...


Did you mean '....virgin on the ridiculous...'


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PostRe: Sex education...at age 5.
by Eighthours » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:20 pm

"We are not suggesting that five and six-year-olds should be taught sex."


Your sensationalist title is an epic fail, Tabloid Boy.

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PostRe: Sex education...at age 5.
by Commander Jameson » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:21 pm

Its a good idea. It will allow parents to be less embarrassed about talking to their children about sex, and hopefully lead to more care when they are older in terms of choosing to have sex, and by practising safe sex. If it cuts teenage pregnancy and the rise in STD's amongst the young then it can only be a good thing.

There is too much knee-jerk reactionism about this sort of thing.

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by BobbyDigital » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:22 pm

The UK is outta control in terms of teenage pregnancy, STDs etc. We gotta try a different approach because what they are doing now ain't working.

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PostRe: Sex education...at age 5.
by aayl1 » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:24 pm

I agree with ComJam. I think the subject should be brought up from a very early age, so kids know it's completely natural, and there's nothing taboo about it.

Like in Brave New World. But less (S)EXTREME.

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by Mr Thropwimp » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:26 pm

BobbyDigital wrote:The UK is outta control in terms of teenage pregnancy, STDs etc. We gotta try a different approach because what they are doing now ain't working.


Cull children given birth to by teenagers. It'd be like China, only for the youngsters.

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by Benj » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:35 pm

Cal wrote:So, any blokes here fancy becoming a primary school teacher? :lol: Good luck with that...


I've actually been seriously considering this recently. :lol: x

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by Dandy Kong » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:36 pm

Hey. Where do you think the term "little strawberry floaters" comes from?

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by Cal » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:06 pm

BobbyDigital wrote:The UK is outta control in terms of teenage pregnancy, STDs etc. We gotta try a different approach because what they are doing now ain't working.


True - but you wouldn't think it to look at this country's laws on sexuality and morality. The UK is one of the most legislated-for nations in terms of what is permissible and what is not under law (and there's still more law to come in terms of the new legislation on what is described as 'extreme porn', due to swing into action early next year, so hide your S&M bondage magazines now - being a consenting adult will NOT be an excuse to avoid arrest and public shaming).

It's hard to see what, if anything, else can be done - and it has to be said if we still have record numbers of underage sex and teenage pregnancies in the UK isn't it time to revisit our entire approach to these things? Maybe, perhaps, time to listen less to the moralists and their advocates and a little more to good old common sense?

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PostRe: Sex education...at age 5.
by Superking » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:21 pm

Reminds me of a certain South Park episode

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PostRe: Sex education...at age 5.
by game_pro » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:26 pm

Did anyone find sex education in school useful?

It seemed a giant waste of time to me.

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by Dandy Kong » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:30 pm

game_pro wrote:Did anyone find sex education in school useful?

It seemed a giant waste of time to me.


I knew everything already. But then I was 13 at the time.

If I would have gotten sex ed at the age of 5, there might have been a few more surprises.

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by Jax » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:30 pm

I'm sure, since it says "start" at 5 years old, that it wouldn't be anything too graphic. It'd probably just start with telling the kids that it's nothing to do with pelicans, and that their parents used certain body parts together to make their child. I'd imagine it'd be something like that.

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by SEP » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:33 pm

Jaxley wrote:I'm sure, since it says "start" at 5 years old, that it wouldn't be anything too graphic. It'd probably just start with telling the kids that it's nothing to do with pelicans, and that their parents used certain body parts together to make their child. I'd imagine it'd be something like that.


I was listening to this on the news earlier, and it starts off not being about sex at all, but about how family works, and how friendships and relationships are developed. Then, from about age 7, they start to be taught the differences between boys and girls, and then later, when they stat secondary school, they start going into the more detailed stuff.

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by Jax » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:33 pm

MCN wrote:
Jaxley wrote:I'm sure, since it says "start" at 5 years old, that it wouldn't be anything too graphic. It'd probably just start with telling the kids that it's nothing to do with pelicans, and that their parents used certain body parts together to make their child. I'd imagine it'd be something like that.


I was listening to this on the news earlier, and it starts off not being about sex at all, but about how family works, and how friendships and relationships are developed. Then, from about age 7, they start to be taught the differences between boys and girls, and then later, when they stat secondary school, they start going into the more detailed stuff.


Sounds alright to me.

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by Fm » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:34 pm

It sounds like a great idea to me. I've been thinking for ages that they should do this. In fact, they should do sex education every year, teaching them as much as is appropriate at each stage.

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