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by Moggy » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:52 pm

I saw a "BBC are lefties!!!" rant and thought it'd be great for this thread, but somebody got there with a perfect answer before I could do anything.

Bit strawberry floated off by constantly reading this from people who've never worked there and don't have a clue about it.

I have, and I knew at the time and still know a number of Tory voters from among colleagues.

But let's move on from the anecdotal to the people I don't know, but are well-known, and whose political colours are known.

Tim Davie, the director-general, is a former Conservative councillor, his wife is still active on the Kensington & Chelsea Conservative association.

Sir David Clementi, the BBC's governor, is a former investment banker and a Conservative. He has recommended the former editor of the Conservative supporting Daily Telegraph, Charles Moore, replaces him next year.

Laura Kuenssberg, the BBC's political editor, was a Conservative activist at university.

Nick Robinson, the BBC's politics correspondent, was a former chairman of the Federation of Conservative Students.

Allegra Stratton, a former BBC Politics reporter, has just been made the Conservative's chief press officer.

Craig Oliver, the BBC's former Director of Political and Current Events Programmes, was David Cameron's chief press officer.

Jeremy Paxman, the former Newsnight presenter, has spoken of how he's always been a Tory.

David Dimbleby, the former Question Time and BBC Election presenter, is a Tory who also chairs a newspaper group that is one of the few in the UK to not recognise union members.

Andrew Neil, who presents a high profile politics programme on the BBC, is an open Tory and former editor of the Tory supporting Sunday Times.

James Harding, the head of BBC News until 2019, is a Tory who formerly edited the Tory supporting Times.

John Humphreys, until recently presenter of Radio 4's flagship Today programme and still a BBC TV presenter, has written about his support for the Tories and Brexit.

Rona Fairhead, the head of the governors before Clementi, is and was, a Conservative baroness. She's another investment banker.

Peter Fincham, former controller of BBC One, is a Conservative Party member.

Robbie Gibb, who was director of Political Programmes in the 2015 and 2017 elections, became Theresa May's chief of staff.

Former BBC Westminster editor Guto Harri was Boris Johnson head of media when Johnson was London mayor.

Stephanie Flanders, the BBC's former Economic Editor, is a Tory Party member who now works as an investment banker.

James Lansdale the politics correspondent for the BBC News Channel and now its overall foreign news editor was Harding's deputy at the Tory supporting Times.

Thea Rogers, a BBC Politics producer became first George Osborne's media advisor then his wife.

Kamel Ahmed, the BBC Editorial Standards director, worked for the Tory supporting Sunday Telegraph and the then-Murdoch-owned Sky News.

Another former BBC Governor, Chris Patten, was a former minister in Mrs Thatcher's cabinet.

Evan Davis, the new today presenter and former economics correspondent for BBC News, began his career at the Tory's favourite "think tank" the Social Market Foundation. The geniuses who plotted rail privatisation!

Former Tory minister Michael Portillo is a high-profile BBC presenter.

Conservative MPs Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Damian Green and Esther McVey - among others - are former BBC journalists. Not to mention the Times's Matthew Paris and wife-beating Brexiteer Rod Liddle.

And on and on and on...

So, in short, the top level of BBC executive jobs is stacked with Tories and they more or less run the corporation's politics department.

But because Gary Lineker occasionally criticises the government on Twitter, right-wingers all lose their minds.

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PostRe: Social Media Defence Force
by Lex-Man » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:56 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
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Oblomov Boblomov wrote:But what is the response to that original quote? I want to say that, if socialist policies were properly implemented, it would only be the very top earners (<5%?) who would pay more and they have far too much so can easily afford to lose it, but is that a bit of a fib?

Well, "socialist policies" is a pretty broad term, too broad to be able to give any specifics about an exact % of the population affected, but if you look at, for example, the last Labour manifesto, and the tax plans in that, only individuals earning over £80k per year would have seen an increased tax bill, which is the top 5% of earners, so not even the top 5% of total population.

Remember the outrage of that berk on Question Time, who not only refused to believe that his £85k put him in the top 5%, but also reckoned he wasn’t even in the top 50%.

The audience reaction from "Too right my friend we can barely scrape by!" to "wait what" was amazing. :lol:




Labour: You earn over £80k?
Man: Yes, and I am not in the top 5%!
Audience, mumbling: You are.

:lol:

I just don't get how you can get so far in life to earn £80k and think it must be some average wage. :lol:

I once lived with someone who genuinely wasn't sure if earning £40k in their early 20s was good or not, but they had literally arrived in the UK from Hungary a few months before, whilst renting in London, so I can see why she wasn't totally sure. This guy had no excuse. Not even in the top 50% :lol:


At the moment I'm doing a masters with a guy who told a group of us that 60k a year wasn't that much in Manchester.

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PostRe: Social Media Defence Force
by Oblomov Boblomov » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:57 pm

That is definitely going to come in handy in future.

It's such an anti-climax that this bloke hasn't replied to me :| then again he's probably busy at work, like I'm supposed to be.

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PostRe: Social Media Defence Force
by OrangeRKN » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:23 pm

Moggy wrote:I saw a "BBC are lefties!!!" rant and thought it'd be great for this thread, but somebody got there with a perfect answer before I could do anything.

Bit strawberry floated off by constantly reading this from people who've never worked there and don't have a clue about it.

I have, and I knew at the time and still know a number of Tory voters from among colleagues.

But let's move on from the anecdotal to the people I don't know, but are well-known, and whose political colours are known.

Tim Davie, the director-general, is a former Conservative councillor, his wife is still active on the Kensington & Chelsea Conservative association.

Sir David Clementi, the BBC's governor, is a former investment banker and a Conservative. He has recommended the former editor of the Conservative supporting Daily Telegraph, Charles Moore, replaces him next year.

Laura Kuenssberg, the BBC's political editor, was a Conservative activist at university.

Nick Robinson, the BBC's politics correspondent, was a former chairman of the Federation of Conservative Students.

Allegra Stratton, a former BBC Politics reporter, has just been made the Conservative's chief press officer.

Craig Oliver, the BBC's former Director of Political and Current Events Programmes, was David Cameron's chief press officer.

Jeremy Paxman, the former Newsnight presenter, has spoken of how he's always been a Tory.

David Dimbleby, the former Question Time and BBC Election presenter, is a Tory who also chairs a newspaper group that is one of the few in the UK to not recognise union members.

Andrew Neil, who presents a high profile politics programme on the BBC, is an open Tory and former editor of the Tory supporting Sunday Times.

James Harding, the head of BBC News until 2019, is a Tory who formerly edited the Tory supporting Times.

John Humphreys, until recently presenter of Radio 4's flagship Today programme and still a BBC TV presenter, has written about his support for the Tories and Brexit.

Rona Fairhead, the head of the governors before Clementi, is and was, a Conservative baroness. She's another investment banker.

Peter Fincham, former controller of BBC One, is a Conservative Party member.

Robbie Gibb, who was director of Political Programmes in the 2015 and 2017 elections, became Theresa May's chief of staff.

Former BBC Westminster editor Guto Harri was Boris Johnson head of media when Johnson was London mayor.

Stephanie Flanders, the BBC's former Economic Editor, is a Tory Party member who now works as an investment banker.

James Lansdale the politics correspondent for the BBC News Channel and now its overall foreign news editor was Harding's deputy at the Tory supporting Times.

Thea Rogers, a BBC Politics producer became first George Osborne's media advisor then his wife.

Kamel Ahmed, the BBC Editorial Standards director, worked for the Tory supporting Sunday Telegraph and the then-Murdoch-owned Sky News.

Another former BBC Governor, Chris Patten, was a former minister in Mrs Thatcher's cabinet.

Evan Davis, the new today presenter and former economics correspondent for BBC News, began his career at the Tory's favourite "think tank" the Social Market Foundation. The geniuses who plotted rail privatisation!

Former Tory minister Michael Portillo is a high-profile BBC presenter.

Conservative MPs Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Damian Green and Esther McVey - among others - are former BBC journalists. Not to mention the Times's Matthew Paris and wife-beating Brexiteer Rod Liddle.

And on and on and on...

So, in short, the top level of BBC executive jobs is stacked with Tories and they more or less run the corporation's politics department.

But because Gary Lineker occasionally criticises the government on Twitter, right-wingers all lose their minds.thread. But somebody got there first.


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PostRe: Social Media Defence Force
by Oblomov Boblomov » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:30 pm

No reply 24 hours later and my posts have garnered a nice few likes from strangers.

I'm chalking this one up as a glorious victory for the Social Media Defence Force :datass:.

I'll be back for the next one!

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PostRe: Social Media Defence Force
by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:09 pm

Just seen my first "Well I for one will not be accepting this vaccine!!" post on Facebook :dread:.

Assuming they don't turn out to be a total conspiracy nut, what is the counter argument against the seemingly reasonable point that there simply hasn't been enough time to thoroughly test any vaccine?

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by That's not a growth » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:21 pm

My thoughts, as someone who's vaguely aware of a few things so might be wrong.

- 'long term' effects tend to show within 12 months, so by spring if there's anything that's 'fallen through the cracks' will show, as unlikely as this is
- Covid 19 is from a family of viruses that we know quite well, such as SARS
- these are adapted vaccines, which are previously tested to some degree, not brand new

And then more rambley:

- Assuming they are a generally healthy individual it'll be months before they can get it anyway. I heard a figure that the UK aims to vaccinate 1m people a week. But it takes 2 doses, so that's 500,000. There will be millions of people more urgent to offer a vaccine to than them.
Also considering it took them over 2 months to hit the target of 100,000 daily tests I don't see them getting to this level of admissions quickly - which again will push back when they would get it - and in turn raise the amount of data we have due to volume of administered vaccines and the amount of time that has elapsed since the first recipients.
By the time they're offered the vaccine there will be much more information available.
Really, as a healthy 33 year old I don't see myself getting it before next autumn unless something amazing happens.

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PostRe: Social Media Defence Force
by Moggy » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:23 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Just seen my first "Well I for one will not be accepting this vaccine!!" post on Facebook :dread:.

Assuming they don't turn out to be a total conspiracy nut, what is the counter argument against the seemingly reasonable point that there simply hasn't been enough time to thoroughly test any vaccine?


This is a decent Twitter thread on the subject.


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by OrangeRKN » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:24 pm

The risk of long term health effects from the virus itself is likely much higher

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:20 pm

- Covid 19 is from a family of viruses that we know quite well, such as SARS
- these are adapted vaccines, which are previously tested to some degree, not brand new


Think these are particularly useful points to know about, thanks Tnag.

I was hoping for a bit more from that Twitter thread, to be honest. He seems to just harp on about how you normally get stuck in a bureaucratic process for years and that he's confident once the data has been scrutinised, it will be deemed safe. Not the most convincing argument in the world!

OrangeRKN wrote:The risk of long term health effects from the virus itself is likely much higher


We really need a massive promotional campaign on the risk of long covid. All I've noticed so far is people ringing up Radio 2 to tell Jeremy Vine how tired they've felt ever since contracting it in April.

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by OrangeRKN » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:21 pm

I'd feel tired all the time if I were listening to the Jeremy Vine show

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by Minty14 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:16 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I was hoping for a bit more from that Twitter thread, to be honest. He seems to just harp on about how you normally get stuck in a bureaucratic process for years and that he's confident once the data has been scrutinised, it will be deemed safe. Not the most convincing argument in the world!

But that's the explanation for it being so quick this time?

Also, think of it in man-hours, rather than X number of months, and the amount of time this vaccine has taken probably isn't as different to most others as it first appears.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:21 pm

Minty14 wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I was hoping for a bit more from that Twitter thread, to be honest. He seems to just harp on about how you normally get stuck in a bureaucratic process for years and that he's confident once the data has been scrutinised, it will be deemed safe. Not the most convincing argument in the world!

But that's the explanation for it being so quick this time?

Also, think of it in man-hours, rather than X number of months, and the amount of time this vaccine has taken probably isn't as different to most others as it first appears.

It's not working hours I'm considering – the nagging thought I personally have is that it doesn't allow for identification of long-term side effects.

However, as Tnag said, these tend to show within 12 months (sort of just taking his word for it :slol:) and the new vaccines are adapted from existing vaccines that have been tested for long enough. Also, as OR said, the risk of actual covid long-term issues is far greater than vaccine long-term issues.

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by OrangeRKN » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:43 pm

I listened to this the other day on Radio 4: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000py6r (How to Vaccinate the World)

One of the guests is Paul Offit who responds to the question of reassurance on the risks of the vaccine (skip to 19.15)

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:42 am

OrangeRKN wrote:I listened to this the other day on Radio 4: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000py6r (How to Vaccinate the World)

One of the guests is Paul Offit who responds to the question of reassurance on the risks of the vaccine (skip to 19.15)

Thanks OR. I haven't seen another anti-vax post (and that original one seems to have been deleted) but I feel well-armed to deal with the next one :datass:.

Currently having a go at my MP for defending Patel. Some berk has piped up in support of her (and she has liked his tweet, so she clearly does read the responses!), so I'm trying to start on him now 8-).

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PostRe: Social Media Defence Force
by Squinty » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:24 pm

I have to be honest, I was feeling uneasy about being vaccinated before, to the point where I was reluctant to have it, but actually reading up on the process of development helped to remove the apprehension. It was a stupid position to begin with.

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by OrangeRKN » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:30 pm

It's not stupid to be apprehensive about something you don't understand! Your approach sounds like the perfectly correct one - inform yourself and reassess.

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by Moggy » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:22 pm

Yeah you've done nothing stupid there. You were unsure, you looked into it and you changed your mind in line with the evidence.

If everyone did that, we'd have a much better world.

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by Squinty » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:24 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:It's not stupid to be apprehensive about something you don't understand! Your approach sounds like the perfectly correct one - inform yourself and reassess.


Thanks for this. Seriously :wub:

Edit - You too Moggy :wub:


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