Oblomov Boblomov wrote:What is a good response to this:
Work...pay tax on everything you buy pay PAYE national insurance pay vat pay council tax ect ect that’s enough paying in for what is payed out to myself and children in maternity, school, healthcare and social functions such as as police and waste.... socialism works for people who do less than they get out, not the other way around. socialism to me is like been a mug to the rest of society who are allowed to do nothing and reap the benefits of the hardworking.
If you give someone £100, they can go get a plumber to fix a tap, the government takes a % of that plumbers work back in taxes. To simplify it lets just say 20% covers all of your NI/Tax/VAT etc. The plumber gets a customer and £80 of money. The government now has recovered £20 of the £100 they gave out.
The plumber wants to get their hair coloured and trimmed so goes to the salon. It costs £60 and the government takes another round 20% of the transaction giving the salon owner £48 profit. The government now has recovered another £12 of the £100 they gave out, with the money they took from the plumber that's £32 recovered from the £100 they gave away to the lazy person on benefits and the plumber and salon owner have both made a profit for their work with the additional customer they have benefitted from.
The salon owner needs some groceries, so they pop to the local shop and spend their £48 on their weekly shop. The socialist government takes another 20% of the sale (£9.60), the local shop has a new customer giving them £38.40 after the 20% of taxes and the salon owner has food in their cupboards. The government has now recovered £41.60 of the £100 they gave out.
The local grocery shop business owner's car breaks down and takes their car to the mechanic. The mechanic sells the grocery shop owner a new car battery with fitting for £38.40 exactly which is a bit of luck. The government takes 20% of the sale (£7.68) and the mechanic puts the £30.72 in the till. The government now has £49.28 back from the £100 they gave away for free.
The mechanic is heading out for lunch and they go to buy sandwiches at the local coffee shop for the 3 mechanics working their. The bacon sandwich, cake and coffee costs £30 for all 3 mechanics as it's a meal deal offer. The government takes 20% again (£6) and the mechanics get their lunch. The government add the 20% to what they have recovered coming to £55.28 of the £100 they gave away.
So far that lazy benefit scrounger has...
the tap in their house fixed and they helped 5 businesses employing 8 people
the plumber has a new hair style
the salon owner has food in their cupboards
the grocery shop owner has a car that's road worthy again
the mechanic has bought themselves and colleagues lunch and they even have 72p in their pocket
the coffee shop owner has £24 to go spend somewhere next
the government has £55.28 of the £100 they gave originally, with eyes on the 72p the mechanic and £24 the coffeeshop owner have.
If you give Amazon £100, they put the money in an offshore bank account and don't pay 20%. The government loses £100 and the plumber, the salon owner, the grocery shop owner, the mechanic and the coffee shop owner have to close their businesses they've put so much hard work in to and look for a new job at an Amazon warehouse.