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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Cheeky Devlin » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:10 pm

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I'll still bloody watch it as well. :fp:

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by furiosum » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:51 pm

I like how everyone is speaking as if that Oxford Union speech is new info, given that the speech took place in November, its only the youtube upload that happened over the weekend.

But yeah, hardly a major surprise, maybe Martin can get the 6th book out around the same time as season 6, but there is no chance of book 7 coming out before the show finishes. A shame really, since I avoided the show until I'd read the books because I prefer to find things out through the books, but I guess it will still be interesting to see how they vary.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Denster » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:03 am

Season five is not going to cover the whole of the next two books FFC and ADWD. The sixth book will be out in time but he still wont finish the last.

Season 7 will probably be TWOW so we're strawberry floated after that.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Memento Mori » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:06 pm

Denster wrote:Season five is not going to cover the whole of the next two books FFC and ADWD. The sixth book will be out in time but he still wont finish the last.

Season 7 will probably be TWOW so we're strawberry floated after that.


Judging from how many characters haven't been cast in season 5 entire plotlines from FFC and ADWD have been axed:

FFC and DWD spoilers

The entire Griff and Young Griff Golden Company plotline has gone.
Euron/Victarion aren't showing up. Balon's actually still alive in the show!
Considering structurewise that Sam's only reason to be in Oldtown is probably to witness Euron's Ironborn sack it, that plot won't happen.
Stoneheart's gone. That would have been the season 4 finale if it was going to happen.

Apparently in season 5 Jaime's in Dorne maybe replacing Arys Oakheart though Arianne isn't in the show.
Wyman Manderly won't be there so Davos won't be sent to Skagos.
Season 5 spoilers- Apparently Sansa's in Winterfell for some reason so Littlefinger marrying her off to the Arryn heir seems cut. Hopefully she's not marrying Ramsay. :dread:

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Memento Mori » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:32 pm

George has posted a new Sansa chapter from AWOW on his website. He did this about the time Game of Thrones started up again last year too. This book is being released slowly but surely.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Preezy » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:43 pm

I'm reading A Feast for Crows and have just read a Brienne chapter where a priest she's travelling with describes how a common foot soldier can become a broken outlaw, such a poignant and sad bit of writing. Really got me :(

I LOVE these books, they are miles ahead of the TV show and I'm dreading not having them to read anymore :dread:

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Memento Mori » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:48 pm

A lot of people hate Brienne's chapters but there's some really nice world-building in there yeah. Is this your first time reading them Preezy?

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Preezy » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:01 pm

Yeah it is. I watched the first series of the show which I loved and then dropped out after the first episode of series 2 (just couldn't keep up as was busy with work etc and didn't have time to commit to a TV show) and never caught up, so I got the books for my kindle at Xmas and haven't looked back. The world building is just incredible. I've watched the odd episode here and there when I know I'm far enough ahead to not have anything spoiled and whilst the show is obviously high quality, you just can't compete with the detail and backstory that the books offer. Things like the thoughts that go through characters' minds just can't be translated to the screen, something that I think is an inherent weakness of adapted TV shows.

I think it's helped me that I've watched series 1 though as most of the main characters were in that series so I can put names to faces, but my imagination has been way off a few times (Brienne in particular, I was expecting an absolute beast on the show, but she's just a butch Tilda Swinton :lol: ).

There are some slow chapters (Daenerys, anyone? Yaaaaawn) but most of them are page turners.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Memento Mori » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:13 pm

I was the same- watched season 1 of the show then read all of the books before season 2 started. Watching the show first made it easier to remember all the characters but the books are far better than the show in comparison so when there's a particularly bad adaptation from the source material it's disappointing. The state of the deviations in season 5. :dread:



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There are some slow chapters (Daenerys, anyone? Yaaaaawn) but most of them are page turners.


You haven't even read the worst Dany chapters yet. :lol: I wouldn't recommend this for your first read-through but someone made a reading order which combines Feast for Crows and Dance With Dragons as the one book they were originally supposed to be. I followed it when I re-read them last summer and it works far better but because it involves a lot of flipping between the books you might accidentally read a spoiler.

Has Victarion appeared yet? I always read him in Danny Dyer's voice, I find it works well.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Imrahil » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:13 pm

I really liked the first 3 in the series, not just overall but also as standalone novels, but I couldn't help but be disappointed with AFFC. There's some nice writing here and there, as you say, but I genuinely feel it's still a pretty poor book. I've read an almost countless number of fantasy novels that I'd rate way above it.

I suppose it can be argued it shouldn't be treated as an individual novel as such, and that the confines of being a middle book in a complex series lifts the pressure off it a bit, but I found it an absolute mess and one of the tougher reads I've had to force myself through.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Memento Mori » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:15 pm

I much prefer FFC to DWD. Jaime and Cersei's chapters are some of my favourites in the series.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Imrahil » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:16 pm

I think some of the very end chapters are interesting in AFFC. The problem for me is the rest of the book before it.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Preezy » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:24 pm

Memento Mori wrote:I was the same- watched season 1 of the show then read all of the books before season 2 started. Watching the show first made it easier to remember all the characters but the books are far better than the show in comparison so when there's a particularly bad adaptation from the source material it's disappointing. The state of the deviations in season 5. :dread:



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There are some slow chapters (Daenerys, anyone? Yaaaaawn) but most of them are page turners.


You haven't even read the worst Dany chapters yet. :lol: I wouldn't recommend this for your first read-through but someone made a reading order which combines Feast for Crows and Dance With Dragons as the one book they were originally supposed to be. I followed it when I re-read them last summer and it works far better but because it involves a lot of flipping between the books you might accidentally read a spoiler.

Has Victarion appeared yet? I always read him in Danny Dyer's voice, I find it works well.

Yeah he's appeared only recently, but so far just an introduction really. I'm sure he'll play a bigger part in things as time goes on (or not, wouldn't surprise me if he's offed without warning).

I was also saddened to read that the Onion Knight had been beheaded, seemed like a solid bloke.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Skarjo » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:25 pm

Memento Mori wrote:Has Victarion appeared yet? I always read him in Danny Dyer's voice, I find it works well.


:lol:

Problem is, anytime I hear Danny Dyer's voice, I immediately hear Mark Kermode's Danny Dyer impression.

This'll make Victarion chapters strawberry floating AMAZING.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Irene Demova » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:05 pm

Skarjo wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Has Victarion appeared yet? I always read him in Danny Dyer's voice, I find it works well.


:lol:

Problem is, anytime I hear Danny Dyer's voice, I immediately hear Mark Kermode's Danny Dyer impression.

This'll make Victarion chapters strawberry floating AMAZING.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Ironhide » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:49 pm

I really liked AFFC, it is a bit slow but it does a great job at making Westeros seem like a real place.

Brienne's chapters are good imo, she's a far more complex character than her wooden TV version.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Starbreaker » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:06 pm

Brienne is much better now she's lost the naïveté. Christ I used to hate her. Mind you GRRM does seem to have a thing for breaking the wide eyed idealist; Sansa is another example. That being said I still do let out a bit of a groan when I see her (Brienne's) chapters - sure, the world building can be good but mostly it's plodding in all senses of the word.

Goes without saying that any Jaime chapters are insta-win. Dany's have gone from nearly my favourite (DRAGONS!) to the absolute opposite (POLITICS IN A FARAWAY LAND! MASSES OF ODD GRATUITOUS SEX!). It's kinda like the Phantom Menace to GoT's A New Hope.

Also for better or for worse I think the South Park GRRM has tainted me a little bit. Whenever I get past Storm of Swords now I just think of that bit when Butters is asking about the dragons (paraphrasing here) - "There's going to be...three, no, FIVE!!!! And they'll be the size of horses...no, HOUSES! But first, Dany is in Mereen discussing the local corn rights with the Unsullied's Elite Accountancy Department..."

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Memento Mori » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:31 pm

Skarjo wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Has Victarion appeared yet? I always read him in Danny Dyer's voice, I find it works well.


:lol:

Problem is, anytime I hear Danny Dyer's voice, I immediately hear Mark Kermode's Danny Dyer impression.

This'll make Victarion chapters strawberry floating AMAZING.


FFC spoilers


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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Skarjo » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:40 pm

:lol:

Nawty.

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PostRe: A Song of Ice and Fire
by Squinty » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:49 pm

Victarion is badass. Definitely want more of him in Winds of Winter.

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