Sony begin polling gamers on the idea of a PlayStation Classic Mini

As I understand it the very first round of PS3s had all the ps2 hardware (the actual emotion engine processor and associated logic units - there was no gpu as such in the PS2 but some co-processors that did maths basically) which itself ran ps1 game just like the ps2 did. The emotion engine cpu was taken out in later models while some of the chips remained so it was hybrid hardware and software, then all of it was removed for software emulation only in just a few or models and that was the hit and miss parts. Then ps2 emulation was dropped entirely in the slim models I think. However, ands I didn't know this, all PS3s play ps1 games but maybe the article I'm fact checking against is from before the last PS3 slim was released. It would make sensed for the PS1 classics you can still download to be running on an official ps1 emulator still included with the ps2 Linux OS.

The original 60gb PS3 worked with pretty much all games afaik, there were a few that had bugs or didn't run for some reason. It's a great retro nostalgia machine. There isn't really anything else like it. Shame it is pretty much guaranteed to die unless you carve the cpu apart with a literal knife.

Still got my launch day PS3 that's still in working order somehow.

I have Knoyleo's with 4 controllers. It's great, just loud.

I still have my 60GB PS3 as well but the disc drive is dead. I bought a replacement on eBay but I got the cables wrong (apparently Sony used a range of disc drives) therefore I sold it again and so ended my brief dabble with messing around with PC related innards.

Dual wrote:This doesn't appeal in the same way as SNES. 16 bit has real retro style with chiptune sfx and the limitations of what could be done graphically meant they had they had to push boundaries of imagination. I played Star fox for the first time and was really impressed. They are timeless.

Ps1 on the other hand I think looks blocky and doesn't have the same charm. It is a period of gaming that has not aged well. Maybe I might feel different in another 10 years.

This is what I'm thinking. Whilst the PS1 undoubtedly had some true classics, it's technology and games was of the new generation of 3D games (which we still have today) - but now that 3D looks very dated. The SNES Classic mini games are mostly 2D so have a more cartoon like , and perhaps, ageless quality about them. Are gamers really going to be wanting to play old 3D titles?

But lets not kid ourselves there is a tremendous amount of nostalgia for the PS1 and for how it changed gaming. It is an iconic console and with a wisely curated selection of games it will do great. But what would make it super cool is if you could log in with your PSN account and get trophies on the game.

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Dual wrote:This doesn't appeal in the same way as SNES. 16 bit has real retro style with chiptune sfx and the limitations of what could be done graphically meant they had they had to push boundaries of imagination. I played Star fox for the first time and was really impressed. They are timeless.

Ps1 on the other hand I think looks blocky and doesn't have the same charm. It is a period of gaming that has not aged well. Maybe I might feel different in another 10 years.

This is what I'm thinking. Whilst the PS1 undoubtedly had some true classics, it's technology and games was of the new generation of 3D games (which we still have today) - but now that 3D looks very dated. The SNES Classic mini games are mostly 2D so have a more cartoon like , and perhaps, ageless quality about them. Are gamers really going to be wanting to play old 3D titles?

But lets not kid ourselves there is a tremendous amount of nostalgia for the PS1 and for how it changed gaming. It is an iconic console and with a wisely curated selection of games it will do great. But what would make it super cool is if you could log in with your PSN account and get trophies on the game.

I think the Crash remake showed there is definitely nostalgia for PS1. I'd love to see it but imagine the licensing involved to get the games everyone would want would be impossible given that they're nearly all third party.

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Venom wrote:

Dual wrote:This doesn't appeal in the same way as SNES. 16 bit has real retro style with chiptune sfx and the limitations of what could be done graphically meant they had they had to push boundaries of imagination. I played Star fox for the first time and was really impressed. They are timeless.

Ps1 on the other hand I think looks blocky and doesn't have the same charm. It is a period of gaming that has not aged well. Maybe I might feel different in another 10 years.

This is what I'm thinking. Whilst the PS1 undoubtedly had some true classics, it's technology and games was of the new generation of 3D games (which we still have today) - but now that 3D looks very dated. The SNES Classic mini games are mostly 2D so have a more cartoon like , and perhaps, ageless quality about them. Are gamers really going to be wanting to play old 3D titles?

But lets not kid ourselves there is a tremendous amount of nostalgia for the PS1 and for how it changed gaming. It is an iconic console and with a wisely curated selection of games it will do great. But what would make it super cool is if you could log in with your PSN account and get trophies on the game.

I think the Crash remake showed there is definitely nostalgia for PS1. I'd love to see it but imagine the licensing involved to get the games everyone would want would be impossible given that they're nearly all third party.

On the other hand I'd imagine a lot of those third parties would love to get a slice of the Mini console pie after seeing what happened with the NES/SNES classics.

So long as this thing has the classic PS1 startup sequence I'll be happy. Could listen to that all day, in fact I think I will

The sound of my PS4 starting up too. Not sure if Sony still have it available on the Store.

KK wrote:The sound of my PS4 starting up too. Not sure if Sony still have it available on the Store.

Yeah I've got that one too, but I tend to mix up my themes so haven't heard it in a while.

Evidence of how much desire there is for PlayStation 1 games, FINAL FANTASY IX (PS4 upgrade) is the 5th biggest selling title on the PlayStation Store last month in North America, the 6th in Europe.

Meanwhile, the biggest sellers on the Classics Store for the month of September in Europe are all PS1 (not 2):

Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 3 Warped
Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back
CTR: Crash Team Racing
Spyro The Dragon Trilogy
Rayman
Rayman 2 The Great Escape
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy IX

I think there's a disconnect between places like NeoGaf (many so out of touch they thought there was no appetite for Crash Bandicoot) and some video game journalists who think PS1 titles have aged. Mass market says different. PS4 reboot of Crash is out and people still want to go and play the originals.

A PS1 Classic is probably more likely than Sony actually giving us PS1 games on PS4. I've been considering just getting a Vita TV for a while to play them.

Didn't one of their execs gooseberry fool all over backwards compatibility this summer? I'd rather have the PS4 be able to read PS1 games like the PS3 can.

Smells like business.

That was Jim Ryan to TIME magazine,

"When we've dabbled with backwards compatibility, I can say it is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much. That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"

Okay realistic games:

Metal Gear Solid
Castlevania Symphony of the Night
International Track and Field
Bishi Bashi Special
Suikoden
Suikoden 2
Silent Hill
Bomberman
Ridge Racer (hopefully R4)
Tekken 2
Klonoa
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Resident Evil
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Rival Schools
Breath of Fire 3
Breath of Fire 4
Mega Man X4
Mega Man Legends
Everybody's Golf
Ape Escape
Gran Turismo
The Legend of Dragoon
Parappa the Rapper
Umjamma Lammy
Medievil
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2
Crash Bandicoot 3
Spyro
Spyro 2
Spyro 3
G-Police
WipEout
Rollcage
Destruction Derby
Alundra
Wild Arms
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy Tactics
Vagrant Story
GTA
Tomb Raider
Soul Reaver

Possibles:
Medal of Honour
Need for Speed
TOCA
Colin McRae Rally
Driver
Broken Sword 1 and 2

What I'd love:
Sheep Dog and Wolf
Incredible Crisis
Time Crisis
Tekken 3
Herc's Adventure
ISS Pro 98
Tony Hawks Pro Skater 2
Spider-Man

KK wrote:That was Jim Ryan to TIME magazine,

"When we've dabbled with backwards compatibility, I can say it is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much. That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?"

Of all the things that happen within this Industry, all the bullshit and stunts pulled, company execs telling us what we want as opposed to giving us what we want really does grate.

To answer this dickheads question: because I like playing classic PSone games. A good game is a good game, even many of the 'ancient ones'.

What a penis, if it is one of your most requested things then it means people want it, regardless of whether you understand it or not they are asking for it. gooseberry fool hat.

Errkal wrote:What a penis, if it is one of your most requested things then it means people want it, regardless of whether you understand it or not they are asking for it. gooseberry fool hat.

Also, if people are asking for it, and think they want it, then they will almost certainly be willing to buy a console on the strength of its ability to deliver that thing. FFS

I wrote a blog post on this very idea a month or two back talking about what games could go on one taking both license issues and size into account etc I think it's a perfectly workable idea and I think Sony would handle it better than nintendo, if demand was high they'd just make more and get more cash etc unlike Nintendo who just seem to want to make 2 units for every 22 who want one then celebrate that there product is sold out.

You have to book manufacturing, most companies don't actually own their own factories anymore. One month, the same place is making snes minis, then its making dog biscuits etc.

So it's about anticipating demand, not just printing more consoles.