Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.

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by Christopher » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:30 am

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Santapher wrote:I get what you're saying but this article is totally non related to anything happening at SCE is what I am saying. I don't think you're stupid at all but you seem to be looking for something that really isn't there.


Fair enough. I'm not looking for anything mate, I just think this could impact the long term pricing strategy for SCE, expecially when combined with the piss poor pound for us over here.


The current economy will no doubt have an impact on SCE of that I have no doubt.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by new*allusion » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:33 am

SCE cut a bunch of jobs last year (April 2007) to streamline their opperation - it seems to have worked according to their financial results from the end of October:
In the Game segment, operating loss decreased significantly year-on-year primarily due to PS3 hardware cost reductions and increased sales of PS3 software, as well as strong sales of PSP hardware.


The difference was something like 60% and Sony are likely to break-even with PS3 hardware in the near future (as the above implies, they make money on every PSP sold). In other words, the games division has become leaner - there may be future job losses, but they shouldn't be too widespread.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by Prototype » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:33 am

Hmm, I thought the PlayStation team was only 7,200 strong.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by Yungstar_2006 » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:34 am

Santapher wrote:The pressure on any company to make profit in the consumer market is great right now. But this article is about the electronics division and has no bearing on SCE or any other part of the Sony business.

I wouldn't be surprised if SCE were to make job cuts in the next six months as no business can afford to run at a loss and the weak Yen is not going to help matters.


i'd imagine as a whole, Sony will try to make cuts to it's company parts to stave off any damaging effect to sony as an erm.... whole. the recent anouncement that they are to increase uk prices to help with £ to yen conversion is just another sign that the company as a whole is heading into trouble.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by new*allusion » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:44 am

On the other hand, any big business is going to have to react to something like this:
£1 buys| change| %| 52 wk-high| 52 wk-low
Yen 137.10500| 1.22000| 0.88| 230.35000| 133.23000
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Edit - the best way to look at it is that I bought a Dual Shock 3 in March from YesAsia. I paid about £31. The same controller would now cost me £39.13. I can get it for less on Play. Now consider the effect of that on the price of a TV.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by Neph » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:06 am

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Santapher wrote:This is Sony and not the PlayStation arm of the business. Still sad to see all those people out of work :(


It could have a knock on effect though, as they are blatently struggling in this current economic situation, even every console they sell they are making a loss on.


I don't think that's still the case.

This is just gonna be a couple of Chinese factories isn't it? It's absolutely insane that 8,000 people represents only 5% of their manufacturing division.


I agree when yesterday i read that Nintendos entire work force is under 4000 It just shows how big a company Sony really are.

Poor people though not something they want in this economic situation :( :(

I wonder how many more big electronic firms we will see shedding a high number of jobs.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by Shadow » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:33 am

I'd always thought that it wasn't really the done thing in Japan, that you stuck with your workforce through tough times, people tend to stay with one company their whole lives over there, I was always under the impression that Japanese companies held their staff in much higher regard than their western equivalents.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by new*allusion » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:40 am

They used to, but as the world has become more globalised (or should that be Westernised?), so have employment practices and concepts. Sony's CEO is a Welsh-American who once cut 9,000 jobs to turn around Sony's American Movie and Music divisions.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by Neph » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:54 am

Interesting didn't see this before:

Update: Sony Computer Entertainment has told GamesIndustry.biz that it will be involved in the corporate review.

Is that the Playstation Side?

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by new*allusion » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:56 am

Maybe I'm wrong -

GI.biz wrote:PlayStation division under review as part of corporate changes
Sony Computer Entertainment has confirmed that the PlayStation division is currently involved in the review affecting the wider Sony business

Sony announced this morning that it will axe 8000 jobs and reduce investment in manufacturing, although SCE would not detail whether those cuts will have a direct affect on the PlayStation group.

"In order to stay competitive in the accelerating global network environment, we will always carefully review and make structural changes, if necessary, in order to further expand and strengthen the PlayStation business around the world," said Sony Computer Entertainment in a statement.

Sony said today that its electronics division has been affected by the current economic downturn, and it plans to downsize or withdraw from "unprofitable or non-core businesses."

However, some believe the announced measures won't be enough to help the company, with one analyst stating that Sony needs to prove which parts of the company are going to achieve profits in the future, rather than reduce headcount.

"The number sounds big, but this staff reduction won't be enough," said Katsuhiko Mori, fund manager at Daiwa SB Investments, to the BBC.

"Sony doesn't have any core businesses that generate stable profits - the next thing we want to see is what is going to be the business that will drive the company."

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by Christopher » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:57 am

My main fear for a company like Sony is that a restructure may be on the cards. If the head of Sony looks at all the different Sony businesses and then decides to reign them in under one banner then we could well see PlayStation taking a huge loss.

The business model of old where the companies are independent to one another will have to be scrapped and looked at in terms of which one of these businesses will be able to make us regular profit?

I'd imagine that all of Sony will fall under one group soon which would mean that SCE will feel the sting unless they are making profit which at the moment they are not.

edit: Holy gooseberry fool what I was typing for over 30 mins has been reported :lol:

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by new*allusion » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:00 pm

Sony Will Cut 16,000 Jobs as Recession Curbs Demand

Dec. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp. plans to eliminate 16,000 jobs in the largest reduction announced by a Japanese company since the credit crunch drove the world into a recession.

Sony will curb investments, outsource production and move away from unprofitable businesses by March 2010, as part of plans to save more than 100 billion yen ($1.1 billion) a year, the Tokyo-based company said today.

The job eliminations will take place in the electronics division and include 8,000 contract workers, it said.

Weak Demand

Faltering consumer spending led companies including AT&T Inc and DuPont Co. to announce more than 15,000 job cuts this month. The number of people on jobless benefit rolls in the U.S., one of the biggest markets for Asian exporters including Sony and Panasonic, climbed to a 26-year high in the week ended Nov. 22.

All reductions will take place by March 31, 2010, Sony said. The 8,000 full-time employees to be cut represent about 5 percent of the company’s workforce in the electronics division. Hara declined to provide the number of people on contract.

The reductions highlight the severity of the slump in consumer spending at a time when companies typically focus on the peak Christmas shopping season. Sony, the world’s second-largest maker of consumer electronics, said a “much larger” than anticipated deterioration in the economy spurred the cuts and the company may revise its mid-term targets.

Panasonic Corp., the world’s biggest consumer-electronics maker, cut its full-year net income outlook by 90 percent Nov. 27.

The Bravia-brand TV maker said it will “adjust” pricing to cope with the stronger yen, two weeks after saying it didn’t have plans for “massive cuts” in prices in the U.S.

The yen has surged 21 percent against the dollar and 39 percent versus the euro this year, damping the value of Sony’s earnings from overseas

Ah - so that's 16,000 jobs - 8,000 from the consumer electronics division. Obviously, that means 8,000 from elsewhere...

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by Christopher » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:03 pm

Well done Ken you and your crazy Blu Ray/UMD dream has killed PlayStation.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by Neph » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:05 pm

Surely Sony are in a badly Positioned area they Sell the most expensive Video Games COnsole their TV's & Laptops are Of the high Priced End and in theis Economic recession who's really going to buy them?

I mean surely this means we might see further cuts, although what was Sonys last financial quarter like i mean saving $1.1billion must help quite a bit?

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by JiggerJay » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:05 pm

Neph wrote:
Shadow wrote:
JingleJay wrote:
Santapher wrote:This is Sony and not the PlayStation arm of the business. Still sad to see all those people out of work :(


It could have a knock on effect though, as they are blatently struggling in this current economic situation, even every console they sell they are making a loss on.


I don't think that's still the case.

This is just gonna be a couple of Chinese factories isn't it? It's absolutely insane that 8,000 people represents only 5% of their manufacturing division.


I agree when yesterday i read that Nintendos entire work force is under 4000 It just shows how big a company Sony really are.

Poor people though not something they want in this economic situation :( :(

I wonder how many more big electronic firms we will see shedding a high number of jobs.


Nintendo only manfuacture games and consoles, sony Manufacture a whole catalogue of electronic equipment.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by Neph » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:13 pm

JingleJay wrote:
Neph wrote:
Shadow wrote:
JingleJay wrote:
Santapher wrote:This is Sony and not the PlayStation arm of the business. Still sad to see all those people out of work :(


It could have a knock on effect though, as they are blatently struggling in this current economic situation, even every console they sell they are making a loss on.


I don't think that's still the case.

This is just gonna be a couple of Chinese factories isn't it? It's absolutely insane that 8,000 people represents only 5% of their manufacturing division.


I agree when yesterday i read that Nintendos entire work force is under 4000 It just shows how big a company Sony really are.


Poor people though not something they want in this economic situation :( :(

I wonder how many more big electronic firms we will see shedding a high number of jobs.


Nintendo only manfuacture games and consoles, sony Manufacture a whole catalogue of electronic equipment.


Aye I realise that i was just amazed by the size of Sony i didn't realise it employed that many people.

However at the same time Someone said SCE's division is around 7,000 Surely they will see cuts also if the division is not making a profit.

Bad time to be Sony Employee, i wonder what the % in the West will be whether most of the jobs will be shed outside of japan.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by Octoroc » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:22 pm

Neph wrote:Bad time to be Sony Employee


No, it's a bad time for everyone who isn't rich. A whole section of the company I work for was laid off last month, British Telecom have announced job cuts of 10,000, General Motors (Vauxhall) are f#cked, Woolworths and MFI have gone under...

Anyway, as I understand it Sony Corp. is a seperate entity to Sony Computer Entertainment.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by KK » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:23 pm

Neph wrote:Surely Sony are in a badly Positioned area they Sell the most expensive Video Games COnsole their TV's & Laptops are Of the high Priced End and in theis Economic recession who's really going to buy them?

And that's quite a big problem, really. No longer do they offer the best product, yet their prices have remained firmly at the top end of the scale.

A lot of companies are now "doing it better", & Sony haven't kept up. Look at the current products they're releasing - they're becoming shoddy. From the PSP, to their newly launched TV that has one of the most uneven backlights on any LCD.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by DeadFish » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:20 pm

I bet it'll be on 6 o'clock news tonight - Sony is a big name.

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PostRe: Sony cutting 8,000 jobs.
by jiggles » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:28 pm

The other 8,000 to be cut are contractors, so not directly employed by Sony.

If anything is to come out of this from a gamers side, I'd guess they'd start charging for PSN.


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