[Spectator Thread] The Hannivalia Crisis: International Observers

[Kezzer]

All I wanted was a chilled out game

[Kezzer]

I was laughing at your "boy who cried wolf" post - partly because it was true, and partly because it was the perfect example of you pretty obviously stating something that no one was going to pick up on again

You were chaotic for sure, but I think you actually played well - just to the wrong audience! Would love to hear your current best guess at the conformists.

Also generally it's going to be interesting to see how the game changes now PMs are allowed - I'm planning on plotting the posts-per-day at least and seeing the impact there!

I loved the idea that we didn't have PM's and I was desperate to try and get some info out to other 'similar' players.

The amount of times I used the words "opposition" / "Shadow" / "Justice


Here is my current thoughts:
Changing on a post by post basis





Got to say I am really really disappointed with Captain Kinopio - really bad plays so far, but I am sure he will join us soon enough.

[Kezzer]

Sorry to both Drummy and Dan.

I just felt that SSA was so bad for parliament. To make matters worse I felt that you Drummy thought the same but were acting against me.

I was almost apoplectic on the other side of the screen

[OrangeRKN]

It was interesting to note you repeatedly called for or, at least mentioned, role calls - with the high number of roles in the game I think that's the tactic the setup is most imbalanced towards in favour of the town, but also one I've never really seen done on here and so I gambled a little on more roles being more fun for people. You even mentioned earlier I think how few regular MPs are left, meaning a role claim could be pretty decisive - with the way the early game has gone with 7 MPs dead on the trot that has certainly made me worry about the potential imbalance!

Interesting that you think making the game open i.e. all roles known was a bad move for the town though - presumably you would have wanted a mass role claim followed by passing that law to then verify after everyone has been made to claim?

I'll certainly be revisiting the topic of balance in my post game restrospective anyway. Things have certainly tipped much more towards the town now PMs are allowed, which is always something I have been against, but I saw that as inevitable if the law were to pass.

[Kezzer]

Interesting that you think making the game open i.e. all roles known was a bad move for the town though - presumably you would have wanted a mass role claim followed by passing that law to then verify after everyone has been made to claim?

Yeah that was the plan, and I knew that once the info was out then more people would be able to hide behind it.

If only I could have been as succinct as yourself

[Herdanos]

No need to apologise Kez, it's only a game

[Drumstick]

Getting wolf vibes from OB.

Normally, following the Skarjo revelation, he'd be all "Death to Skarjo, wolf scum", instead he's chosen to ignore that and made a generic "wolf scum" statement.

[Drumstick]

Kez can you explain why you were so anti-SSA? I might have half a chance of understanding it in this thread.

I do think you went about your role quite poorly, even if you didn't agree with the SSA you should have either kept quiet or just chucked a vote on for the optics, since it was getting passed no matter what you did.

I don't mean any offence by this or by anything I might have said in the game.

-Speaker Emeritus

Edit: good to see Skarjo confirm Roonmastor as innocent.

I combed his post history but other than the Roon post he's done a decent job of being around, contributing nothing and not leaving any clues.

[Super Dragon 64]

I was also against the SSA because it would give the Conformists information about the roles so that they could try to hide behind them. Skarjo trying to claim Occultist now is exactly the kind of thing that he couldn't do without SSA as only the Occultist knows that this role exists in the game. Of course, Skarjo could have made up the role to create a similar smokescreen but the point is that he would still have to convince everyone that the role actually exists.

Did the game players agree that Herbi should submit the IPA today? I was thinking yesterday that there was no vote on the proposed law so I thought that they forgot about it and FIA is a random choice but now I think that the expectation was for IPA to be submitted. I wonder if Herbi forgot to submit the proposal or he's a Conformist.

It's strange that Mommy wasn't assassinated by the Conformists. I thought that Herbi would be the victim as the most likely confirmed role but Mommy was in touch with the seer. Given that neither died, perhaps the Conformists are hoping that they will be seen as suspicious and one of them lynched today.

[Drumstick]

I didn't think we should like Skarjo anyway and now I'm 100% convinced we go for SillySprout instead.

If Skarjo is lying: Occultist, you can wait until tomorrow now, then we might need you to role claim.

Oblo isn't silly and knows the odds here. There's a 6/7 chance Skarjo is a bad guy but instead he's "100% convinced" that a random shot in the dark accusation against SillySprout is better.

OK then.

-Speaker Emeritus

[Super Dragon 64]

I didn't think we should like Skarjo anyway and now I'm 100% convinced we go for SillySprout instead.

If Skarjo is lying: Occultist, you can wait until tomorrow now, then we might need you to role claim.

Oblo isn't silly and knows the odds here. There's a 6/7 chance Skarjo is a bad guy but instead he's "100% convinced" that a random shot in the dark accusation against SillySprout is better.

OK then.

-Speaker Emeritus

Agreed, there's definitely something fishy about this.

I saw this in the thread as well but isn't it a 7/8 chance? 7 Conformists plus 1 Occultist could show up as aligned to the Conformists.

[Drumstick]

I was also against the SSA because it would give the Conformists information about the roles so that they could try to hide behind them. Skarjo trying to claim Occultist now is exactly the kind of thing that he couldn't do without SSA as only the Occultist knows that this role exists in the game. Of course, Skarjo could have made up the role to create a similar smokescreen but the point is that he would still have to convince everyone that the role actually exists.

I didn't like the SSA itself - it benefited the wolves moreso than us - but it gave us access to the IPA and PCA which were worth the trade off.

Even with Skarjo's role claim - which I don't believe, by the way, he is smart enough to know that it'd have been much better to role claim at the very start, or indeed before he was outed - everyone should have the sense to know that the odds are in the town's favour when lynching him.

Did the game players agree that Herbi should submit the IPA today? I was thinking yesterday that there was no vote on the proposed law so I thought that they forgot about it and FIA is a random choice but now I think that the expectation was for IPA to be submitted. I wonder if Herbi forgot of of he's a Conformist.

No, Herbi has simply selected something he wanted without consulting anyone.

-Speaker Emeritus

[Drumstick]

I didn't think we should like Skarjo anyway and now I'm 100% convinced we go for SillySprout instead.

If Skarjo is lying: Occultist, you can wait until tomorrow now, then we might need you to role claim.

Oblo isn't silly and knows the odds here. There's a 6/7 chance Skarjo is a bad guy but instead he's "100% convinced" that a random shot in the dark accusation against SillySprout is better.

OK then.

-Speaker Emeritus

Agreed, there's definitely something fishy about this.

I saw this in the thread as well but isn't it a 7/8 chance? 7 Conformists plus 1 Occultist could show up as aligned to the Conformists.

Possibly. Either way, very high likelihood Skarjo is a baddun.

Is the third-party killing role not his own entity, i.e. not a Conformist? I think that's where I got 6/7 from.

-Speaker Emeritus

[Balladeer]

It's 6/7 because the Godfather (or whatever it's called in this game) seers clean.

THIS IS WHY YOU CLAIM OCCULTIST AT THE START

[Drumstick]

I knew there was a reason I liked you, Balla. You can do math.

-Speaker Emeritus

[Drumstick]

Oh I didn't see Sprout had also been seered as a wolf.

-Speaker Emeritus

[Drumstick]

State Secrets Act
The number, names and descriptions of all roles in play will be published.

It appears quite likely that this will pass and be of benefit to us. Before I add my support, are there any risks which we need to discuss? It seems like it's going to be quite essential for us to know what we are up against. I can't see much of a risk to us other than revealing the same detail to the conformists, which is something we can't really avoid.

If you were unsure about voting for it today why did you support the motion to bring it to the floor yesterday...

I probably had something to do with the seering of the Sprout.

-Speaker Emeritus

[Balladeer]

SillySprout is pinging me horribly. Just enough no-matter activity to stay above the 'inactive' line.

[Tomous]

Are they not close to breaking the who's online rule at the moment?

[Balladeer]

Are they not close to breaking the who's online rule at the moment?

Nah, they never were. That's what I mean: just enough activity.

Also I know CK made a role claim that at this stage is heavily unlikely to be false but has he just gone and brought forward another useless act again!?