Marvel’s Spider-Man | PS4/PS5 (Remastered) Out now | PC August 12th

Apparently if you buy the PS4 version of Miles Morales, you get a free upgrade.

If you want the remastered version of Spiderman, you’ll need to pay £20 for the upgrade to “Ultimate edition” which includes that.

If you own the original on PS4, tough gooseberry fool. Buy the Miles Morales Ultimate Edition.

Just as well it’s only £20. If it was £50 or more, I would have told Sony to do one, and wait for it to be in the sales.

Wedgie wrote:Apparently if you buy the PS4 version of Miles Morales, you get a free upgrade.

If you want the remastered version of Spiderman, you’ll need to pay £20 for the upgrade to “Ultimate edition” which includes that.

If you own the original on PS4, tough gooseberry fool. Buy the Miles Morales Ultimate Edition.

Just as well it’s only £20. If it was £50 or more, I would have told Sony to do one, and wait for it to be in the sales.

At the moment you can get the Miles Ultimate Edition on TheGameCollection for £64.95, makes the remaster £15 then which isn’t too bad.

Insomniac seem to have put a lot of effort into this remaster not just increased resolution/framerate, hopefully they will show us it soon.

Not bad, but I’ve preordered the digital console.

Will be hitting CDKeys for cheap PSN codes.

Wedgie wrote:Not bad, but I’ve preordered the digital console.

Will be hitting CDKeys for cheap PSN codes.

Ahh bugger

ITSMILNER wrote:At the moment you can get the Miles Ultimate Edition on TheGameCollection for £64.95, makes the remaster £15 then which isn’t too bad.

Should be free.

Still need to play the DLC on PS4. Think I'll buy that and Miles Morales when it comes out.

Photek wrote:

ITSMILNER wrote:At the moment you can get the Miles Ultimate Edition on TheGameCollection for £64.95, makes the remaster £15 then which isn’t too bad.

Should be free.

I can see both sides of the argument really, it does look bad when other teams are releasing Next Gen patches for free but if this really has had a ton of extra work done to it then I can see why they might charge.

However, if they try to pull the same stunt with TLoU2 and GoT then it really is a problem.

ITSMILNER wrote:

Photek wrote:

ITSMILNER wrote:At the moment you can get the Miles Ultimate Edition on TheGameCollection for £64.95, makes the remaster £15 then which isn’t too bad.

Should be free.

I can see both sides of the argument really, it does look bad when other teams are releasing Next Gen patches for free but if this really has had a ton of extra work done to it then I can see why they might charge.

However, if they try to pull the same stunt with TLoU2 and GoT then it really is a problem.

I'd be stunned if the PS5 Spidey has more work put into it than Cyberpunk, The Witcher 3 and Gears 5 to name 3 off the top of my head, all free upgrades with improved framerates, textures and lighting.

I think this will be more in line with AC Valhalla, better framerate and a few bells and whistles, but AC Valhalla's upgrade is also free. I'm surprised how much of a free pass this is getting, especially after the criticism of Control.

Photek wrote:

ITSMILNER wrote:

Photek wrote:

ITSMILNER wrote:At the moment you can get the Miles Ultimate Edition on TheGameCollection for £64.95, makes the remaster £15 then which isn’t too bad.

Should be free.

I can see both sides of the argument really, it does look bad when other teams are releasing Next Gen patches for free but if this really has had a ton of extra work done to it then I can see why they might charge.

However, if they try to pull the same stunt with TLoU2 and GoT then it really is a problem.

I'd be stunned if the PS5 Spidey has more work put into it than Cyberpunk, The Witcher 3 and Gears 5 to name 3 off the top of my head, all free upgrades with improved framerates, textures and lighting.

I think this will be more in line with AC Valhalla, better framerate and a few bells and whistles, but AC Valhalla's upgrade is also free. I'm surprised how much of a free pass this is getting, especially after the criticism of Control.

Insomniac are saying they are basically bringing it to PS5 standards with Raytracing, use of the Dualsense, more pedestrians/vehicles and better draw distances etc.... but until we see it in action (and digital foundry have a proper look) it’s all up in the air.

You are right though in that Xbox and Smart Delivery does show this up more. If Sony take this approach with future first party PS4 games as well it will be an utter piss take.

It's just Hubris, MS would do the same if they sold as many. Ray tracing is hitting The Witcher 3 and Gears 5 for free too. Sony's back compat messaging is really murky and unclear, and that's only going by IGN's beyond podcast, they don't seem to know what's going on, how games work etc.

Spider man MM upgrades free to PS5 SM MM but the original game will run on PS5 but with no upgrades, and if you do upgrade it's €20, but, is it? if you buy Spiderman MM ultimate you get main game 'remastered' but it's not sold on it's own, and saves don't carry...?

EDIT: It's important to note that Gears 5 was released on Xbox and PC so it had the 'scalability' kind of built in from the start, same with Forza Horizon 4 and Sea of Thieves, all getting free upgrades, that 'should' be easier to implement.

It’s a weird situation and the fact they were not upfront about it and been dancing around the questions makes it worse than it needed to be.

I’m guessing the reason the saves don’t carry over is because they are treating this as a new SKU? As opposed to the same game patched. It’s very murky and until we see what is going to happen with recent releases like TLoU 2 or GoT no one will really get an idea what is going on with Sony’s backwards compatibility viewpoint.

ITSMILNER wrote: I’m guessing the reason the saves don’t carry over is because they are treating this as a new SKU?

This must be the case, but that brings up the question of why is it.

I don't mind this being a paid upgrade. It seems like they're doing enough work to it to justify charging, and it has the DLC included too alongside the upgrades.

Not quite like Control where there is no upgrade path at all, just buy new version or f**k you.

The problem is that there isn't an option to pay for it separately. Either through digital purchase, physical purchase, or digital upgrade from the original PS4 version. The minimum price you have to pay to get the PS5 version of Spider-Man 2018 is £70. This is not a £20 remaster, not a £20 upgrade, it's part of a £70 pack that can't be bought separately. It doesn't need to be this way, and hopefully they'll change this before launch.

But even then, this has happened with generations and games before- Look at CoD Infinate special edition having MW remastered on there, or Medal of Honour having the PS2 one on there as part of an ultimate version- the same happened with a Battlefield game too I believe.

One of the primary games offered up as an example of how Sony should handle this is Gears 5. But this ignores key differences between Gears 5 and Spider-Man:

- Gears 5 came out more recently
- Gears 5 is on PC so a lot of the work for the upgrade has been done already
- Gears 5 is on Game Pass so offering a free upgrade enhances the value of Game Pass
- Gears 5 is GaaS. Keeping current players playing after the next-gen transition benefits Microsoft monetarily
- Gears 5 features microtransactions that sell bundles of 'Iron' costing as much as £90

There are very few examples of games that came out before 2020 that are getting substantial, free next-gen upgrades except for GaaS.

The Witcher 3 is a genuine example that deserves a lot of praise.

The vast majority of examples are more like Gears 5/Avengers etc - there is an obvious monetary reason why they are offering the free upgrade that doesn't exist with Spider-Man. That doesn't mean that it's not pro-consumer to offer that free upgrade, but it has to be taken in the context of all the decidedly not pro-consumer or straight up anti-consumer stuff that GaaS do. I like the idea of smart delivery/upgrade that MS are doing- and im assuming there will be upgrades to existing PS4 games when you put the disc in a PS5 although its up in the air- so who knows! In this instance though, i genuinely cant think of any others than The Witcher 3.

MrKirov wrote:One of the primary games offered up as an example of how Sony should handle this is Gears 5. But this ignores key differences between Gears 5 and Spider-Man:

- Gears 5 came out more recently Just 1 year
- Gears 5 is on PC so a lot of the work for the upgrade has been done already - True
- Gears 5 is on Game Pass so offering a free upgrade enhances the value of Game Pass
- Gears 5 is GaaS. Keeping current players playing after the next-gen transition benefits Microsoft monetarily
- Gears 5 features microtransactions that sell bundles of 'Iron' costing as much as £90

There are very few examples of games that came out before 2020 that are getting substantial, free next-gen upgrades except for GaaS.

The Witcher 3 is a genuine example that deserves a lot of praise.

The vast majority of examples are more like Gears 5/Avengers etc - there is an obvious monetary reason why they are offering the free upgrade that doesn't exist with Spider-Man. That doesn't mean that it's not pro-consumer to offer that free upgrade, but it has to be taken in the context of all the decidedly not pro-consumer or straight up anti-consumer stuff that GaaS do. I like the idea of smart delivery/upgrade that MS are doing- and im assuming there will be upgrades to existing PS4 games when you put the disc in a PS5 although its up in the air- so who knows! In this instance though, i genuinely cant think of any others than The Witcher 3.

I don't know if you can argue the GaaS stuff tbh. You could argue just as much that they could just run on Next gen with no upgrades. Are Elder Scrolls Online , PSO 2, is FF 14 getting next gen upgrades? I don't believe so. The argument that Gears 5 is getting a substantial upgrade just because it has MP is bit thin imo but if you're happy to hand wave away Forza Horizon and Sea of thieves under the same GaaS banner to justify this then whatever works for you I suppose.

Also why are you assuming there will be upgrades to existing PS4 games on PS5? Surely Sony would have mentioned it by now if there was.

Shame you have to pay to get the upgraded Spider-Man, hopefully this port is a real graphical and technical upgrade from the PS4 version.
Cause aparently this new version of Spider-Man will use the same Peter Paker character model from the inevitable Spider-Man 2.

Photek wrote:

MrKirov wrote:One of the primary games offered up as an example of how Sony should handle this is Gears 5. But this ignores key differences between Gears 5 and Spider-Man:

- Gears 5 came out more recently Just 1 year
- Gears 5 is on PC so a lot of the work for the upgrade has been done already - True
- Gears 5 is on Game Pass so offering a free upgrade enhances the value of Game Pass
- Gears 5 is GaaS. Keeping current players playing after the next-gen transition benefits Microsoft monetarily
- Gears 5 features microtransactions that sell bundles of 'Iron' costing as much as £90

There are very few examples of games that came out before 2020 that are getting substantial, free next-gen upgrades except for GaaS.

The Witcher 3 is a genuine example that deserves a lot of praise.

The vast majority of examples are more like Gears 5/Avengers etc - there is an obvious monetary reason why they are offering the free upgrade that doesn't exist with Spider-Man. That doesn't mean that it's not pro-consumer to offer that free upgrade, but it has to be taken in the context of all the decidedly not pro-consumer or straight up anti-consumer stuff that GaaS do. I like the idea of smart delivery/upgrade that MS are doing- and im assuming there will be upgrades to existing PS4 games when you put the disc in a PS5 although its up in the air- so who knows! In this instance though, i genuinely cant think of any others than The Witcher 3.

I don't know if you can argue the GaaS stuff tbh. You could argue just as much that they could just run on Next gen with no upgrades. Are Elder Scrolls Online , PSO 2, is FF 14 getting next gen upgrades? I don't believe so. The argument that Gears 5 is getting a substantial upgrade just because it has MP is bit thin imo but if you're happy to hand wave away Forza Horizon and Sea of thieves under the same GaaS banner to justify this then whatever works for you I suppose.

Also why are you assuming there will be upgrades to existing PS4 games on PS5? Surely Sony would have mentioned it by now if there was.

Im not hand waving anything, im agreeing theres a problem with not being able to purchase it separately at the very least.

But the fact is that most titles getting free upgrades- at least the ones released in 2020 have heavily monetised/large install bases/microtransactions/GaaS elements to them. It makes sense for existing users to transfer as it doesnt stop the revenue stream. Doesnt Forza/Sea of Thieves have a fair bit of microtransactions in them? I believe most MS stuff does, however unintrusive they may or may not be- lets also not forget that the smart delivery is a big part of MS marketing campaign for first party titles- doesnt mean it would/should apply to Sony/Third Parties.

For instance, Avengers indeed could be just a Xbox/PS4 game running on Series X/PS5- but GaaS tend to have long legs, theyd be stupid not to give people the free versions on the new console as it only benefits the shelf life and investment of those already in their ecosystem, and lessens the likelyhood of them jumping onto the next bigger shiner GaaS that comes along. Lets not forget that alot of the titles mentioned are recent and were aware of next gen specs whilst being made- but in the case of older titles, significant rework has to be done- hence why I dont expect older titles to be free- unless they have monetisation hooks in them.

FF14/Elder Scrolls etc NOT doing it (yet), doesnt mean the trend is wrong, look at most of the titles with free upgrades, they do fall into the catagories above. Also, FF14 had free upgrades from PC/PS3 to PS4 for free, so theres history and basis there, and wouldnt surprise me if that happened again for PS5.

The only real outlier I can see where a free upgrade is taking place that isnt 2020 or GaaS/Microtransaction/install base heavy is The Witcher 3. And massive props to them for doing it, Id imagine theres alot of work involved for doing it- but that seems to be an exception to the rule, and to be fair CDProjektRed seem to always be very pro-consumer so it doesnt surprise me.

But do I expect other 2015-2020 titles to suddenly be offered free upgrades? No, I dont. Did you expect all the of the hundreds of HD remasters for games to be free because you owned them? Did you get the remake of Bayonetta and Vanquish for free because you owned them on 360? I dont see how its different myself.

Is an upgrade for Spiderman 2018 welcome? Yes.
Would it be vastly more pro consumer and a selling point for PS5 if it were free for existing owners? Yes.
But would I expect it for free? No.

Where was this argument when TLOU remastered was released on PS4? Most seems to pay for it happily enough- the only difference now is because some are doing it for free, everyone thinks they all should be- but looking at the trends of the free ones, they do have GaaS/Monetisation aspects to them, and are late 2019/2020 games.

Control is a different issue, because the only option available to you is buying a new copy of the game- even though its not even a different SKU, and the lies they spouted around not being able to do it. No smaller price, no upgrade path- nothing. Spiderman is a different yet slightly similar issue- because you do have the smaller upgrade price (£15-20 extra) but ONLY by buying the UE of SM:MM- they should just be releasing it digitally for all to buy.

Call Of Duty Cold War isnt giving free upgrades either if I recall. If you buy the PS4 or Xbox One version you DONT get the next gen version for free? Buy you can buy more expensive versions that include both gens? Spiderman is similar to this I guess- but I dont see the uproar about that.

Anyone who gives me a free upgrade, to an older game for free- I salute you! But I dont expect it.

My issue here is the inability to be able to just buy it digitally- you HAVE to buy the UE edition of SM:MM, which might well be a pain in the ass to get, or have limited print runs- forcing people to spend the extra now rather than being able to buy at their leisure (Also see The Mario 3D collection for a similar MUST BUY IT NOW mentality)

My assumption of PS5 upgrades is not a FULL upgrade, just minor improvements to loading times whilst running off the SSD, maybe increased frame rates on uncapped titles. That kind of thing. Im sure something was mentioned about that in Cernys talk about the 100 top PS5 games or something- but I might be off the mark. Theyve been quiet on the whole bloody thing mostly.

But again, ive no chips in this race- Im buying it all, so im not bothered- just calling it how I see it.

PS4 digital version now up for preorder. Out on 12/11, the date of PS5 launch in the US.

£49.99.

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That’s just for Miles? I think they said no saves carry over for the remastered Spidey game.