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by LewisD » Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:26 am

Seen the new movie?

Bang your thoughts and opinions in here, to save someone accidentally reading Spoilers in the other thread.

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by Edd » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:13 pm

Why were both Lightsabers blue at the end and not blue and green??

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by JChalmers » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:20 pm

Edd wrote:Why were both Lightsabers blue at the end and not blue and green??


I wondered that. Didn't make any sense especially when they made a point that she had both Luke and Leia's sabres....

Also what was Finn wanting to tell Rey? They made it a big part of the film and unless I fell alseep, I'm pretty sure they didn't say what it was?

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Denster » Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:24 pm

Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter?

strawberry float right off. That's strawberry floating ridiculous.

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:28 pm

Bethlehemster wrote:Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter?

strawberry float right off. That's strawberry floating ridiculous.


My wife spoiled that for me this morning. Incensed, on many levels.

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:09 pm

Just back from the cinema. Can’t decide if it was good or not. Some parts were great, others felt disappointing.

I have no problem with Rey being Palpatine’s granddaughter. She was always going to be related to someone surely.

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:10 pm

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Edd wrote:Why were both Lightsabers blue at the end and not blue and green??


I wondered that. Didn't make any sense especially when they made a point that she had both Luke and Leia's sabres....

Also what was Finn wanting to tell Rey? They made it a big part of the film and unless I fell alseep, I'm pretty sure they didn't say what it was?


I was confused about Finn as well.

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by Edd » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:23 pm

I thought overall it was good, there's a lot you can find fault with it given the slightest thought but nevermind. Really could have done with a second film in the trilogy though to actually set some of the stuff up beforehand, strange choice to skip on doing that.

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Rawrgna » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:35 pm

I think it was alright but suffered from having to pull Palpatine out as the big bad without all the pieces being there to fully explain it

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Wedgie » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:40 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
JChristmas wrote:
Edd wrote:Why were both Lightsabers blue at the end and not blue and green??


I wondered that. Didn't make any sense especially when they made a point that she had both Luke and Leia's sabres....

Also what was Finn wanting to tell Rey? They made it a big part of the film and unless I fell alseep, I'm pretty sure they didn't say what it was?


I was confused about Finn as well.


I was waiting for that payoff and all I get is strawberry float ALL.

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by Wedgie » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:41 pm

Rawrgna wrote:I think it was alright but suffered from having to pull Palpatine out as the big bad without all the pieces being there to fully explain it

Same I was annoyed that it was in the start roll up text. :lol:

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by Wedgie » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:16 pm

Also Chewie’s breakdown when he heard that Leia died was truly heartbreaking. My eyes was brimming. Also he got his medal at the end, thanks to the wee alien squinty eyes.

Also I was surprised when Han Solo turned up in a vision. Didn’t think Harrison Ford would agree to come back.

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by Hexx » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:46 pm

Wedgie wrote:
Rawrgna wrote:I think it was alright but suffered from having to pull Palpatine out as the big bad without all the pieces being there to fully explain it

Same I was annoyed that it was in the start roll up text. :lol:


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by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:49 pm

What’s annoyed me though as discussed previously is the clear lack of forward planning. Palpatine should have been at least mentioned or rumoured of in at least one of the previous episodes.

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Godzilla » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:09 pm

Did anyone else think loads of shots were taken from other films?

Small boat Vs huge wave, San Andreas

Drop off building when you know flying ship is there to save you , back to the future 2

hand behind head to reveal weapon , die hard

I hated it. Also how bad did the effects and camera work look when she did the X and walked towards him.

Also.... Tiny alien, let's make him sound foreign for comedy effect. And let's have loads of headscarf wearing Indian/Asian aliens doing a random tribal dance. Was Michael Bay guest director for a bit?

Also, the editing was terrible, loads of stuff cut out like Finn's reveal of his love for Rey (an obvious side plot)

They listened to the fanboys and pretty much removed Rose. Considering the abuse she took for her role it's really unfair to cut her down to a couple of lines.

Also....why show all the ships arriving in the trailer. Ruins one of the few ok moments.

Knights of Ren might as well be storm troopers for their combat ability.

And finally, the dig at the last jedi director. When Rey throws the lightsaber and Luke says "a weapon like this should be treated with more respect" oh so strawberry floating classy. Grow up JJ. At least the last jedi had an original idea. And the forced cuteness in the porgs actually worked. Getting a droid to say sorry a few times isn't character building.

So anyway. I wasn't a fan.

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:53 pm

I strawberry floating loved it so much :msgreen:

Hoping to see it again asap :wub:

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by Tafdolphin » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:56 pm

I have strawberry floating thoughts:

- The two constants throughout the film were lack of reactions/tell don't show/bad editing, and its inability to commit to any of its plot points. Examples:

- We're told the Emperor has threatened the galaxy. We never see this threat outside the opening scrawl, which itself usurps TLJ as the film this movie is a sequel to. The escape from the desert planet? Not seen, we simply jump cut away. The Falcon disappears and reappears in the narrative with little to no warning. Things happening and the film blowing past them without a second thought happens multiple times...the editing is so utterly, bafflingly terrible I have no idea what the hell happened.
- Oh no, Chewie's dead! No he's not. Oh no, 3PO is dead! No he's not. Oh no, Poe's ex is dead. No she's not. Oh no, Kylo's dead! No he's not (twice). Oh no, Rey's dead. No she's not.

Secondly, the plot, macro and micro, makes zero sense. Like, zero. This is why I'd put RoTS above RoS because at least that film had a throughline:

- JJ in TFA: "What if the Death Star but bigger!" JJ in RoS: "What if 10 000 Death Stars?!?!" Genuinely, staggeringly laughable.
- 3PO can't translate the Sith runes. Can he not just strawberry floating point to where the Sith marker is on a map?
- Finn launches a ground assault on an unshielded Star Destroyer (this is specifically mentioned multiple times) to destroy a spindly, exposed antenna we see multiple X-wings do flybys of
- Rose gets less screentime than JJ's mates Dominic Monaghan and Cop Guy From Heroes. I felt so incredibly sorry for Kelly Tran: after all the abuse she received she's reduced to a bit part.
- Mary-Sue is a terrible lens through which to view characters but Rey once again becomes a monster plot machine capable of doing anything and everything. For eg, she'd never seen an ocean before TFA, here she's a master sailor.
- Maz is reduced from an ass-kicking bad-ass into a stationary exposition machine
- Leia strawberry floating kills herself?! And then Maz refers to her as a Princess? No, she's a strawberry floating General. The disrespect shown to both Leia's character and Carrie Fisher was, quite honestly, mindboggling.
- "Rey I've something to tell you..." Never returned to.
- If none of the Star Destroyers had broken atmosphere, what happened to the one that destroyed Kimiji? Is it still out there? Because a fully shielded, planet destroying ship with no leadership is...a problem. Never mentioned.
-"Watch out, there's Walkers!" Sounds like a lead in to a scene of them avoiding walkers! Nope, we never see a walker, except in the distance while Poe talks to a character we don't know or care about.
- For all the people bemoaning TLJ's humour there are far more terribly made jokes here than in TLJ. None of them, besides D-O, hit.
- None of the characters have arcs. None of them grow. Apart from Ben I suppose, who's reversion to the Light was as bad as Anakin's turn to the Dark in RoTS
- The Emperor surviving is never explained. The word clones is mentioned once (and utterly bizarrely referred to as a 'skill only the Dark side has.' Unlike, you know, in the prequels where it's a commonly practiced industry?) but we get nothing else.
- The Emperor turned into GlaDOS. Unintentionally amusing.
- The whole Palpatine Rey thig is strawberry floating embarrassing. In fact the whole thing feels like a first draft.

I could go on.

I came out of TFA back in 2015 beaming from ear to ear. I came out of RoS in 2019 shaking my head in utter disbelief and disappointment.

strawberry floating heartbreaking.

EDIT: Denster, I read the leaks. They are better than the finished product (the intro is better in the leaked plot outline, and the whole child abduction narrative has been excised from the final film for some reason)

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Red » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:58 pm

I thought it was on par with the other two, which I can enjoy if I don't think about it too much. The ever increasing threats, which have absolutely zero sense of jeopardy most of the time, and are really poorly set up, are ridiculous, and the world just doesn't seem to make sense on a basic level, but it's pretty and zappy and punchy and I have so much love for the originals that I can still find these entertaining.

They won't see much rewatch from me though I don't think.

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Cheeky Devlin » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:35 am

Utter nonsense. Enjoyable enough, but utter nonsense.

It did fix some of the issues I had with TLJ but had more than enough of it's own.

Still digesting so I'll post more tomorrow.

Edit: I will say that other than the fact I'm not quite as down on it, I do actually agree with a decent chunk of Taf's criticisms. More or less on the same page for most of his list. Makes a change after TLJ. :lol:

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PostRe: **Spoilers** Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Discussion thread **Spoilers**
by Edd » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:41 am

Near the start when the Knights of Ren walk past a couple of Stormtroopers, one of the Stormtroopers points them out as the Knights, does the other one then say 'Goals!' or did I mishear it?

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