The Star Wars Thread - *NO SPOILERS*

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by Gemini73 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:21 pm

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Denster wrote:This thread is hilarious. Some of the nitpicking that goes on.
Mind blowing.
It’s Star Wars - who gives a strawberry float.

This, so much this, I swear people just can't just enjoy stuff, it's like the thread of Go 8 bit and how the top gear thread used to be, it has to be super serious and 100% accurate nothing can be fun or entertaining.


If this is true, why did fans of the original trilogy give the prequels so much vitriol? They were Star Wars, who gives a gooseberry fool?

Obviously some of the prequel's flaws were quite evident but there was a hell of a lot of nitpicking too (see some of the stuff in those Red Letter Media reviews).

We had the same sort of arguments when people dared to find fault in some of Game of Thrones' more recent episodes. If people think there's a downturn in quality or noticeable differences, they should be allowed to say instead of just being told to enjoy it.


People can have issues, my problem is the over the top reaction to something that doesn't matter, there are issues but it isn't enough to have the outright "OMG THIS IS A DISGRACE" that I get the feeling some people hold because porgs exist or bombs fell in space.

It isn't that you shouldn't give a but I think some need to give less of a gooseberry fool about it. For me it isn't just Star Wars there seems to be an inherent thing with some people that stuff can't just be fun, the Go 8 Bit thing is a key example, after every episode there is the same bitching that "DAY AINT EVIN PRO GAMERZ" and such, how the strawberry float cares it is funny tv for entertainment it isn't a documentary or something to pick the best game or gamer. Some people need to lighten up a little and just enjoy stuff as the silly thing it is because getting all worked up solves and proves nothing. Its like they thing they are better and are looking down anyone that likes whatever the entertaining thing is as a sheeple simpleton and they should be more enlightened and hate everything that is serious and refined.


So how about not enjoying something all that much because, well, you simply didn't enjoy it all that much? That's not aimed directly at you mate, more the whole "you must like this or else!" attitude that I see and hear about on a regular basis - particularly around the bigger movie franchises.

I watched TLJ a few days back and outside of a few good moments I wasn't all that enamoured by it. No one reason in particular, I just didn't think it was a very good movie overall.

Sure people will unnecessarily nit-pick something like SW just to have a pop, but equally annoying is SW fans getting all pissy because someone else just didn't like the latest film or TV series. It's all very well stating "It's Star Wars, just enjoy it!", but sometimes people just don't like stuff, even if they may have enjoyed what preceeded it.

Point in case, I've a few "friends" who are completely wrapped up in the MCU. Me? I'm not interested. I have watched some of the movies, even enjoyed a few, very much so, however it's not a priority and my not wanting to go and watch Infinity War has got said friends knickers in a right twist, even though they know I'm not big into the whole MCU thing as they are. It's like I've committed some cardinal sin by not having watched a single Marvel film, (or DC for that matter), since I took my eldest daughter to see Guardians of the Galaxy 2 last April.

It's just a super hero movie. Who gives a strawberry float?

Well my Marvel loving friends do, obviously, and that's great. Doesn't mean I have to like it, or even watch the latest installment just because I enjoyed a few of the previous outings. Same with these new Star Wars movies.


Sorry it wasn't mean to come over as you have to like it, if you just don't gel with it then fair play.

My issue is when people nitpick on stuff almost for the sake of it using what are pretty trivial thing or things blatantly obvious from before you even start as a reason why it sucks.

In the case of TLJ people using the knife in the fight scene as a "THIS JUST SHOWS THE MOVIE IS TRASH" when in reality unless you have no life and watch it frame by frame you won't notice and it just doesn't matter.

Same with go 8 bit, it was and will always be a casual gaming themed entertainment show it has never trying or claimed to be otherwise so shouting how each celeb isn't a big gamer is ridiculous because that's like shouting at a circle for not being a square. You can not like the shoe because you don't like and you would rather they did something else but why shout about each section complaining that it is doing something it said I would do all along.

I guess my point is people need to take things a little less seriously, if you don't like something then fine everyone isn't going to like everything and it is stupid to think they will, but if you have to nitpick about daft little things to convince yourself it was gooseberry fool then really you need to grow up.


This is the "CinemaSins" style of criticism that seems to be most popular online. Basically, jsut nitpick and nitpick until youve finally made enough nitpicks to prove a movie is UTTER TRASH. Its straight up the lowest common denominator of film criticism


Sounds like the basis of Rotten Tomatoes whole review process which would explain why they hate everything.

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by DarkRula » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:09 pm

And that's why CinemaWins is the better channel for actual criticism. Right..?

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by Kriken » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:59 pm

Gemini73 wrote:Sounds like the basis of Rotten Tomatoes whole review process which would explain why they hate everything.


For a start, Rotten Tomatoes aren't reviewers. They just pull together print and online reviews and show the percentage of which reviews were positive. They throw in a couple of lines themselves but only to describe the critical consensus.

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by Gemini73 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:42 pm

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Gemini73 wrote:Sounds like the basis of Rotten Tomatoes whole review process which would explain why they hate everything.


For a start, Rotten Tomatoes aren't reviewers. They just pull together print and online reviews and show the percentage of which reviews were positive. They throw in a couple of lines themselves but only to describe the critical consensus.


Is that so? Interesting. I've looked at some of the scores for films on RT and my jaw has literally hit the floor on more than one occasion.

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by Ad7 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:34 pm

Literally hit the floor? We're you in gecko's bed or something

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by mcjihge2 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:11 pm

I think it would be really cool if the Solo movie ends with Chewie telling Han about a job transporting a couple of passengers on Tatooine.

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by Gemini73 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:31 pm

Ad7 wrote:Literally hit the floor? We're you in gecko's bed or something


Oh crap, I did the literally thing didn't I? :oops:

Im blaming yesterdays hang over.

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:49 am

mcjihge2 wrote:I think it would be really cool if the Solo movie ends with Chewie telling Han about a job transporting a couple of passengers on Tatooine.


Maybe Chewie gets a comm signal, the encryption code for which dates back to the days of the Clone Wars, so he tells Han to divert to Tattooine, despite the bounty on Hans head.

Sadly, it's not gonna go down like that. This film is set a good few years, maybe a decade or so, before ANH.

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by Poser » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:41 am

mcjihge2 wrote:I think it would be really cool if the Solo movie ends with Chewie telling Han about a job transporting a couple of passengers on Tatooine.


My impression was always that Kenobi just rustled Han and Chewie up at Mos Eisley and that they didn't know anything about it in advance.

But... in keeping with the way Rogue One ended, it would be very cool if the film ended up with them at least heading to Tattoine. I like the idea that all the spin-off films might work in that way. I'm sure lots of people would disagree.

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by DarkRula » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:45 am

There's no connection between the two events. As has been said, the film is set way before Han is the best smuggler around. Maybe he does get sent to Tatooine to see Jabba, as the people he's working with say Jabba's looking for people, but it definitely won't directly connect the way Rogue One did.
Beside, if rumours are true there's still another two films after this one is released about Solo.

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by OrangeRKN » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:06 am

I don't particularly want any nods to the other films, I'd rather the film just stood alone on its own merit. I don't need to feel privy to an in-joke or reference to a different movie I've seen in order to enjoy the film - and if I do, that's not a great indication of the film's quality.

Also Rogue One's ending tying directly into the start of ANH didn't really make sense unless you accept something happening between the two.

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:18 am

OrangeRakoon wrote:Also Rogue One's ending tying directly into the start of ANH didn't really make sense unless you accept something happening between the two.


What? :lol: Nothing happened between the end of R1 and the start of ANH - the films are set minutes apart.

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by Tafdolphin » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:21 am

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OrangeRakoon wrote:Also Rogue One's ending tying directly into the start of ANH didn't really make sense unless you accept something happening between the two.


What? :lol: Nothing happened between the end of R1 and the start of ANH - the films are set minutes apart.


He's perhaps talking about the odd inconsistency in the way the Death Star data made its way to Leia: in ANH it's specifically said the plans were broadcast to her ship. In R1 they're physically taken aboard on a disc.

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:23 am

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OrangeRakoon wrote:Also Rogue One's ending tying directly into the start of ANH didn't really make sense unless you accept something happening between the two.


What? :lol: Nothing happened between the end of R1 and the start of ANH - the films are set minutes apart.


He's perhaps talking about the odd inconsistency in the way the Death Star data made its way to Leia: in ANH it's specifically said the plans were broadcast to her ship. In R1 they're physically taken aboard on a disc.


Perhaps, in the confusion of the Battle of Scarif, that particular detail got mixed up? It happens.

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by OrangeRKN » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:23 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:
OrangeRakoon wrote:Also Rogue One's ending tying directly into the start of ANH didn't really make sense unless you accept something happening between the two.


What? :lol: Nothing happened between the end of R1 and the start of ANH - the films are set minutes apart.


> Imperials in direct pursuit of a rebel ship that is fleeing from a huge battle where they blatantly and openly stole plans for the death star
> On boarding Leia tries to claim they are on a diplomatic mission

That's one hell of a poor excuse

My head canon is that they hyperspace away so that when the imperials catch up they can at least try to plausibly deny involvement

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:29 am

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OrangeRakoon wrote:Also Rogue One's ending tying directly into the start of ANH didn't really make sense unless you accept something happening between the two.


What? :lol: Nothing happened between the end of R1 and the start of ANH - the films are set minutes apart.


> Imperials in direct pursuit of a rebel ship that is fleeing from a huge battle where they blatantly and openly stole plans for the death star
> On boarding Leia tries to claim they are on a diplomatic mission

That's one hell of a poor excuse

My head canon is that they hyperspace away so that when the imperials catch up they can at least try to plausibly deny involvement


My thinking has always been that we don't know how much time took place between the end of rogue one and the start of A New Hope. As Orange says the Tantive IV jumped to hyper space. It could only have been a few minutes before they were caught by Vader but it could also have been hours, days or weeks i supposed. I assume Leia claiming that they were on a diplomatic mission was probably because she was on board and is a princess and attempting to deny any involvement in any conflict. She's doesn't know that Vader knew she was at Scarif for example.

But for me it doesn't matter. I'm not really fussed how long a gap there was between the ending of a rogue one and the start of a new hope. It was i assume a very small amount of time as Leia was still in possession of the death start plans and hadn't sent them elsewhere yet.

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:33 am

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OrangeRakoon wrote:Also Rogue One's ending tying directly into the start of ANH didn't really make sense unless you accept something happening between the two.


What? :lol: Nothing happened between the end of R1 and the start of ANH - the films are set minutes apart.


> Imperials in direct pursuit of a rebel ship that is fleeing from a huge battle where they blatantly and openly stole plans for the death star
> On boarding Leia tries to claim they are on a diplomatic mission

That's one hell of a poor excuse

My head canon is that they hyperspace away so that when the imperials catch up they can at least try to plausibly deny involvement


Every excuse is a poor excuse when Vader is after you. Just remember that in order to get to that excuse, there was first a big firefight in space and aboard the Tantive IV. What kind of diplomatic mission fires on an Imperial Star Destroyer, or mows down a wave of Stormtroopers? :lol: Everyone on that ship knew they'd reached the end of the line when those Stormtroopers boarded.

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by OrangeRKN » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:41 am

It was self defence m8

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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:50 am

It was a running battle, a continuation of what went down at Scarif.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:57 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:It was a running battle, a continuation of what went down at Scarif.


I've always thought that her diplomatic excuse was that she turned up at Scarif because she heard a big commotion and thought, 'what the hell is going on' So she went to one of the rebel ships and was like 'guys just chill, what you attacking the imperial fleet for?' they then said 'Us? it's self defence but we are strawberry floated, take this' and threw them some shiny disc. Leia thought strawberry float this i can't mediate here and left quickly hoping that no one saw her. Sometime shortly after Leia realised that she had become an accessory to theft and knew that her only hope was to try to hide behind diplomatic immunity.

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