Star Wars: Obi-Wan Kenobi | Limited Series, finale out now on Disney+.

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by speedboatchase » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:12 pm

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captain red dog wrote:The only problem with the Reva bit is that it felt pointless as we knew Luke, Owen and Beru were in no danger. I know that's the same for the Vader fight, but episode 3 had already proved you can do a great segment whilst the viewer knows the ending. I think it would have been more effective to somehow wrap up Reva's role in the previous episode. But it's a minor gripe.

If they do a season 2, I think it's time to use some of this deep fake tech as best they can, and go for a whole series in flashback to the Clone Wars whilst Obi Wan gets training from Qui Gon in the present. There is a lot of stuff they can mine from the Clone Wars era which won't mess Canon up and it's time we actually saw some of it in live action.


Training for what though? Losing on purpose to inspire Luke?


I realise you're being flippant but presumably the primary function of Qui Gon''s training would be to teach Obi-wan how to do the transition to Force ghost thing upon dying.

I do wonder about how much of this show was constructed around the script that was written for the proposed Obi-wan movie that we didn't get. The thinness of the material in episodes 2 through 5 suggests to me that what we did get would have been greatly improved with a much shorter running time.


I understand but they surely couldn't have a season 2 premise that relies on Qui Gon training.

Good point about the middle of the series, which seems to be a common issue I've seen among reviews. Unfortunately, so long as streamers aren't measuring success by 'minutes watched', there is every incentive to pad out stories longer than is necessary.

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by Memento Mori » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:30 pm

Yeah it was the first time in a while I thought a 6 episode season was too long. If you'd told me they'd wanted to do an Obi-Wan film and pivoted to a show after Solo bombed, I wouldn't be surprised.

Episode 6 was fine again and like the show overall 6/10. It's like the television equivalent of Cadbury's chocolate.

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by Mafro » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:40 pm

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Parksey wrote:Yeah, I've said before that inserting load sof extra stories often cheapens characters and their development in existing content.

It makes their existing story less like the defining moment in their lives, and instead their story reads like a fan-made Wikipedia page, with a character having about a dozen adventures of a lifetime.

Like I said, I think this series worked best when it focused on the character development and conflict within Obi Wan and Vader. If Obi Wan's exile was spent planet hopping, sneaking into imperial bases and mixing with OT characters, then that makes ANH slightly diminished.

But for me, it's far more believable and acceptable to think that Obi Wan spent his exile in torment over his regrets and the past and then eventually was able to overcome this and approach the Luke of ANH with renewed hope. Likewise, it's easy to see how Vader would be tormented by his past and events on Mustafar and how he got the point in ANH where he is basically the Emperor's lap dog (but with that conflict pushed deep down to be reawakened by Luke).

I do not trust Disney to not take the easy way out though, especially if there's a season 2. I fear they'd cram it with more crazy Obi Wan adventures and more interaction with existing characters. They won't have the restraint.

What's more annoying is that the gap between the OT and Sequels desperately needs more content as it's so half baked. But the gap between the Prequels and OT has been so thoroughly mined.


No one would watch that. Whatever Lucas's flaws, there's a reason people want to fill in the gaps for what he created or hinted at in throwaway dialogue (Kessel Run). Everything between the OT and Sequels was whatever JJ Abrams wrote on a napkin and gave to Kathleen Kennedy, safe in the knowledge he would only be directing the first one :lol:

It's a shame there was plenty of good post-RotJ stuff but Disney decided to hand wave it all away :simper:

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by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:03 pm

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Parksey wrote:Yeah, I've said before that inserting load sof extra stories often cheapens characters and their development in existing content.

It makes their existing story less like the defining moment in their lives, and instead their story reads like a fan-made Wikipedia page, with a character having about a dozen adventures of a lifetime.

Like I said, I think this series worked best when it focused on the character development and conflict within Obi Wan and Vader. If Obi Wan's exile was spent planet hopping, sneaking into imperial bases and mixing with OT characters, then that makes ANH slightly diminished.

But for me, it's far more believable and acceptable to think that Obi Wan spent his exile in torment over his regrets and the past and then eventually was able to overcome this and approach the Luke of ANH with renewed hope. Likewise, it's easy to see how Vader would be tormented by his past and events on Mustafar and how he got the point in ANH where he is basically the Emperor's lap dog (but with that conflict pushed deep down to be reawakened by Luke).

I do not trust Disney to not take the easy way out though, especially if there's a season 2. I fear they'd cram it with more crazy Obi Wan adventures and more interaction with existing characters. They won't have the restraint.

What's more annoying is that the gap between the OT and Sequels desperately needs more content as it's so half baked. But the gap between the Prequels and OT has been so thoroughly mined.


No one would watch that. Whatever Lucas's flaws, there's a reason people want to fill in the gaps for what he created or hinted at in throwaway dialogue (Kessel Run). Everything between the OT and Sequels was whatever JJ Abrams wrote on a napkin and gave to Kathleen Kennedy, safe in the knowledge he would only be directing the first one :lol:

It's a shame there was plenty of good post-RotJ stuff but Disney decided to hand wave it all away :simper:


I think 90% of the Expanded Universe was after ROTJ. They could have spent decades mining it.

That said I can understand them wanting a clean slate and not having to pay a load of novel authors everytime they used someone (Timothy Zahn must be rolling in it just from Thrawn).

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by Mafro » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:15 pm

Rather than a season 2 of this I'd much rather a Vader show tbh and have Obi-Wan guest in that if needed. I think Obi-Wan's story is pretty much done and there's surely plenty of interesting Vader stuff to cover before ANH (don't give a gooseberry fool if any of those CGI shows have covered him during that period zzzzz)

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by Alvin Flummux » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:30 pm

Mafro wrote:It's a shame there was plenty of good post-RotJ stuff but Disney decided to hand wave it all away :simper:


Lucas would've done the same - the several treatments he wrote up for his Sequels retconned swathes of the old EU; two children for Luke, of the Rey and Kylo sort, Luke dying in movie 2 and 3 in different versions, Darth Maul and Darth Talon, etc.

It was always doomed.

That said, it's not as if Lucasfilm hasn't been slowly mining the gold from the rubble of the old EU for years now.

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by captain red dog » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:28 pm

I don't think anyone had a problem with the concept that Luke would die, it was just the way it was done. His entire arc after ROTJ (aside from the Mando stuff) just goes against everything that he developed from in the OT.

The problem Obi Wan ran into as a series, is similar to what the post ROTJ era will come into. We know where most of the major characters in the saga end up. So the only option is to extend out the universe and move away from the main saga. Obi Wan is boxed into a corner because of the OT, which is why I hope the proposed second series expands into another adventure only loosely connected to the Rebellion.

I think Disney have done that successfully with Mando, but very few of their new characters have succeeded in creating interest. Even if you take Mando, there isn't a single character there that has really connected with the fanbase other than Mando and baby Yoda enough to get their own series.

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by Edd » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:57 pm

Last episode was great although the whole season probably could/should have been trimmed down to like, a BBC type 3 episode, 3 hour limited series.

The look on Obi Wan's face when he sees Anakin actually got me. Amazed they resisted the high ground meme.

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by Alvin Flummux » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:00 pm

captain red dog wrote:I don't think anyone had a problem with the concept that Luke would die, it was just the way it was done. His entire arc after ROTJ (aside from the Mando stuff) just goes against everything that he developed from in the OT.


It follows the classical hero's journey into late life. While that can take any one of a few different forms, depending on who you read, the old hero trapped by despair needing to be saved by the young protagonist is up there - and it's an arc Lucas himself was probably going to use, going by concept art and interviews we've had since.

It doesn't go against the OT Luke, it develops him. He's not going to stay the same perfect good boy his entire life - he has flaws, he strawberry floats things up, and he becomes disillusioned with himself, his capacity to do good, the power and utility of his legend, and the entire concept of the Jedi (whose teachings he followed pretty dogmatically) as a result.

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by Zilnad » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:16 pm

Mafro wrote:Rather than a season 2 of this I'd much rather a Vader show tbh and have Obi-Wan guest in that if needed. I think Obi-Wan's story is pretty much done and there's surely plenty of interesting Vader stuff to cover before ANH (don't give a gooseberry fool if any of those CGI shows have covered him during that period zzzzz)


I'd like a Vader show set immediately after RotS so we can see Anakin really take on the Vader personality.

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by Jenuall » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:39 pm

We can't have the whole TLJ Luke character arc debate all over again, please!

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by Robbo-92 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:33 pm

Zilnad wrote:
Mafro wrote:Rather than a season 2 of this I'd much rather a Vader show tbh and have Obi-Wan guest in that if needed. I think Obi-Wan's story is pretty much done and there's surely plenty of interesting Vader stuff to cover before ANH (don't give a gooseberry fool if any of those CGI shows have covered him during that period zzzzz)


I'd like a Vader show set immediately after RotS so we can see Anakin really take on the Vader personality.


I can definitely see that, we’d see Vader eradicating a lot of the remaining Jedi, finding young, force sensitive people to become his Inquisitors. We could see how the empire dominate systems into joining the empire to, see them crushing out the rebellion before it can get going (until it does in Rebels of course).

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by Alvin Flummux » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:36 pm

Charles Soule's Vader comics from 2017-2018 cover the immediate aftermath of RotS. It's a great series. Order of precedence says that a TV series could be made that overrides that comic series (Movies > TV > Books > Comics > Games), but it's so recent that I don't think that'll happen.

Then again, though, the Mandalorian retconned Cobb Vanth's whole Aftermath book side story, so, who knows, it might end up happening anyway.

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by Denster » Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:49 am

Yeah we've got the other threads for the sequels. Leave that gooseberry fool where it belongs.
I'd like to see a vader series. Set before or after this one. I love how the Emperor basically reboots him again. Just like when Padme dies.

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by Red » Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:05 am

This is probably really obvious, but why does the third sister woman go to kill Luke? I couldn't figure out who she was trying to get at there - Kenobi? Why? Also how did she get there so quickly and how was she walking about fine?

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:39 am

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This is probably really obvious, but why does the third sister woman go to kill Luke? I couldn't figure out who she was trying to get at there - Kenobi? Why? Also how did she get there so quickly and how was she walking about fine?


The messed up holo message Reva found on Jabiim made it apparent to her that Luke was in some way significant to Obi-Wan and Vader, and she wanted to hurt them both. Repeating what Vader did during Order 66, as a show of strength. Maybe in the belief that, if she could, she would become as powerful as him?

Hyperspace gets characters to places as quickly or as slowly as the story requires. In-universe, faster travel usually indicates closer proximity, or the presence of a more or less direct route, like an established hyperspace lane or trade route.

As for seeming to be fine, a combination of using her pain to fuel her rage, the need for revenge driving her on, and probably some Bacta treatments or something en route.

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by Red » Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:50 am

Fair enough. It seemed super sudden when they were all still on that other ship getting blasted at, as if no time had passed at all.

I couldn't really figure out her end game. I didn't really enjoy her character, she was a bit Power Rangers villain for most of it - incompetent and hammy.

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by Lex-Man » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:26 pm

My issue with the prequel trilogy is that it wipes out the possibility of seeing the Republic trying get back on its feet after RotJ. Maybe seeing something about the rise of the first order would be cool. It could be part of the Mandalorian.

I quite liked Obi Wan. Definitely had its ups and downs though. I find it a bit odd that Obi Wan has wasted two opportunities to kill Vadar now.

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by RetroCora » Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:49 am

I enjoyed OBK in the end, the finale was a lot of fun. It could’ve probably been a condensed movie, but I really don’t mind what they did with it here.

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by Lex-Man » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:45 pm

RetroCora wrote:I enjoyed OBK in the end, the finale was a lot of fun. It could’ve probably been a condensed movie, but I really don’t mind what they did with it here.


It could be condensed into a movie. I'm worried you'd have lost the whole enemy sympathiser stuff though.

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