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[Tomous]

Pod racers is the one thing they should they should salvage from the prequels. That an Ewan McGregor if they do an Obi Wan Kenobi film.

[Alvin Flummux]

I thought it was pod racers then saw the horses, I guess they want to stay the hell away from anything in 1 2 and 3

This time maybe, but supposedly, Episode IX will have a big throwback to the Clone Wars/prequel era. Supposedly. Could be pod racers!

Or one or more of these may happen:

The First Order, under Supreme Leader Ben Kesnoki, will raise a new Clone Army, ideally using Boba Fett as the template. Cue the inevitable Fett movie.
The Resistance will do the clone thing instead, or will move to secure an old droid foundry to bolster their non-existent ranks.
The Resistance will salvage some old Republic capital ships, escorts and fighters. ARC-170s vs TIE Fighters! Jedi Starfighter vs TIE Silencer!

That an Ewan McGregor if they do an Obi Wan Kenobi film.

[aayl1]

Star wars thoughts:


Overall: liked the major plot points and where the story left us, however getting there was a bit rubbish and it was full of plot holes. 


First Order just feels bumbling and useless and thus they lose all threat as antagonists. You're okay to just mindlessly follow these rebel ships for 18 hours without thinking of another plan? You can't call in faster ships to get them? Why not jump one out to lightspeed but then back again closer to the rebel ships? You don't even suspect they might try to evacuate in cloaked pods? Don't you have life scanners like in the first scene of episode 4?


Also they don't really clear up what the stakes are here. Are the first order ruling the galaxy now? Why are they so evil? What the strawberry float is snoke's motivation? We never really see them do anything evil other than blow up the government in episode 7 but that's exactly what the rebels did in the original trilogy! 


The exposition choices just ruined the world building. Like the leader of the military asking why they can't hit the rebels. You mean you're in charge of the entire strawberry floating army and you don't know the capabilities of of your enemy's ships?

And: "That's a battering ram cannon"

"what's one of those?" 

"Erm... Take a strawberry floating guess from the name. Also you've been in the rebel alliance for how long and you've never heard of them?" 


Continuity wasn't really followed and deus ex machinas were all over the shop. Rose saves Finn and they crash right next to the first order army. Then they aren't apprehended and Finn manages to drag her all the way back through the strawberry floating massive laser barrage on HoloLuke. Also when the big star destroyer was cut in half it miraculously knocks all the storm troopers away from Finn and Rose without hurting them. 


Also it was super annoying how no one acknowledged the fact that Finn and Poe strawberry floated the entire alliance! If they'd only listened to purple hair woman and followed their orders the cloaked escape pod plan would have worked! 


Anyway, liked the big plot decisions but I still feel no emotion for the rebels, and the only sympathetic character to me is Kylo. Hope the next one is good. 


5/10, 2 stars

[aayl1]

Also : "let's kill everyone except the dead actress"

Just have Carrie do the suicide run! Would give us some cool Poe + Purple Hair scenes in the next one!

[aayl1]

Also also, the more I think about it, the more I feel HoloLuke was pointless. If you were going to kill off Luke have him die in person, a la Obi Want and Vader. It'd be much more poignant a scene. The reveal that he was a force hologram just felt like a twist for the sake of it, with him dying afterwards.

[Alvin Flummux]

He was going nowhere though, as evidenced by his sunken X-Wing and not going on the Falcon.

I had hoped he or Rey might raise it from the deeps, but I guess not.

[Frank]

I thought the shot of the sunken X-Wing was setting up a Luke-manages-to-finally-impress-Yoda-and-lift-his-X-wing-with-his-mind scene too

[Alvin Flummux]

BB-9e Sphero Droid get.

I don't think Luke could've made his intentions any clearer when he grumpily announced, "I came to this island to die!"

[aayl1]

BB-9e Sphero Droid get.

I don't think Luke could've made his intentions any clearer when he grumpily announced, "I came to this island to die!"

Ah yes, just like when Han Solo grumpily announced he doesn't care about a stupid rebellion or a princess, only money. Because motivations and desires for a character deffo can't change. :p

[7256930752]

A lot of the people in here sound like they are hopelessly defending this film, rather much in the same way I'll defend Phantom Menace until my dying days!

I’m still not sure if I liked The Last Jedi or not. I’m not the biggest Star Wars fan though so I’m not fussed if it was good or bad.

I just find some of the hate for it amusing. Luke’s personality changed over the 30 years since we last saw him? How outrageous that somebody at 60 might be different to how they were at 30.

I think it's more than that, the entire reason from him going from how he was in the original series to how he was in this film just didn't make sense.

He wouldn't kill Vader in ROTJ despite his crimes and genocide, but wanted to murder Kylo, his own nephew, practically a child, because he had bad thoughts. I can get over them making him grumpy, but turning him into a complete coward and refusing to defend billions of lives is completely removed from the character.

I think the major problem with Star Wars at the moment is that nobody has a long term plan for the story. I think JJ Abrams could potentially rectify things when he returns for the finale, but the problem with JJ is that he has extremely bad form finding a suitable ending for his films.

Exactly this. I don't really know how I've wound up talking about this so passionately as it didn't annoy me that much .

DML's post is how I think I will wind up on this film. I'm looking forward to watching it again now but might need to arrange some Botox for the prankster Poe, "reach out" and the Rose love speech scenes again. No amount of official Star Wars commendiums can explain away that gooseberry fool.

[7256930752]

BB-9e Sphero Droid get.

I don't think Luke could've made his intentions any clearer when he grumpily announced, "I came to this island to die!"

Ah yes, just like when Han Solo grumpily announced he doesn't care about a stupid rebellion or a princess, only money. Because motivations and desires for a character deffo can't change. :p

We've already agreed that they can't

[Johnny Jalfrezi]

Just watched it for the second time and absolutely loved it. After my first viewing (on day of release) I was very unsure as to how I felt about the film as it really didn't go how I thought it would....

However....

There is nothing in this film that bothers me. Nothing at all. I think anyone that picks holes in the plot is overly-prescious about it and ignorant of what has come before in ALL of the previous movies. They are fantasy films that make up their own lore and science, so who am I to say that the latest film is 'wrong'? It's coherent, consistent, and looks the absolute nuts. As a standalone movie it's a 7/10 and as a Star Wars film it's 10/10. I'm 42 and could probably recite the entire script of the first 3 films, so that's the caveat, but that goes both ways. If I wanted to, I could moan about how each subsequent movie has shat on the memory of the film that came before it, but it's not my story to tell. The Last Jedi is not the film that I wanted, but because of that, not despite it, it excels for me. And if you take the last 45 minutes in isolation, well, I genuinely think it's up there with the best scenes ever captured on film.

Oh, and my 9-year old son said it was better than all of the other Star Wars films.

He's an antagonistic little git, but honestly, he might have a point.

[Qikz]

I don't think Luke left the map. I think he looked at it and split it in two so nobody would find the jedi spawn location or him so the jedi would die.

[aayl1]

Do you mind if I ask a quick question:

How does everyone feel about the fact that Finn and Poe caused the destruction of the entire rebellion by disobeying orders, but this was never mentioned?

[aayl1]

I feel like that's different though? A calculated bluff that works out in the end, and Finn redeems himself in Chewie's eyes.

This one lead to the death of an entire army...

[Alvin Flummux]

They were paddling up gooseberry fool creek with a quickly disintegrating paddle, were they not?

[aayl1]

They were paddling up gooseberry fool creek with a quickly disintegrating paddle, were they not?

Not at all! The Jurassic Park Lady commander had a plan that would have worked if Poe had followed orders and not gone rogue. The empire only discovered the cloaked escape pods because Finn got caught on the Star Destroyer.

Before you lambasted tje commander for not sharing her plan, why should she? Rose told us people were deserting the Resistance, so the plan may have leaked. Also, she didn't know Poe, and he'd just been demoted for not following orders!

[Errkal]

They were paddling up gooseberry fool creek with a quickly disintegrating paddle, were they not?

Not at all! The Jurassic Park Lady commander had a plan that would have worked if Poe had followed orders and not gone rogue. The empire only discovered the cloaked escape pods because Finn got caught on the Star Destroyer.

Before you lambasted tje commander for not sharing her plan, why should she? Rose told us people were deserting the Resistance, so the plan may have leaked. Also, she didn't know Poe, and he'd just been demoted for not following orders!

She had a plan but she didn't say a bloody thing.

She knew he was a bit of a pushy gut but did nothing to calm him, she was outright rude about him being a "fly boy" and I disliked her the whole film.

He went and did what he did because she was from what we saw just flying then along a bit as the fuel ran out and at the last second had a bit of a revealed but even then not fully.

Had she been open with him and everyone it wouldn't have played out like it did.

Yeah he shouldn't have disobaged the orders but he didn't really have much other option than sit about and hope for the best which isn't his or really the rebels style.

[7256930752]

They were paddling up gooseberry fool creek with a quickly disintegrating paddle, were they not?

Not at all! The Jurassic Park Lady commander had a plan that would have worked if Poe had followed orders and not gone rogue. The empire only discovered the cloaked escape pods because Finn got caught on the Star Destroyer.

Before you lambasted tje commander for not sharing her plan, why should she? Rose told us people were deserting the Resistance, so the plan may have leaked. Also, she didn't know Poe, and he'd just been demoted for not following orders!

She had a plan but she didn't say a bloody thing.

She knew he was a bit of a pushy gut but did nothing to calm him, she was outright rude about him being a "fly boy" and I disliked her the whole film.

He went and did what he did because she was from what we saw just flying then along a bit as the fuel ran out and at the last second had a bit of a revealed but even then not fully.

Had she been open with him and everyone it wouldn't have played out like it did.

Yeah he shouldn't have disobaged the orders but he didn't really have much other option than sit about and hope for the best which isn't his or really the rebels style.

It would have worked if they'd abandoned the stupid hyperspace tracker stuff and had a mole on the ship.

[Errkal]

Thing is if they had a tracker could they not have just found the tracker on their ship and strawberry floated it there without a sucide run into the baddy ship.