Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Dig Dug » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:44 pm

I've picked up the pace with this game again but I'm feeling really mixed about it. Quickplay mode is an easy way to find matches but it often embodies everything I hate about playing smash bros. It'll take time to get used to but I'm still really not liking how weak defence is in this game.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Jezo » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:59 pm

How weak defense is? So far Ultimate still seems to favour run away tactics and projectiles. Combo game still too weak and approaching is very difficult. Parrying is only effective defensively and offers nothing offensively which I think is where the game mostly goes wrong.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Corazon de Leon » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:21 am

Just on the subject of ending battles quickly on WoL - my general tactic is to play as Falcon, Little Mac or someone else with good speed and power, use a spirit that starts the battle giant and just waste anyone who comes at me. Using that tactic I was able to end most battles within about ten seconds. Mac in particular is strawberry floating fantastic - two big punches and most characters have been skied.

On a related note, are there any ways to find Spirit battles you've missed in WoL? I'm 99.67% complete and that means there are something like two battles that I've missed somewhere along the line, but I can't find them. Not sure if the single final battles against the light and dark things count towards the percentage.

Finally - what's everyone's hardest battle in WoL? Mine was for The Boss, vs. Zero Suit Samus. Took me a few tries, before I hit upon the tactic of using Lucina, throwing her off the side and edge guarding with counter until she strawberry floated up a recovery. :oops:

Pauline was a pain in the arse as well. Had to Ganondorf that one.

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I'm interested - not very good Falcon player.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Pedz » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:43 am

Frank wrote:
mic wrote:Can’t World of Light be played 2 player co-op? :-?


Not that I've seen. Bit disappointing after Subspace Emissary, really. You can play through the Classic Mode in co-op, though, and that's arguably more enjoyable than the WoL spirit brawls.

Finished Simon's Classic Mode earlier: Why is Dracula's head the only bit that takes damage? :slol: Are his clothes just filled up with bats?


Guessing you've not played the original Castlevania?

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Dig Dug » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:15 am

Jezo wrote:How weak defense is? So far Ultimate still seems to favour run away tactics and projectiles. Combo game still too weak and approaching is very difficult. Parrying is only effective defensively and offers nothing offensively which I think is where the game mostly goes wrong.

Defence and runaway aren't the same thing, one plays the game by engaging the opponents approaches and retorting, the other chooses not to engage directly.
I'm talking about the former. Why is my grab game oos near useless? Why is my only option out of shield either a fast aerial or a fast dash attack? Why do I get framed trapped by my opponent pressing the same button on block just because I didn't parry? That's what is weak in this game. Parry beats everything on paper, but so does parrying in street fighter III and blocking is still good in that.
I do agree that this game needs more hit stun though.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Frank » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:45 am

Pedz wrote:
Frank wrote:
mic wrote:Can’t World of Light be played 2 player co-op? :-?


Not that I've seen. Bit disappointing after Subspace Emissary, really. You can play through the Classic Mode in co-op, though, and that's arguably more enjoyable than the WoL spirit brawls.

Finished Simon's Classic Mode earlier: Why is Dracula's head the only bit that takes damage? :slol: Are his clothes just filled up with bats?


Guessing you've not played the original Castlevania?


Can't stand them. Played the N64 one for a bit and whatever version they did on the GBA. Do they ever explain why he's bats all the way down, or is it just "lol this boss needs a weak spot lets make him invincible unless you hit him in the face"

Also, playing through World of Light, do you get the same spirits in that mode as you get turning up on the spirit board? I'm sure I've won the same spirits twice before, which makes playing the spirit board a bit redundant (apart from the Event spirits), doesn't it?

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Corazon de Leon » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:38 am

No because there are only about 600 spirits in the world of light campaign, and just under 1300 overall. The majority of spirits will come from the board.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Frank » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:42 am

Yeah, I thought there wouldn't be the whole number in the world of light, but in that case, why duplicate them? Have 600 in the world of light and 700 on the spirit board.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Banjo » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:58 am

Also, some of them aren't obtained through either. Some can only be gotten through the item shops in WoL, and others only through Summoning, I believe.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Balladeer » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:27 am

Word of advice for anyone still playing through WoL: when you get to the second part (you’ll know what I mean when you hit it), go up first. It’s by far the worst area, and if not done first will sap your interest in the entire mode.

Quick question about the final section in the mode: if I just go through all the Spirits, as I would normally, will things balance out?

Corazon de Leon wrote:Finally - what's everyone's hardest battle in WoL? Mine was for The Boss, vs. Zero Suit Samus. Took me a few tries, before I hit upon the tactic of using Lucina, throwing her off the side and edge guarding with counter until she strawberry floated up a recovery. :oops:

Pauline was a pain in the arse as well. Had to Ganondorf that one.


Far and away those two and Dr. Wily. It doesn’t help that you come across them all relatively early-game, when your own Spirits and skill tree are still pretty weak. Think I could obliterate them all now, I beat most Legends on my first try these days.

First one, like you, I cheaped out: Villager, net drop off the edge, chuck bowling balls at until dead. Second one I can’t remember, I think it was Bowser and some lucky deaths. Third one I Franklin Badged to victory. Tough bastards all.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Jezo » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:45 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Jezo wrote:I'll be streaming again tomorrow at 7pm if you guys want some games.


I'm interested - not very good Falcon player.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Zartan » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:45 am

Had a few folks over on Saturday, and we were playing 5 Player smash it was superb fun. We decided to try out the Smash meter in the 2nd session and it was bedlam, in the best possible way. 100% how I will be playing it from now on

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Dig Dug » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:37 am

Cos I feel like it I'm going to put a bunch of tournament top 8's from the last weekend in here so people can get an idea of how diverse the game is right now. If you want to watch the tournament and not be spoiled on who won I'll do a second spoiler box with characters only. All these tournaments had 200+ entrances and covers the US, Europe and Japan.
Smash Conference United (361 entrants) (Florida)
1. MkLeo - Ike
2. Samsora - Peach
3. Salem - Link
4. MVD - Snake
5. Dabuz - olimar & Palutena
5. MuteAce - Peach
7. Morpheus - Mega Man
7. Myran - Olimar

Valhalla II (238 entrants) København, Denmark
1. Gluttony - Wario
2. Vreyvys - Ridley & Bowser
3. light - Palutena & Sheik
4. meru - Peach & Daisy
5. cyve - Inkling & Diddy
5. yetey - Pichu
7. whoophee - Richter
7. leffen - Pokemon Trainer

Sumabato SP 1 (306 entrants) (Japan)
1. Zackray - Wolf
2. Tea - Pac-Man & Young Link
3. Shogun - Snake
4. Akasa - Cloud
5. Oisiitofu - Greninja
5. Hayato. - Toon Link
7. Sigma - Toon Link
7. Repo - Megaman

SoCal Chronicles (512 entrants) (SoCal)
1. VoiD - Pichu & Wolf
2. Eon - Pichu & Fox
3. Elegant - Luigi & Villager
4. Charlie - Fox
5. Zenyou - Mario
5. Ki - Snake
7. Larry Lurr - Fox
7. Stroder - Luigi, Lucina & Greninja


Character variety only:
Smash Conference United (361 entrants) (Florida)
Snake, Ike, Mega Man, Peach, Link, Olimar, Palutena

Valhalla II (238 entrants) København, Denmark
Richter, Pokemon Trainer, Wario, Sheik, Ridley, Inkling, Bowser, Palutena, Peach, Daisy, Diddy, Pichu

Sumabato SP 1 (306 entrants) (Japan)
Pac-Man, Young Link, Toon Link, Megaman, Snake, Cloud, Greninja, Wolf

SoCal Chronicles (512 entrants) (SoCal)
Greninja, Fox, Villager, Mario, Pichu, Wolf, Snake, Lucina, Luigi

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Dannie Lennox_ » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:30 pm

So what you're saying is, we're waiting a few years until tiers start appearing. :lol:

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Jezo » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:36 pm

I don't understand how Wolf does so well given his poor recovery. A lot of his moves seem to have either long start-up or long end lag as well. He does feel quite nice in certain mus though, he has the range and power for sure.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Dig Dug » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:11 pm

Wolf’s move set is frame trap city. His f-smash is unpunishable on shield and he’s overall terrifying.
Also lasers lol.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Corazon de Leon » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:38 pm

I've been enjoying the online on this. I'm nowhere near elite level even with Falcon, my main, but I win more than I lose with him so I'm fairly happy. Had a strawberry floating nightmare with Little Mac on Sunday morning though. Lost four rapid, took me ages to rehabilitate his GSP to over a million. :lol:

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Kriken » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:17 pm

Yubel wrote:I'll be around tomorrow between 4 and 6 if that's cool. Will probably be quite static in my pool of character choices though.

I assume that was you who just added me. Up for games now if you are. Will make a make room.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by Yubel » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:23 pm

Create an arena and I'm there.

EDIT: Got absolutely battered in case anyone was curious. :shifty: Honestly, predicting how an opponent is going to react is half the battle.

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PostRe: Super Smash Bros Ultimate | Nintendo Switch
by HaruKazuhira » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:23 pm

Jezo wrote:I don't understand how Wolf does so well given his poor recovery. A lot of his moves seem to have either long start-up or long end lag as well. He does feel quite nice in certain mus though, he has the range and power for sure.


He's an effective space animal when used right. I personally love how aggressive you can be with Wolf too. Currently dabbling with a bunch of characters so I haven't put as much time into him as I'd like.

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