TCRT 6: Episode 1 - The Phantom Chatroom

Karl wrote:

Preezy wrote:

Karl wrote:

Preezy wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:The best deterrent for burglars is making them believe that they'll be caught.

More than making them believe they'll possibly get murdered in hand to hand combat?

It doesn't appear to have eliminated burglary in the States.

Far higher chance the burglar also has a lethal weapon they can use though, no?

But also a higher chance that the homeowner has a lethal weapon as well. Doesn't it balance out?

Not in the US.

Preezy wrote:Everyone knows [XXXXXXX] is illegal, and yet it still happens frequently. Threat of arrest isn't much of a deterrent. Threat of death is probably more of a deterrent. That's all I'm saying.

By that logic, pretty much every common crime should carry the death penalty.

The death penalty isn't a deterrent

Hyperion wrote:The death penalty isn't a deterrent

It does cut down reoffender rates though

Hexx wrote:

Preezy wrote:Everyone knows [XXXXXXX] is illegal, and yet it still happens frequently. Threat of arrest isn't much of a deterrent. Threat of death is probably more of a deterrent. That's all I'm saying.

By that logic, pretty much every common crime should carry the death penalty.

Finally we agree on something

Hyperion wrote:The death penalty isn't a deterrent

Of course not, and I'm opposed to the death penalty. But in cases where I'm having to defend my family, if the burglar knows they might get killed breaking into my house, that might be the difference between them breaking in or not.

Oddly I'm currently sitting in my parents kitchen as their house was broken into last night whilst they were away.

CSI has just left so trying to clean up all the dust and put stuff away before my folks come hone on Saturday.

The people who broke in have just gone through all their drawers and pulled everything out. Think they've stolen some watches and jewellery but left everything else (Tv, iPad, sonos, laptops etc)

They also didn't take any of my dad's wine and There's an £80 bottle of rioja on the sideboard which I might tell them has gone..

I don't know how people can just break into and elderly couples house and ransack the place.

like someone else said, that doesnt seem to deter burglars in the us

Preezy wrote:Of course not, and I'm opposed to the death penalty. But in cases where I'm having to defend my family, if the burglar knows they might get killed breaking into my house, that might be the difference between them breaking in or not.

Maybe.

Or it might be the difference between them coming into your home unarmed and them coming in with chainsaws.

Preezy wrote:

Hexx wrote:

Preezy wrote:Everyone knows [XXXXXXX] is illegal, and yet it still happens frequently. Threat of arrest isn't much of a deterrent. Threat of death is probably more of a deterrent. That's all I'm saying.

By that logic, pretty much every common crime should carry the death penalty.

Finally we agree on something

Hyperion wrote:The death penalty isn't a deterrent

Of course not, and I'm opposed to the death penalty. But in cases where I'm having to defend my family, if the burglar knows they might get killed breaking into my house, that might be the difference between them breaking in or not.

But they already know that. You can do whatever you like to them - it's just there might be legal consequences if you cross the line of what's reasonable.

Or do you think burglar walk in thinking "Lol. Doesn't matter if home owner sees me. They can't touch this!"

Alternatively. They might think "Good lord, it's mad dog Preezy's house. Time to break out the hunting knives before we go in there"

Moggy wrote:

Preezy wrote:Of course not, and I'm opposed to the death penalty. But in cases where I'm having to defend my family, if the burglar knows they might get killed breaking into my house, that might be the difference between them breaking in or not.

Maybe.

Or it might be the difference between them coming into your home unarmed and them coming in with chainsaws.

Yep, but chainsaws rust without proper care, and don't me started on the rising fuel costs

Hexx wrote:But they already know that. You can do whatever you like to them - it's just there might be legal consequences if you cross the line of what's reasonable.

Or do you think burglar walk in thinking "Lol. Doesn't matter if home owner sees me. They can't touch this!"

Obviously this is all hypothetical as the guy in question hasn't been charged or whatever, but let's just say there was a rise in homeowners getting sent to prison for killing or badly hurting burglars, you might start to get criminals being more brazen because they'll feel the homeowner is less likely to attack them. I don't think that's outside the realms of possibility.

Qikz wrote:Not in the US.

Yeah, sure, but Preezy's point is about a perceived threat deterring burglars. A homeowner could pull a gun on a burglar in the US, just like they could pull a big knife here -- and in the US, they have laxer laws about self-defence, so a homeowner is arguably more likely be aiming to kill you if they can. Yet, that threat hasn't deterred burglars over there.

They also have the death penalty in many states, and crime rates aren't lower in those states.

I think this is because threats of violence aren't a deterrent for criminals.

Preezy your point is hypothetical and logical, but all the evidence points against violence being a deterrent. there are a lot of reasons for that, one being that people (and criminals) often dont think that 'x' will actually happen to them, that kind of 'x' happens to everyone else.

Odds are a burglar isn't going to get caught, so it isn't so much not caring if they get caught but thinking that odds are they wont so strawberry float it go nuts.

the solution I think is to make it easier to catch the strawberry floater by doing as much as you can as an owner to ensure that "if" someone decides to break in you capture enough evidence to make it easier to catch the bastard, which is where those hive camera things and that come in.

Preezy wrote:

Hexx wrote:But they already know that. You can do whatever you like to them - it's just there might be legal consequences if you cross the line of what's reasonable.

Or do you think burglar walk in thinking "Lol. Doesn't matter if home owner sees me. They can't touch this!"

Obviously this is all hypothetical as the guy in question hasn't been charged or whatever, but let's just say there was a rise in homeowners getting sent to prison for killing or badly hurting burglars, you might start to get criminals being more brazen because they'll feel the homeowner is less likely to attack them. I don't think that's outside the realms of possibility.

A rise? Is there a trend then? Seems to be a fairly uncommon occurance that blows up every now and again...(anecdotally from right wing press when old white men go to far)

Or to flip your position: If you get rise in homeowners attacking and getting off scott free for killing intruders, do you think criminals would back off (they're burglar's by choice right?), or just better arm/protect themselves.

Karl wrote:I think this is because threats of violence aren't a deterrent for criminals.

That's also a very good point.

Not scared of prison (probably been in and out enough times to get a free half chicken). Not scared of violence.

Criminals

Preezy wrote:

Karl wrote:I think this is because threats of violence aren't a deterrent for criminals.

That's also a very good point.

Not scared of prison (probably been in and out enough times to get a free half chicken). Not scared of violence.

Criminals

Don't worry I'm sure they'll be scared of you coming at them screaming like a teenage girl

Frank wrote:I don't think he did himself any favours by going for a knife. If someone's broken in, surely it's a better idea to attack with something flat and heavy? Then if you whack 'em on the head and they die then at least you can claim you were just trying to knock them out.

From looking at it he was in the kitchen being held by one of the burglars armed with a screwdriver whilst another went upstairs, so a knife was probably what was simply to hand.

Hexx wrote:Don't worry I'm sure they'll be scared of you coming at them screaming like a teenage girl

How do you know what I sound like?

Qikz wrote:You shouldn't have the right to kill anyone ever, even if it is in your own home and they've broken in. strawberry float that noise.

In other news a screw went missing from my glasses and I can't repair it myself (no kit to do it). Currently waiting for a package to arrive so I can go into town and get them fixed. Also need to get my hair cut >_>

You also need to stop liking videos of large breasted bikini clad Japanese girls on Twitter so they don't show up in my feed when I'm scrolling it next to my wife