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"Trump impeachment evidence overwhelming - House report" - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50650216
House report - https://intelligence.house.gov/report/

When does the hearing start?
The hearing is set to resume at 3 p.m. GMT on Wednesday. House Judiciary Committee opens Public Hearings.

The first Judiciary Committee hearing on Wednesday will feature a panel of constitutional experts discussing the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" and whether Trump's conduct, as described by the Intelligence Committee and other House investigators, meets the standards set out in the Constitution.

Rules adopted by the House also permit the Intelligence Committee's counsel, along with counsel of other committees that have investigated aspects of Trump's conduct as president, to present the evidence they unearthed.

The committee’s job will be less about unearthing new bombshells and more about fitting already-known evidence into the impeachment framework envisioned by the framers of the Constitution. In other words: proving Trump’s conduct crossed the threshold of “high crimes and misdemeanors” that constitute impeachable offenses.

Where can you watch?

BBC Parliament - https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament or Freeview channel 131, Freesat channel 201, Virgin channel 612, Tiscali channel 502, Sky channel 504.



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How the hearings will go down

The Judiciary Committee hearings will follow a similar format to those of last month’s Intelligence hearings. Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler and his counsel will get the first 45 minutes to question witnesses, followed by a 45-minute round for top Republican Doug Collins and his counsel.

Nadler can call for additional rounds of up to 45 minutes, an option the Intelligence Committee occasionally used. But if he doesn’t, the second round of questioning will revert to traditional committee format: 5 minutes of questioning per lawmaker, alternating between Democrats and Republicans.

Unlike the Intelligence Committee's, the Judiciary Committee's hearings will give Trump’s White House lawyers some ability to participate in the process.

Under the rules governing impeachment hearings, the president’s counsel has the opportunity to question witnesses under guidelines and limits determined by Nadler. Similarly, if Trump’s counsel chooses to participate, he may raise objections during witness questioning, though Nadler and the Democratic-controlled committee have the final say. Trump’s lawyers also have the chance to submit additional evidence and offer a closing presentation, again subject to Nadler’s judgment.

Republicans on the committee may also call witnesses or offer evidence — including by subpoena — but only with Nadler and the full committee's approval.

How long will the hearing take?
TBD


What is impeachment anyway?
To impeach, in this context, means to bring charges in Congress that will form the basis for a trial.

The US constitution states a president "shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanours".

What is the process?
It happens in two stages. Proceedings have to be started by the House of Representatives.

A vote to impeach only needs a simple majority to pass and if it does, the process then moves to the Senate where a trial is held.


What is he accused of doing wrong?
President Trump is accused of pressuring Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky to dig up damaging information on one of his main Democrat challengers, Joe Biden, and his son Hunter.

Hunter worked for a Ukrainian company when Joe Biden was US vice-president.

Asking foreign entities for help in winning a US election is illegal.

What is the evidence?
At the heart of the story is a complaint from a whistleblower - an unnamed intelligence official - who wrote a letter expressing concern about Mr Trump's 25 July call with Mr Zelensky.

A rough transcript of the call revealed that Mr Trump had urged President Zelensky to investigate discredited allegations against Joe and Hunter Biden.

The call came shortly after Mr Trump had blocked the release of millions of dollars in US military aid to Ukraine. A senior official later testified that the president made clear the release of the aid was conditional on Mr Biden being investigated, but the White House denies this.


Who's testifying?

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Who's doing the questioning?

Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler and his counsel will get the first 45 minutes to question witnesses, followed by a 45-minute round for top Republican Doug Collins and his counsel.

Nadler can call for additional rounds of up to 45 minutes, an option the Intelligence Committee occasionally used. But if he doesn’t, the second round of questioning will revert to traditional committee format: 5 minutes of questioning per lawmaker, alternating between Democrats and Republicans.

Unlike the Intelligence Committee's, the Judiciary Committee's hearings will give Trump’s White House lawyers some ability to participate in the process.

Who's on the committee?

https://judiciary.house.gov/about/members


Are more hearings scheduled?
TBD

What next?

Once the Judiciary Committee completes its series of hearings — the number and topics of which are still yet to be announced — the panel is expected to draft the actual articles of impeachment that will be considered by the House.

The most significant question facing the panel? Whether to limit the charges to “abuse of power” based on the Ukraine probe or include “obstruction of justice” based on evidence supplied by special counsel Robert Mueller. Democrats also seem likely to charge Trump with “obstruction of Congress,” which would capture broad efforts by Trump to deny witnesses and documents to congressional investigators.

Democrats have eyed Christmas as an unofficial deadline to impeach Trump on the floor and send the articles of impeachment to the Senate, which indicates a pretty quick turnaround if the committee holds hearings into next week.

But Speaker Nancy Pelosi has publicly insisted there is no hard timetable to vote on articles, which suggests the process could spill into 2020. Any delay would raise new questions about whether Democrats should wait on the outcome of multiple court cases that could force additional witnesses to testify.


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Have other US presidents been impeached?
Bill Clinton found himself impeached on the grounds of perjury and obstruction of justice after he lied about the nature of his affair with Monica Lewinsky and then allegedly asked her to lie about it as well.

But when the trial reached the Senate in 1999, the vote for a conviction failed to get close to the two-thirds backing required.

The only other president impeached was Andrew Johnson in 1868. He was accused of, among other things, dismissing his secretary of war against the will of Congress. Mr Johnson had a narrow escape - the two-thirds majority in the Senate was missed by just one vote.

Richard Nixon, the 37th US president, resigned in 1974 before he could be impeached over the Watergate scandal.

Who would replace Trump?
The line of succession for the US government, as established by the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, would mean Vice-President Mike Pence moving into the Oval Office. If not Pence then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is 3rd in line.


I know there's a general US Poiltics thread but I think this once in a generation event deserves its own.

Previous witnesses -

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The witnesses testifying Wednesday are Bill Taylor, the Trump administration's top diplomat in Ukraine, and George Kent, deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs.

In his closed-door deposition, Taylorsaid he threatened to quit after he was told Trump was withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Ukraine because he wanted "investigations." He texted another diplomat that "it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."

Kent told investigators in his deposition that he'd raised concerns that Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani was poisoning Ukraine policy with "a campaign of lies" — and was warned to "lay low" by his boss afterward.

The two will testify together side-by-side at the witness table.

— Tuesday, Nov. 19, morning: Jennifer Williams, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence; Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Director for European Affairs at the National Security Council.

— Tuesday, Nov. 19, afternoon: Ambassador Kurt Volker, the former U.S. special envoy to Ukraine; Tim Morrison, a White House aide with the National Security Council.

— Wednesday, Nov. 20, morning: Ambassador Gordon Sondland, U.S. Ambassador to the European Union.

— Wednesday, Nov. 20, afternoon: Laura Cooper, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russian, Ukrainian, and Eurasian Affairs; David Hale, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.

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Former Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch is scheduled to testify before the same committee on Friday. It does not yet have a scheduled time, but it's expected to begin in the morning. Yovanovitch, who still works in the State Department, was ousted from her ambassadorship earlier this year because of what she testified were "unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives," a reference to the effort led by Giuliani and his associates to remove her. Yovanovitch told lawmakers she also pushed the State Department to speak up and defend her amid the attacks from Giuliani and his associates, but her requests went unanswered amid concerns about how Trump might respond, possibly by using Twitter.

Schiff said in a letter to his colleagues Tuesday that additional witnesses will be announced by the end of the week.


House Intelligence Committee hearings -

When does the hearing start?
The hearing is set to resume at 2 p.m. GMT on Thursday. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., will make an opening statement, followed by an opening statement by the ranking Republican on the committee, Rep. Devin Nunes of California, and then statements from the two witnesses. Today is Fiona Hill and David Holmes.

Where can you watch?

BBC Parliament - https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament or Freeview channel 131, Freesat channel 201, Virgin channel 612, Tiscali channel 502, Sky channel 504.



Live Blogs

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-u ... a-50399361
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... st-updates

How long will the hearing take?
TBD, but it's expected to wrap up between 7:30 and 9:30 p.m. GMT, barring any extra questioning or Republican stalling tactics.


What is impeachment anyway?
To impeach, in this context, means to bring charges in Congress that will form the basis for a trial.

The US constitution states a president "shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanours".

What is the process?
It happens in two stages. Proceedings have to be started by the House of Representatives.

A vote to impeach only needs a simple majority to pass and if it does, the process then moves to the Senate where a trial is held.


What is he accused of doing wrong?
President Trump is accused of pressuring Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky to dig up damaging information on one of his main Democrat challengers, Joe Biden, and his son Hunter.

Hunter worked for a Ukrainian company when Joe Biden was US vice-president.

Asking foreign entities for help in winning a US election is illegal.

What is the evidence?
At the heart of the story is a complaint from a whistleblower - an unnamed intelligence official - who wrote a letter expressing concern about Mr Trump's 25 July call with Mr Zelensky.

A rough transcript of the call revealed that Mr Trump had urged President Zelensky to investigate discredited allegations against Joe and Hunter Biden.

The call came shortly after Mr Trump had blocked the release of millions of dollars in US military aid to Ukraine. A senior official later testified that the president made clear the release of the aid was conditional on Mr Biden being investigated, but the White House denies this.


Who's testifying?

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David Holmes and Fiona Hill, two central witnesses to the pressure campaign in Ukraine, plan to testify publicly Thursday in the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.

Hill, a former National Security Council official, previously testified about national security adviser John Bolton's concerns about the pressure campaign.

Holmes, a State Department official in the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, overheard Trump ask U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland about “investigations” on a call.

The two are likely to shed additional light on key players and moments during the campaign to pressure Ukraine to open investigations into Trump's political rivals.

Who's doing the questioning?
Schiff and Nunes will have 45 minutes each to question witnesses in the first part of the hearing. They can also delegate the questioning to a committee lawyer instead, which Schiff has indicated he'll do.

Schiff will determine if there is a need for an additional 90 minute staff round or to move on to lawmaker questions.

Once the staff question round or rounds conclude, the format will revert to one similar to a traditional congressional hearing, with lawmakers getting five minutes each to ask questions.

Who's on the committee?
There are 13 Democrats and nine Republicans. The Democrats include Schiff, former presidential candidate Eric Swalwell of California and Joaquin Castro of Texas, the brother of presidential candidate Julián Castro. The other Democrats are Jim Himes of Connecticut, Terri Sewell of Alabama, Andre Carson of Indiana, Jackie Speier of California, Mike Quigley of Illinois, Denny Heck of Washington, Peter Welch of Vermont, Sean Patrick Maloney of New York, Val Demings of Florida and Raja Krishnamoorthi of Illinois.

On the Republican side are top Trump allies Nunes, John Ratcliffe of Texas and Jim Jordan of Ohio, who was added to the committee just last week. Also on the Republican side are Michael Turner and Brad Wenstrup of Ohio, Chris Stewart of Utah and Elise Stefanik of New York. Rounding out the roster are Mike Conaway and sometimes-Trump critic Will Hurd of Texas, both of whom have announced they are not running for re-election.


Are more hearings scheduled?



This week
In addition to the two days of public hearings scheduled for Wednesday and Friday, impeachment monitors can also expect the committee behind the probe to continue releasing this week transcripts from their closed-door depositions.

So far, the inquiry has released transcripts from:

Fiona Hill, a former White House aide
George Kent, a deputy assistant Secretary of State
Michael McKinley, former senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
Gordon Sondland, US ambassador to the European Union
Bill Taylor, a former ambassador and the top US diplomat in Ukraine
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council's top Ukraine expert
Kurt Volker, former US special envoy to Ukraine
Marie Yovanovitch, former US ambassador to Ukraine

That means, these witnesses' transcripts are still to come:

Christopher Anderson, former special adviser for Ukraine at the State Department
Laura Cooper, deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia
Catherine Croft, special adviser for Ukraine at the State Department
David Hale, US Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs
Tim Morrison, the top Russia and Europe adviser on the National Security Council
Philip Reeker, the acting assistant secretary in the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs
Jennifer Williams, senior adviser to Vice President Mike Pence


This week, November 18-22

— Thursday, Nov. 21, morning: Fiona Hill, former National Security Council senior director for Europe and Russia.

— Thursday, Nov. 21, afternoon: David Holmes, a State Department aide who overheard a phone conversation between Sondland and the president on July 26.

Also, if any of the remaining transcripts haven't been released this week, they would likely be released at this time.

The rest of November
The House is scheduled to take a recess for Thanksgiving week, giving time for the House Intelligence Committee -- which, along with House Oversight and House Foreign Affairs, are leading the impeachment inquiry -- to finish a report detailing their findings and recommendations of their investigation.

December
Following the finishing of a committee report, the House Judiciary Committee would take the lead on the impeachment push -- potentially in the first week of December. Democratic sources expect that committee to have a public hearing, possibly in that week, before it votes on articles of impeachment. That vote could occur in committee in the first or second week of December, the sources said.
If that timeline is followed that would set up a full House vote to impeach Trump on the week of December 16 -- a historic vote that could come 21 years after President Bill Clinton was impeached by the House on December 19, 1998. That would send the process over to the Senate for a trial, where Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has kept much of his plans for the GOP-led chamber a mystery.


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Have other US presidents been impeached?
Bill Clinton found himself impeached on the grounds of perjury and obstruction of justice after he lied about the nature of his affair with Monica Lewinsky and then allegedly asked her to lie about it as well.

But when the trial reached the Senate in 1999, the vote for a conviction failed to get close to the two-thirds backing required.

The only other president impeached was Andrew Johnson in 1868. He was accused of, among other things, dismissing his secretary of war against the will of Congress. Mr Johnson had a narrow escape - the two-thirds majority in the Senate was missed by just one vote.

Richard Nixon, the 37th US president, resigned in 1974 before he could be impeached over the Watergate scandal.

Who would replace Trump?
The line of succession for the US government, as established by the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, would mean Vice-President Mike Pence moving into the Oval Office. If not Pence then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is 3rd in line.


I know there's a general US Poiltics thread but I think this once in a generation event deserves its own.

Previous witnesses -

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The witnesses testifying Wednesday are Bill Taylor, the Trump administration's top diplomat in Ukraine, and George Kent, deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs.

In his closed-door deposition, Taylorsaid he threatened to quit after he was told Trump was withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Ukraine because he wanted "investigations." He texted another diplomat that "it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."

Kent told investigators in his deposition that he'd raised concerns that Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani was poisoning Ukraine policy with "a campaign of lies" — and was warned to "lay low" by his boss afterward.

The two will testify together side-by-side at the witness table.

— Tuesday, Nov. 19, morning: Jennifer Williams, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence; Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Director for European Affairs at the National Security Council.

— Tuesday, Nov. 19, afternoon: Ambassador Kurt Volker, the former U.S. special envoy to Ukraine; Tim Morrison, a White House aide with the National Security Council.

— Wednesday, Nov. 20, morning: Ambassador Gordon Sondland, U.S. Ambassador to the European Union.

— Wednesday, Nov. 20, afternoon: Laura Cooper, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russian, Ukrainian, and Eurasian Affairs; David Hale, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.

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Former Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch is scheduled to testify before the same committee on Friday. It does not yet have a scheduled time, but it's expected to begin in the morning. Yovanovitch, who still works in the State Department, was ousted from her ambassadorship earlier this year because of what she testified were "unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives," a reference to the effort led by Giuliani and his associates to remove her. Yovanovitch told lawmakers she also pushed the State Department to speak up and defend her amid the attacks from Giuliani and his associates, but her requests went unanswered amid concerns about how Trump might respond, possibly by using Twitter.

Schiff said in a letter to his colleagues Tuesday that additional witnesses will be announced by the end of the week.

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PostRe: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - starts today at 3pm
by Festivus Maximus » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:33 am

Posting in a historic thread. Great OP Monkey Man :toot:

Imagine if they finally manage to get him, just imagine :wub:

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PostRe: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - starts today at 3pm
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:51 am

This thread proves no collusion, totally exonerates the President. Many people are saying that this is the greatest President of all time. Many many people. Witch hunt!!

And now I have gotten that out of my system, let’s hope Congress strawberry floating nails him to the wall. Unfortunately though, I can’t see it happening.

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by Rudolphin » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:20 am

Can we have a separate thread for those who don't want to get political about all this #beatingadeadhorse

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by Hexx » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:22 am

It’s not going to matter. Republicans won’t impeach their guy despite the overwhelming evidence. The check and balances don’t account for partisan cuntitude

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by Harry Ellis » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:24 am

Teflon Don will escape any trouble, obviously.

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by Dual » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:25 am

Wow. No president in history has been treated this badly.

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by KK » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:27 am

Tefal Don will be fine.

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by OrangeXMS » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:33 am

The evidence appears pretty damning

Great OP also

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by Victor Mistletoe » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:35 am

Total witch hunt!

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by Saigon Slick » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:37 am

I’m assuming that’s 3pm Eastern, so 8pm here? Or is it 10am Eastern?

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by Monkey Man » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:00 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:I’m assuming that’s 3pm Eastern, so 8pm here? Or is it 10am Eastern?

It's 3pm GMT.

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by Saigon Slick » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:02 am

Oh gooseberry fool, that’s quite early for a hearing. Means I can watch it!

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:02 am

The really terrible thing about this is even if Trump was impeached (he won’t be) we just end up with Mike Pence as the leader of the free world. :fp: :lol:

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by Festivus Maximus » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:07 am

I think the best we can hope for is that Trump is impeached but resigns before it gets to the Senate, but that's very unlikely.

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by Merry Christmous Everyone » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:16 am

Moggy wrote:The really terrible thing about this is even if Trump was impeached (he won’t be) we just end up with Mike Pence as the leader of the free world. :fp: :lol:


Politically, is impeaching Trump even a good move for the Democrats?

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:19 am

Tomous wrote:
Moggy wrote:The really terrible thing about this is even if Trump was impeached (he won’t be) we just end up with Mike Pence as the leader of the free world. :fp: :lol:


Politically, is impeaching Trump even a good move for the Democrats?


Depends what comes out during the hearings.

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by Wedgie » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:32 am

You all know that Trump will come out of this a victor, and he'll launch a nuke at the democrats and cement his power as the dictator of U.S.A.

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by Victor Mistletoe » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:09 pm

Absolutely nothing will come of this.

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by Festivus Maximus » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:42 pm

Victor Mildew wrote:Absolutely nothing will come of this.

It does have a whiff of the Muellers about it :dread:


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