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Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:35 pm
by Monkey Man
Trump acquitted on second charge of impeachment
President Trump has been acquitted on the second impeachment charge, obstruction of congress, by a vote of 53 to 47.
Trump has now been acquitted in his impeachment trial, as expected. He is the third US president in history to face and survive a Senate trial.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Senate votes against Witnesses.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:36 pm
by Ironhide
Lex-Man wrote:So he'll be able to gloat on for the whole election about how he was totally innocent. Great.
It's going to be unbearable.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Senate votes against Witnesses.
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:52 pm
by Lex-Man
Ironhide wrote:Lex-Man wrote:So he'll be able to gloat on for the whole election about how he was totally innocent. Great.
It's going to be unbearable.
Even if he loses in November he's going to be unbearable.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:47 am
by shy guy 64
so blind loyalty to one's party has won the day?
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:59 am
by Hexx
shy guy 64 wrote:so blind loyalty to one's party has won the day?
As was always going to.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:05 am
by Moggy
shy guy 64 wrote:so blind loyalty to one's party has won the day?
Yes and it will always be that way. It requires 2/3rds of the Senate to remove a President and it is highly unlikely that a President would ever be removed. The Republicans and Democrats are both always likely to have more than 1/3 of the Senate and so can always block it. The only way I ever see it happening is if there was an independent President and the Republicans and Democrats worked together. So yeah, never going to happen.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:08 am
by Preezy
Totally acquits the President, thank you!
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:12 am
by Tomous
Moggy wrote:shy guy 64 wrote:so blind loyalty to one's party has won the day?
Yes and it will always be that way. It requires 2/3rds of the Senate to remove a President and it is highly unlikely that a President would ever be removed. The Republicans and Democrats are both always likely to have more than 1/3 of the Senate and so can always block it. The only way I ever see it happening is if there was an independent President and the Republicans and Democrats worked together. So yeah, never going to happen.
So, what was the point?
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:16 am
by Hexx
Tomous wrote:Moggy wrote:shy guy 64 wrote:so blind loyalty to one's party has won the day?
Yes and it will always be that way. It requires 2/3rds of the Senate to remove a President and it is highly unlikely that a President would ever be removed. The Republicans and Democrats are both always likely to have more than 1/3 of the Senate and so can always block it. The only way I ever see it happening is if there was an independent President and the Republicans and Democrats worked together. So yeah, never going to happen.
So, what was the point?
It's worked before. Nixon was looking like he'd be impeached on Bipartisan grounds (and then removed from office was again looking likely) but he resigned.
But the voter base and the republican party have changed in years.
But it gets it on record. The Dems did the right thing as per the constitution. They can try to use this in elections (Senetor etc) in upcoming months/years. Whether it works is another issue
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:19 am
by Moggy
Tomous wrote:Moggy wrote:shy guy 64 wrote:so blind loyalty to one's party has won the day?
Yes and it will always be that way. It requires 2/3rds of the Senate to remove a President and it is highly unlikely that a President would ever be removed. The Republicans and Democrats are both always likely to have more than 1/3 of the Senate and so can always block it. The only way I ever see it happening is if there was an independent President and the Republicans and Democrats worked together. So yeah, never going to happen.
So, what was the point?
Trump was still impeached and he will forever be known as an impeached President. He was guilty of wrongdoing and the Democrats pursued him for it. It failed because of a stupid system and a partisan Senate, but it was worth doing.
The alternative is to just ignore wrongdoing.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:19 am
by Hexx
The Republicans can't even agree on why they didn't vote to remove.
Some say he didn't do it.
Some say he did it, but it wasn't illegal.
Some say he did it, but it wasn't illegal to the degree to remove from office
Some say he did it, but a president should only be removed by electorate despite what constitution says
Then there's this stupid
Susin Collins: He did it, but i think Trump learned his lesson from that call
Trump's next second: Nothing was wrong with my perfect call
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:07 am
by OrangeRKN
This can forever be held up as an example of what happens when you fail to have an impartial jury, so that's something
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:20 am
by Alvin Flummux
OrangeRKN wrote:This can forever be held up as an example of what happens when you fail to have an impartial jury, so that's something
America is already riddled with examples of
that.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:52 pm
by Lex-Man
I'm guessing because a large amount of Democrats believed it was the right thing to do. Regardless of the outcome.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:07 pm
by shy guy 64
Hexx wrote:It's worked before. Nixon was looking like he'd be impeached on Bipartisan grounds (and then removed from office was again looking likely) but he resigned.
But the voter base and the republican party have changed in years.
But it gets it on record. The Dems did the right thing as per the constitution. They can try to use this in elections (Senetor etc) in upcoming months/years. Whether it works is another issue
if all the stuff from before he got elected didnt keep him out im not sure this will
Moggy wrote:Trump was still impeached and he will forever be known as an impeached President. He was guilty of wrongdoing and the Democrats pursued him for it. It failed because of a stupid system and a partisan Senate, but it was worth doing.
The alternative is to just ignore wrongdoing.
well people have been ignoring his wrong doing for years i believe
(never had so many notifications on the forum before)
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:11 pm
by Moggy
shy guy 64 wrote:well people have been ignoring his wrong doing for years i believe
Yep.
Trump has got away with plenty of stuff over his life. And most politicians in America get away with a lot.
That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been impeached though. He absolutely deserved it.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:13 pm
by Preezy
I think impeaching him was the morally right thing to do, but politically it will be very damaging for the Democrats at the ballot box, sadly.
It will now be very easy for Trump to paint the Democrats as being out to get him and failing each time - the Mueller Report was a dud, impeachment was a dud, the pee tapes are yet to surface, Stormy Daniels went away, Melania hasn't escaped yet - he's definitely getting re-elected.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:19 pm
by Hexx
Preezy wrote:the Mueller Report was a dud
Except it wasn't. It was just, effectively, suppressed by Barr and DoJ. It showed plenty.
The supporters just don't care or they'll believe the lies the liars tell them.
They just don't care as long as "the libs are owned" or the other side "loses". I've no idea how you combat such hate filled idiocy,.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:19 pm
by Moggy
Preezy wrote:I think impeaching him was the morally right thing to do, but politically it will be very damaging for the Democrats at the ballot box, sadly.
It will now be very easy for Trump to paint the Democrats as being out to get him and failing each time - the Mueller Report was a dud, impeachment was a dud, the pee tapes are yet to surface, Stormy Daniels went away, Melania hasn't escaped yet - he's definitely getting re-elected.
I have heard the argument that it will be damaging to the Democrats, but I don’t understand it.
Trump supporters/Republicans will vote for him whatever he does. Democrats will vote against him whatever he does.
The people in the middle? I just don’t see the average non-partisan American thinking “He was impeached but not convicted? That’s the guy for me!”. They will either ignore it or be put off of Trump due to the scandal.
That doesn’t mean he will not win of course, but it is much more to do with who the Democrats put up than anything to do with the impeachment. Hilary Clinton was one of the least popular Democrat nominees in history, but even she pulled in 3 million more votes than Donald. Give the nomination to the right man/woman and they have a very good chance of kicking Trump out.
Re: The Donald Trump Impeachment Hearing thread - Not Guilty on 1st charge 52-48 & 2nd charge 53-47.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:16 pm
by Alvin Flummux
Expect the election results to be contested, no matter what, this autumn. There'll be no peaceful transition.