Brexit

Properly socialist people are like vegans, if you don't agree entirely you are evil and wrong.

Errkal wrote:Properly socialist people are like vegans, if you don't agree entirely you are evil and wrong.

We had someone like that at my old work. She actually voted leave as a protest vote against who the strawberry float knows what. She was quite senior and my friend had to back off from repeatedly telling her you can't make a protest vote in a binary choice: you're just voting for the other side.

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Tineash wrote:We are definitely only about 3 months away from people talking themselves into voting Conservative because they're mad at Jeremy Corbyn over Brexit.

These people are Torys but for some reason are embarrassed to admit it. They will blame Labour and Corbyn for everything, forcing them to vote Tory when that's what they really want to do

If they vote Tory then they probably are Tories.

But you are missing the point that a lot of non-Tories just don’t like Corbyn or dislike Corbyn’s policies.

It’s easy to just write people off as closet Tories but it’s simply not true that they all are. Corbynites seem to be unable to understand that for a lot of centrist and left leaning people, Corbyn just isn’t somebody that inspires them.

You have to understand however that with Corbyn they are coming off relative electoral success. Miliband got destroyed. I can see why they would be scared to change tack.

Tafdolphin wrote:

Errkal wrote:Properly socialist people are like vegans, if you don't agree entirely you are evil and wrong.

We had someone like that at my old work. She actually voted leave as a protest vote against who the strawberry float knows what. She was quite senior and my friend had to back off from repeatedly telling her you can't make a protest vote in a binary choice: you're just voting for the other side.

Hahaga the mother in law was a bit like that, she voted brexit because "parliament never listen to us".

Errkal wrote:Properly socialist people are like vegans, if you don't agree entirely you are evil and wrong.

People have compared Corbyn supporters to a cult before. And it’s not that far fetched, any criticism of Corbyn is just not tolerated, if you criticise Corbyn then you must be a Tory! If you say that you don’t think you can vote for Labour while Corbyn is in charge, then it’s your fault if the Tories win. Anti-semitism in the Labour party is ignored or written off as either lies or as not being as bad as the racism in other parties.

It’s depressing really. We have the worst and most incompetent Tory government in living memory and we have little chance of getting rid of them as we also have one of the most useless oppositions in living memory.

There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Tineash wrote:We are definitely only about 3 months away from people talking themselves into voting Conservative because they're mad at Jeremy Corbyn over Brexit.

These people are Torys but for some reason are embarrassed to admit it. They will blame Labour and Corbyn for everything, forcing them to vote Tory when that's what they really want to do

If they vote Tory then they probably are Tories.

But you are missing the point that a lot of non-Tories just don’t like Corbyn or dislike Corbyn’s policies.

It’s easy to just write people off as closet Tories but it’s simply not true that they all are. Corbynites seem to be unable to understand that for a lot of centrist and left leaning people, Corbyn just isn’t somebody that inspires them.

I detest the whole "you don't like Corbyn then you're a closet Tory" train of thought. It's insulting.

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Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Tineash wrote:We are definitely only about 3 months away from people talking themselves into voting Conservative because they're mad at Jeremy Corbyn over Brexit.

These people are Torys but for some reason are embarrassed to admit it. They will blame Labour and Corbyn for everything, forcing them to vote Tory when that's what they really want to do

If they vote Tory then they probably are Tories.

But you are missing the point that a lot of non-Tories just don’t like Corbyn or dislike Corbyn’s policies.

It’s easy to just write people off as closet Tories but it’s simply not true that they all are. Corbynites seem to be unable to understand that for a lot of centrist and left leaning people, Corbyn just isn’t somebody that inspires them.

You have to understand however that with Corbyn they are coming off relative electoral success. Miliband got destroyed. I can see why they would be scared to change tack.

I understand it well enough thank you.

What you have to understand is that 2017 was the high point for Corbyn and he did so well because May is so bad, a competent Tory leader would have destroyed him.

I don’t expect Labour to change any time soon. Which will mean a Tory government for the foreseeable future.

Hyperion wrote:There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

“Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!”

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

“Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!”

Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

Miliband got strawberry floated not because he was the wrong political leaning but because the Tories or did an epic job of blaming the entire economic everything on Labour and the papers did a great job of thing his image with hello sandwich and whatnot.

Corbyn is a useless strawberry float who was up against may who is possibly a more useless strawberry float. They didn't do well in the last election, the Tories did catastrophically bad. However the corbynites now believe even more he is the new Jesus because they see it is a massive success.

Hyperion wrote:
Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

Nobody actual said that though.

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

“Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!”

Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

You’re doing a great job of showing it’s not cult like.

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Hyperion wrote:
Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

No body actual said that though.

But they do. Any defence of Corbyn at all is met with the view that the person is a cultist and oh how they think he's Jesus. Yes he may be gooseberry fool in elements but people see Labour as a better alternative to what this actual Conservative government is doing

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

“Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!”

Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

You’re doing a great job of showing it’s not cult like.

Keep on banging that Centrist Dad drum

Sorry, I meant in this thread.

As for Corbyn, well I've been a Labour supporter all my life, but just don't find the man agreeable. I vote more tactically now, so as to keep the Tories out and since moving I've discovered that voting Labour here is a waste of time. Voting tactically worked a treat in our recent local elections.

Gemini73 wrote:Sorry, I meant in this thread.

As for Corbyn, well I've been a Labour supporter all my life, but just don't find the man agreeable. I vote more tactically now, so as to keep the Tories out. Worked a treat in our recent local election.

Good man

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

“Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!”

Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

You’re doing a great job of showing it’s not cult like.

Keep on banging that Centrist Dad drum

Keep on enjoying the belief that Corbyn is great and it’d all work out if it wasn’t for those pesky closet Tories and centrist dads.

Heaven forbid that there might be problems with Corbyn himself, oh no it’s everyone else that is wrong.

Hyperion wrote:

Gemini73 wrote:Sorry, I meant in this thread.

As for Corbyn, well I've been a Labour supporter all my life, but just don't find the man agreeable. I vote more tactically now, so as to keep the Tories out. Worked a treat in our recent local election.

Good man

Sorry for the edit to my post above, just wanted to highlight that Labour has never been a mover in Cheltenham. It's always been a Tory/Lib-dem face off.

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:There's definitely a centrist dad cultism. Everything is someone else's fault

“Don’t like Corbyn? YOU MUST BE A CENTRIST DAD!!!!!!!”

Vote Labour? YOU MUST BE A CORBINITE CULTIST!!!!!!

You’re doing a great job of showing it’s not cult like.

Keep on banging that Centrist Dad drum

Keep on enjoying the belief that Corbyn is great and it’d all work out if it wasn’t for those pesky closet Tories and centrist dads.

Heaven forbid that there might be problems with Corbyn himself, oh no it’s everyone else that is wrong.

Corbyn has many issues, another leader may do better/may not, but our lord and saviour Ed Miliband did much worse. I know you have to be right Moggy, but people have different political opinions to you. Hence Brexit got voted for, we have a Conservative government, and nobody cares about Vince Cable