Blue Eyes wrote:BBC Five Live asking if it's now time for remainers to accept Brexit. strawberry float off is it. This ain't final yet.
Moggy wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I must say I do think that the EU may well implode in the future. It did become too big. I would have been happy with an EU containing the UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Luxembourg. Maybe Sweden and Austria. Not Spain or Italy. For the record this isn't about EU immigration, just economics. I don't have an issue a lot of the Eastern European immigration. I believe they've certainly helped our economic growth majority appear to be here to work and start a new life. But I believe their economies do not fit in with the more economically developed countries. Spain is on massively borrowed time and struggling massively, it needs to get out of the EU as well. Economically currently I don't think we needed too.
I do see your point there, even if I disagree with it. The EU should be working to improve the lives in the poorer European countries (and I think they do), not leaving them out.
Look at the difference to Ireland since it joined the EU. It went from one of the poorest places in Europe, to having a reasonable economy – so reasonable in fact that Photek might be buying a 4K TV from Northern Ireland.
All countries have the same issue though, the rich American states v the poorer ones. London v Cornwall. The answer isn’t to cut bits off or leave in some sort of race to the bottom, but to work together and try and raise everybody up.The threat though of mass immigration to the eu from Africa and the Middle East is a whole different ball game.
That has little to do with the EU though. The EU disappearing wouldn't stop migration from poorer parts of the world.
Garth wrote:Couple of leave people on BBC earlier were talking about how in the North East of England they rely more heavily on EU trade, subsidies and companies for employment, but feel their parts of the country have been under-invested in by the UK government compared to London since the financial crisis, so voted for Brexit to change that.
This begs the question, when they lose their EU subsidies (and potentially even face EU trade barriers and relocation of jobs) are they honestly expecting the government to not only keep providing that money post-Brexit but then also increase spending in those areas and take money away from London?
I just can't see it happening...I think they'll have ended up harming themselves more.
Blue Eyes wrote:BBC Five Live asking if it's now time for remainers to accept Brexit. strawberry float off is it. This ain't final yet.
Errkal wrote:Spain is much like Cornwall, it is a holiday destination with not much else. So out of season there are loads of empty holiday places and no one there as there are no holiday makers.
Hexx wrote:Garth wrote:Couple of leave people on BBC earlier were talking about how in the North East of England they rely more heavily on EU trade, subsidies and companies for employment, but feel their parts of the country have been under-invested in by the UK government compared to London since the financial crisis, so voted for Brexit to change that.
This begs the question, when they lose their EU subsidies (and potentially even face EU trade barriers and relocation of jobs) are they honestly expecting the government to not only keep providing that money post-Brexit but then also increase spending in those areas and take money away from London?
I just can't see it happening...I think they'll have ended up harming themselves more.
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:The threat though of mass immigration to the eu from Africa and the Middle East is a whole different ball game.
BID0 wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:The threat though of mass immigration to the eu from Africa and the Middle East is a whole different ball game.
Whether we are in the EU or not, that problem is still coming to bite us in the ass unless we tackle the causes now. Burying our heads in the sand by leaving the EU isn't going to make that migration go away and will just increase the problem for us, probably within the decade.
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:BID0 wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:The threat though of mass immigration to the eu from Africa and the Middle East is a whole different ball game.
Whether we are in the EU or not, that problem is still coming to bite us in the ass unless we tackle the causes now. Burying our heads in the sand by leaving the EU isn't going to make that migration go away and will just increase the problem for us, probably within the decade.
I agree we need to tackle the problem asap. The thing is most people I think who voted to leave did so because they think it will give us more control over tackling that issue. That was the main motivator not whether the EU spent money on a wine collection or wanted bananas to be more bent (or straight, can't remember which lie it was).
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Grumpy David wrote:
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DAT list. Imperial system. Smoking in pubs and restaurants.
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DAT list. Imperial system. Smoking in pubs and restaurants.
Moggy wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I must say I do think that the EU may well implode in the future. It did become too big. I would have been happy with an EU containing the UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Luxembourg. Maybe Sweden and Austria. Not Spain or Italy. For the record this isn't about EU immigration, just economics. I don't have an issue a lot of the Eastern European immigration. I believe they've certainly helped our economic growth majority appear to be here to work and start a new life. But I believe their economies do not fit in with the more economically developed countries. Spain is on massively borrowed time and struggling massively, it needs to get out of the EU as well. Economically currently I don't think we needed too.
I do see your point there, even if I disagree with it. The EU should be working to improve the lives in the poorer European countries (and I think they do), not leaving them out.
Look at the difference to Ireland since it joined the EU. It went from one of the poorest places in Europe, to having a reasonable economy – so reasonable in fact that Photek might be buying a 4K TV from Northern Ireland.
Moggy wrote:Grumpy David wrote:twitter.com/JoeTwyman/status/847017907800412160
DAT list. Imperial system. Smoking in pubs and restaurants.
